When AA is implemented then additionally we need to remove the auto face the enemy feature.
Having AA is great in many differenct aspects but having AA with the cimbined feature of automatically facing your enemies can be a huge problem for those who do not want to be forced into waking a slept or bound mob. Considering AA is going to be "fast paced" then when rangers cast a shadowbind then it will be immediately broken before we can turn our character around (if they remove that feature)
Mages should be able to cast spells while facing any direction as long as the enemy is within range.
I know that SE has thought about this too and will hopefully rid this feature to implement anew but I just want to make sure this issue would be addressed along with the new change.
Agree or Disagree?
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03-31-2011, 09:57 AMSpuffinWhen AA is implemented then additionally we need to....
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03-31-2011, 10:06 AMKaedan
Yes, very much agreed.
I brought this up in the AA thread. We are already losing significant control in battle with the addition of AA, so they have to make this change for crowd control to even be viable. It's annoying that I'm going to have to play the "look away from the mob I want to kill" game again though. That always annoyed the piss out of me. I'm fighting this mob, but because I don't want to screw up the casters, I have to expose my back to the monster and look away to stop attacking. -
03-31-2011, 10:20 AMLamhirh
i woudl actually love to get rid of that feature anyway, autoattack or not. its so annoying, i know i can press c after , but still, annoys me.ok what really annoysme that it come back after retart even after i switch it off in confing/
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03-31-2011, 10:25 AMsolracht
They could always make it so you don't turn for auto-attacks, only for special skills and spells.
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03-31-2011, 10:46 AMDreamer
The easiest way to fix it would be to just give us a way to turn AA off.
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03-31-2011, 10:53 AMKilta_Firelotuslike a disengage button?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
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03-31-2011, 10:56 AMKaedanQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
Ummm... no.
Like a way to manually attack so those of us who don't care to watch TV while playing feel more involved. -
03-31-2011, 11:05 AMSpuffin
Guys this is not another suggestive thread on how we should implement auto attack! It's already said and done. Auto attack will be implemented and we need SE to adress the possible hazards that follow with it. If this thread is possibly noticed by them then they might say "Oh shit.... forgot about that..."
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03-31-2011, 11:10 AMKilta_Firelotusthey already stated that they will make it so you are still involved. You not gonna win a fight with just auto attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
@ spuffin Ya I said something like that in the AA announcement thread.
Idc pc side but it was pretty easy to do the turn around thing. But you also had the option to turn off auto target. (well in ffxi) You will prob have auto facing as that kinda the point of auto attack. Don't you auto face an enemiy with manual attack?
But I can see the annoyence and dealt with it in ffxi. Changing the system to AA is really gonna change the face of the game. UI may be different after. The into CS may be different. Since the first fight was a battle tutorial. Would we need it after AA is out? And how is that gonna change the story? How does AA effect casters? How does AA effect archers?
I hope they think about these. -
03-31-2011, 11:13 AMKaedanMaybe not solo, but I guarantee you there will be people in parties that do nothing but AA for long periods because they're doing something else IRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
But that's off topic.
The real reason we need a way to either A) Turn off AA or B) Somehow stop attacking (without disengaging) is so that you don't accidentally break Sleeps, Binds, and other Crowd Control abilities. -
03-31-2011, 11:36 AMKilta_Firelotusthey said their tweeking mobs. And was referanced to parties. If someone just uses AA and only AA kick them. (unless they have a reason for doing so like using the WC or feeding baby/kids or something)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
But ya Thats a concern of mine to since (unless they change it also) ima be a melee/caster (which AA helps with that ^^) Thats a reason i didn't like doing endgame I wass stressing out over doing something stupid like break a bind or sleep. -
03-31-2011, 02:24 PMAbriael
Ahem. Most games that have Auto Attack also have an engage/disengage toggle. There's no need to remove autofacing.
you seem to think that facing away is in any way faster and more efficent than pressing a single button. -
03-31-2011, 02:25 PMKaedanIt is, unless the key bound to the "disengage button" is closer than the S key. >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
Oh, and disengage usually involves putting your weapon away... which is not what we want to do. -
03-31-2011, 02:27 PMNepheraYes, this was kind of a pain in eq2 when you would accidentally attack something the crowd control classes were trying to keep out of the fight. (though it more often happened to be aoe than autoattack, but some classes auto attacked very fast.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spuffin
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03-31-2011, 02:28 PMAbriaelchanging direction so that a mob is completely out of the attack cone (because you can't have attacks hitting only *dead ahead* of the player, especially with autoface off), will always take more time than a single toggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
Also, if you don't want to hit sleeping or bound targets, you can simply change target, which is even more efficent. -
03-31-2011, 02:52 PMKaedanQuote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
All you have to do is press S. You know, that key that makes you run backward? As long as there is no autofacing, you will turn around and stop attacking. And the key is "no autofacing".
But if they have a toggle specifically for AA (i.e. not a disengage button that puts your weapon away), that will be fine too. -
03-31-2011, 02:59 PMAbriaelThat's only in some games. Many (I would say most) have S as a key to backpedal, not to do a U-turn. Which is IMHO the best solution, by the way, considering that backpedaling is quite an important feature (for instance to pull a mob out of the aggro area of an incoming second mob without being slammed in the back).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
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03-31-2011, 03:13 PMKaedanWell, in FFXIV, if you're locked on, you backpedal. If you're not locked on, you turn backwards. It's the same in FFXI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
But again, moot point as long as they add a "start AA/stop AA" button you can toggle. -
03-31-2011, 03:17 PMAbriaelI'm pretty sure they will. It'd be insane not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
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03-31-2011, 05:17 PMKilta_Firelotus
ya it will be called disengage
(kidding)