Which Darklight set?

Hi guys,

Probably a very noobish question but I'm wondering what pieces of the darklight set are best for a Dragoon? Mainly due to my ignorance of not not understanding the full weight of each stat as a Dragoon as of yet.

I've got Garuda's Beak so I will be focusing on trying to use as many good pieces as possible without worrying about keeping a set bonus for the Maelstorm gear.

Any solid recommendations on which is better out of:

Boots:
http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8081902/darklight-caligae
http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8081901/darklight-sollerets

Gloves:
http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8071503/darklight-bracers
http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8071502/darklight-gauntlets

Thank you

Either of the Feet pieces are great, darklight caligae being best of the 2. With hands however, you would be much better of melding strength to gloves for Dragoon. Out of the 2 hands however Bracers have become nearly obsolete so I would take the Darklight gauntlets before them, but I recommend strength gloves.

Thank you, what would you suggest out of:

http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8032802/darklight-cuirass
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http://www.ffxivpro.com/item/8032803/darklight-corselet

And what does Store TP do?

If your not capped on piety , I would get a piety melded body piece, I personally use a dark steel haub +1 double meld piety (which I got very lucky on my first try >.>) the +1 has a +7 piety on it so that helped.

Now, with the 2 body options you gave, I personally have seen many dragoons use the cuirass, I myself have the corselet, I like that It has more strength Some accuracy and although I don't know how much the store tp helps I liked that it had that too lol.

Seeing as how you have garudas beak, I do believe you will be able to use the cuirass and hit caps just fine. You will def need some melded str gloves.

What store tp does I'm not a hundred sure but I'm gonna take a guess and say that it reduces the amount of tp used on a weaponskill? Not sure but it's something about storing tp lol.

Lastly, if you are aiming towards a drg relic, you will not hit cap with either of those body pieces. You will need the haub or a good melded piety body piece and most likely triple melded hands.

I know you asked a specific question between which body, but I thought I'd give you that and more. Also if you could, let us know how you r on hitting caps.

Thanks

Store TP, as far as i know, just gives you the displayed amount of extra TP for each hit. So instead of... let's say 100, you get 140TP with each AA. Our monk said it would be this way, i'm quite sure that he's right, but i can't say that i know it for sure.

Between Corselet and Cuirass: Cap for STR is easy to hit, so you don't really need the +5STR from Corselet. TP is not an issue with DRG especially if you run around with throwable weapons. Acc got a lot better since recent patches so... i would go for the Cuirass.

But as Gloulion said... A double melded PIE body may be the wiser choice.

Corselet > Cuirass. the crit power, the acc and the store tp beat anything except maybe a triple melded hauby with crit power and piety lol

Corselet isn't good unless it's for an ACC build or the STR is needed/provided it outweighs a DS Haub+1. In that regard, Cuirass is really not good.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...=1#post5368330

So the combination of some extra tp, the acc, the str and the crit power when DRG crit rate is over 20% in most fights doesn't make it best there is except for a triple meld body like i said above? lol

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Single meld DS Haub+1 would be better in most situations. Barring that, a melded Rainmakers/Gryphonskin would also be fine and serve the same purpose. I don't see how we said that same thing.

You said Corselet was hard to beat, I'm saying it is easy to beat.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

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Single meld DS Haub+1 would be better in most situations. Barring that, a melded Rainmakers/Gryphonskin would also be fine and serve the same purpose. I don't see how we said that same thing.

You said Corselet was hard to beat, I'm saying it is easy to beat.

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Guess gonna have to agree to disagree because I personally not see how a body piece without crazy triple meld or so can beat corselet ^^;

What single meld are we tlaking about here? single meld PIE? single meld crit?

I do agree that DS+1 with a crit IV might be better if you do not need the accuracy and already are capping STR elsewhere, but Corselet will shines in a place like Garuda where accuracy is needed.

These days i don't even wear my corselet much, i wear crit atk power+100 body :O because DRG critrate is the shiznit

The Cuirass is better then the Corselet hands down unless you need the ACC (which you may need depending on how you build your goon). The Cuirass offers you 5 less STR which is laughable specially when you can hit your cap NP wearing a chest armor that has less then it. Also offers 10 more atk power and 20 more crit atk power then the corselet. Also, the store TP on a DRG is retarded. If you are playing your DRG properly that store TP is not going to be very beneficial if at all.

They are both great pieces though so if you can get your hands on either/or that would be great!

I finally completed my relic and i have stat cap sets(str-365/pie325) and ATK build sets, i personally have been using the cuirass/sollerets/helm with atk gloves and jerky+1 getting a solid 715 base attack w/o power surge (after food). (so I plan to do some dps testing with both sets)

for cuirass vs corselet your looking at: 15str/20atk/50crit 20str/18acc/10atk/30crit
With our accuracy penalty before it was no contest and corselet was BIS, now with 30 on gae its very easy to hit the 99.9%acc rate. I full time cuirass.

fore sure caligae > boots
meld atk/str x3> the DL gloves

I'm not seeing how the bracers are "obsolete" when you get a massive accuracy boost out of them. That frees up your ring slots for more STR instead of accuracy, while still getting a good attack boost from the gloves as well (vs really just the +STR from a 2x meld as most crafted gear has minimal base stats).


I wouldn't be so fast to judge store TP. Remember that combat is being changed drastically in ARR, with weaponskill costs being lowered to 100~150 it seems. I imagine they'll also change how store tp works to coincide with this, but if they don't - then that body is going to be 1 of the single most OP items a DRG can wear, especially combined with a Gae Bolg & possibly gloves with a 2~3x Evenflow meld.

edited out and explained below.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

I'm not seeing how the bracers are "obsolete" when you get a massive accuracy boost out of them. That frees up your ring slots for more STR instead of accuracy, while still getting a good attack boost from the gloves as well (vs really just the +STR from a 2x meld as most crafted gear has minimal base stats).


I wouldn't be so fast to judge store TP. Remember that combat is being changed drastically in ARR, with weaponskill costs being lowered to 100~150 it seems. I imagine they'll also change how store tp works to coincide with this, but if they don't - then that body is going to be 1 of the single most OP items a DRG can wear, especially combined with a Gae Bolg & possibly gloves with a 2~3x Evenflow meld.

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The only reason I see the bracers as being obsolete because you lose the str from w/e melded gloves one would have. I know you mentioned that, but I also have never needed to use acc rings besides on Darnus hard. Always had str/pie rings and melded gloves.

this info has been helpful! I wear the grid officers coat. I guess I should switch to a double meld piety body? I'm still working on double meld felt bracer +1 for my hands.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Store TP formula is based off of your DPS. So, lets say you have 40. It just adds 4% of bonus TP from what your DPS is, but it rounds up. For a dragoon with relic the corselette actually becomes more viable imo.

Also, I'd like to credit the formula to Isaaru Durai. There is a little more to it, but that is the jist

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What the hell is with all these calculations going off your DPS?

That just seems like such a stupid approach given that DPS is just your damage vs delay...

XI's coding was much simpler in that regard, with each point of STP being 1% of your TP gain (determined by weapon delay). And yeah of course if you have Gae Bolg it becomes better, that's 1 of the things I was kinda driving at - the more STP you have the better it gets (though it's not quite as OP as say haste)

It'll be interesting to see how it functions in ARR with new TP calculations and removal of recasts. I get the feeling that STP is going to be a much more prized stat in ARR.


EDIT: Again about DPS, I just find that to be such a weird stat to base everything on. It's also somewhat degenerative, as people will look at a weapon's DPS and ignore everything else if it's high enough - kinda like what you see in Diablo 3.

Just as an example (and sorry for the off-topic derailing, this is just a peeve of mine with the game's mechanics) Ifrit's Battleaxe has the highest base damage, and a hefty attack bonus - it should, therefor, be the best Axe for dealing damage on a per-hit basis, especially weaponskills.

But if the game just goes off the DPS stat, then Garuda's will actually hit harder - even though it lacks the whopping +30 attack and has 12 base damage - Am I the only one who sees this is completely retarded? What the hell does weapon delay (DPS) have to do with that calculation?!


EDIT 2: As I said, it makes for a degenerative experience, clearly defining certain weapons as just strictly better, based on a stat (delay) that shouldn't be factored in when calculating the damage of an attack. It's more interesting to have a mix of styles - choosing between higher auto-attack/overall damage, or high weaponskill damage (for enemies with a lot of defense such as Ifrit who take minimal damage from auto-attacks).


Back on topic, yes Garuda & Darnus Hard seem to be the only really highly evasive enemies - for the time being. I wouldn't rule out future battles in ARR such as what we might find inside The Crystal Tower.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Store TP formula is based off of your DPS. So, lets say you have 40. It just adds 4% of bonus TP from what your DPS is, but it rounds up. For a dragoon with relic the corselette actually becomes more viable imo.

Also, I'd like to credit the formula to Isaaru Durai. There is a little more to it, but that is the jist

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Tell this person to stop talking, and in the future, refrain from participating in discourse involving mathematics.
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...=1#post5368330



I would use Grid Coat w/Sanction Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday->Sunday->Repeat if I had it. I will be making a DS Haub+1 w/2 TIV CritAP after 2.0 barring any crazy new options.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

What the hell is with all these calculations going off your DPS?

That just seems like such a stupid approach given that DPS is just your damage vs delay...

XI's coding was much simpler in that regard, with each point of STP being 1% of your TP gain (determined by weapon delay). And yeah of course if you have Gae Bolg it becomes better, that's 1 of the things I was kinda driving at - the more STP you have the better it gets (though it's not quite as OP as say haste)

It'll be interesting to see how it functions in ARR with new TP calculations and removal of recasts. I get the feeling that STP is going to be a much more prized stat in ARR.


EDIT: Again about DPS, I just find that to be such a weird stat to base everything on. It's also somewhat degenerative, as people will look at a weapon's DPS and ignore everything else if it's high enough - kinda like what you see in Diablo 3.

Just as an example (and sorry for the off-topic derailing, this is just a peeve of mine with the game's mechanics) Ifrit's Battleaxe has the highest base damage, and a hefty attack bonus - it should, therefor, be the best Axe for dealing damage on a per-hit basis, especially weaponskills.

But if the game just goes off the DPS stat, then Garuda's will actually hit harder - even though it lacks the whopping +30 attack and has 12 base damage - Am I the only one who sees this is completely retarded? What the hell does weapon delay (DPS) have to do with that calculation?!


EDIT 2: As I said, it makes for a degenerative experience, clearly defining certain weapons as just strictly better, based on a stat (delay) that shouldn't be factored in when calculating the damage of an attack. It's more interesting to have a mix of styles - choosing between higher auto-attack/overall damage, or high weaponskill damage (for enemies with a lot of defense such as Ifrit who take minimal damage from auto-attacks).


Back on topic, yes Garuda & Darnus Hard seem to be the only really highly evasive enemies - for the time being. I wouldn't rule out future battles in ARR such as what we might find inside The Crystal Tower.

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I apologize I made you go on that rant. I was corrected via txt msg from my friend.

TP is calculated by BaseTP x 100
StoreTP is 1% per 10 StoreTP, but rounds up.

So if your TP per hit with your weapon is 300, adding 1% will make it 301.

Credit goes to Isaaru Duari.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Tell this person to stop talking, and in the future, refrain from participating in discourse involving mathematics.
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...=1#post5368330



I would use Grid Coat w/Sanction Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday->Sunday->Repeat if I had it. I will be making a DS Haub+1 w/2 TIV CritAP after 2.0 barring any crazy new options.

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Yeah I apologize. I just had it wrong in my head and didn't clarify first.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

I apologize I made you go on that rant. I was corrected via txt msg from my friend.

TP is calculated by BaseTP x 100
StoreTP is 1% per 10 StoreTP, but rounds up.

So if your TP per hit with your weapon is 300, adding 1% will make it 301.

Credit goes to Isaaru Duari.

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Still wrong.

Read my post on BG (Note, my name isn't Isaaru Duari) and you'll have an accurate representation of what he is trying to butcher and take credit for. (Not that I have any fucks to give, but it's probably more infuriating this information is being relayed incorrectly than anything else.)

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Still wrong.

Read my post on BG (Note, my name isn't Isaaru Duari) and you'll have an accurate representation of what he is trying to butcher and take credit for. (Not that I have any fucks to give, but it's probably more infuriating this information is being relayed incorrectly than anything else.)

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I see you have that it rounds down or rounds up based on it being >0.5 and <0.5 which is the only difference. I'm going off of my friend who did some testing a while before what you posted and I don't read BG forums. So, sorry if I didn't catch your testing that was already mostly completed.

Thanks for the link, though I think there really should be a stick for that somewhere on these forums. I'm very familiar with XI's mechanics (though not as in-depth as some of the BG crowd and especially not Kaeko. Like I remember fSTR, haste calculation etc. etc.) and it just struck me as a bit weird that XIV would deviate to that extent o.O


In XI STP was 1 point = 1% of your TP gain, so if you got 11.5 tp per swing (which was standard 450 GKT I believe) you'd get 12.5 tp/hit at SAM lv 10 with default trait etc.

People have been telling me for instance that your stat caps are also based off DPS rating? Which again strikes me as odd but OK. I'm gonna go read that link you posted now, thanks.


EDIT: Still reading, but holy crap WS damage really does go off of DPS and not the weapon's damage rating? So Garuda's sword will hit harder than Giantgall?

WTF I don't even... Matsui's gone full-retard on us... Hopefully they will change this to a more sensible formula in ARR.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post759856

and Darklight Bracers are terrible.

Wait wtf, I don't get it - that explanation doesn't make any sense.

They're concerned that another class will use a different class' WS to better ability or something? Maybe it's just the translation but it sounds like a damned retarded/circular logic answer to me.

He is saying for example DRG can equip gloom arrow, if damage were based on base damage, DRG's gloom arrow would more damage than BRD's because of DRG's naturally high base weapon damage.

so basing WS damage and stat caps on DPS value prevents that awkwardness.

Wait, why is that even usable by other classes? That doesn't make any sense.

Also, wouldn't it just be far better to adjust skills when used on an off-class? That's how the system worked originally, you had affinities...


Besides, it still strikes me as unconscionably dumb and irresponsible to use DPS over Damage - For one thing, it basically renders the Ifrit Weapons utterly pointless. Even though they have the highest base damage and a massive attack bonus, both of which should give them the highest WS output, they get outclassed by Garuda's weapons because their DPs is higher?

The hell is that BS?! Please tell me, why the hell delay should be factored into determining weaponskill damage. Who's the genius on the dev team that came up with that idea? No, instead let's just go the Diablo 3 path and kill weapon diversity by making the weapons with the best DPS rating strictly better, yeah that's real good game design right there.


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Ifrit will still do better damage if your stat isn't capped, What DPS does is raising your WS damage potential.

I get that, but Garuda's is still strictly better, assuming you get your stats high enough. That's what bothers me.

Mmm, I recently got a Gae Bolg, and with Crit gear on, my damage on the parser is dramatically high. It isn't too different in DPS damage with stat cap gear, but I love all those Crits going off @_@.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post759856

and Darklight Bracers are terrible.

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To expand on both points, the bracers accuracy is 100% useless atm with nearly every encounter. With gae bolg, caligae, white raven, and melded felt bracer you sit just at 400acc which is plenty for 99.99% acc on every fight but garuda and darnus hard. So you are essentially giving up at least 10-15atk with a shitty ATK III double meld. Also the -100hp is a major drag.

DPS is a way to level the playing field between classes, in FFXI the higher damage weapons had slower TP gain's and less WS's per minute in FFXIV we can nearly spam WS's which would greatly unbalance the classes like drg and war vs mnk and brd.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

I get that, but Garuda's is still strictly better, assuming you get your stats high enough. That's what bothers me.

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So for a long time in WoW delay was calculated into the damage of instant attacks (basically weaponskills) in such a way that slow weapons were almost ALWAYS better for damage. An easy to get slow weapon that was bad on paper (low dps or stats or whatever) could outclass something that was more difficult to get and that should have been better. If DPS wasn't a factor in weaponskills here you might see a similar effect, where a weapon like Ifrit's Axe ends up being the best because of its high damage rating, despite the ease of Ifrit compared to a boss like Garuda.

It does make it so some weapons are strictly better than others, but I don't really see that as a bad thing as long as the content is more challenging. Ifrit should give out bad weapons because he is a pushover compared to Garuda. You could make a case for the Grand Company or Giantsgall weapons being too good I guess, though.