Give players incentive to play tanks and healers in Content finder

Since content finder will be one of the major ways people do content in ARR there is bound to be a few problems that pop up with it. I can see one already.

In WoW which has dungeon finder there is a big problem with people not wanting to take on the responsibility to play tanks and healers, they rather play mindless dps. So if your a tank or healer you get a instant queue really fast. While DPS have to wait like 30 min. So Blizzard started bribing people with bonus bags that had a lot of gold, food, potions, mounts and pets if they successfully beat a dungeon as a tank or healer. So now it only takes 8 min for dps to get a group.

So devs fix the problem before it happens in ARR. Give the tanks and healers a bag with extra gil and chance a rare mount for queuing up in the content finder. It will reduce queue times for those dps players by a lot. Win-Win for everyone.

Considering this game isn't like wow, and you can have all the jobs on the same character if you so choose, many people have a tank, a healer, and a dps leveled; if not everything. I don't think this will ever be an issue, and I think it's in bad taste to reward some players over others for doing nothing.

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So devs fix the problem before it happens in ARR. Give the tanks and healers a bag with extra gil and chance a rare mount for queuing up in the content finder.

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then everyone will go tanks and healers and you'll have low DPS and you're back to square one. Stupid idea.

Also, what mijin said.

Just like in XI, there will be 56,782 DDs, two tanks, two healers and one support.

I loved BRD in XI because it was so easy to find a group. (Also it was the best job ever, still waiting for my instruments in XIV SE)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

then everyone will go tanks and healers and you'll have low DPS and you're back to square one. Stupid idea.

Also, what mijin said.

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That's not what happens at all. It works well in WoW. People still mainly play DPS because it's easy.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Just like in XI, there will be 56,782 DDs, two tanks, two healers and one support.

I loved BRD in XI because it was so easy to find a group. (Also it was the best job ever, still waiting for my instruments in XIV SE)

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You have an instrument- you just have to do the relic weapon quest to get it. And it's permanently attached to your weapon.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You have an instrument- you just have to do the relic weapon quest to get it. And it's permanently attached to your weapon.

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harharhar :cool:

Make the content unbeatable without tanks and healers.
The end.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

Make the content unbeatable without tanks and healers.
The end.

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yeah, that'll work well.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Just like in XI, there will be 56,782 DDs, two tanks, two healers and one support.

I loved BRD in XI because it was so easy to find a group. (Also it was the best job ever, still waiting for my instruments in XIV SE)

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You could use your bow as a stereotypical Hillbilly guitar with 1 string

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

You could use your bow as a stereotypical Hillbilly guitar with 1 string

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When I tried some hillbilly kid showed me up :(

The problem is often that due to mechanics the tank population is lower than the DPS population. Why? Because raiding standards in WoW-like game often are 1~2 MT per encounter maximum (in a 20+ mans raid). Make that 3 if an offtank is needed.

Same goes for healers/supports, in lot of encounters, you will have about a third of your raid dedicated to that. What gives? DPS remain the biggest part of the raid (50%+). So the DPS population is obviously higher.

Also, tanking mean owning tank gear and lot of players don't bother to gear a tank, especially when the guild they raid with already have their 1/2 dedicated main tanks. Any proper raiding guild will distribute loots to their MT first, so whoever isn't a full time tank in a raid will never have priorities on loots which discourage players to tank.

So it's not only about people being lazy, it's more a game design issue. If the needed tank/heal/dps ratio was 1/1/1 on high level encounters, then player population would be close to that 1/1/1 as well. But no encounters are designed to work with the same amount of tank/heal/DPS.

Don't forget that you will be able to raise your chocobo as either a tank, healer, or dps role, and it has been requested that they be sufficiently competent to replace a player of that role for most things.

So... go go 100% DPS population...

Mizukage get banned and started posting under a new name?

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Mizukage get banned and started posting under a new name?

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Nah, Mizukage only wrote one line per thread. Unless he finally went to english class, and it worked really good, i doubt this is Miz

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

yeah, that'll work well.

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In most other communities? Yeah it would actually lol, worked well in RO.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

The problem is often that due to mechanics the tank population is lower than the DPS population. Why? Because raiding standards in WoW-like game often are 1~2 MT per encounter maximum (in a 20+ mans raid). Make that 3 if an offtank is needed.

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Yes and no. When tanking was more open and less...reliant on you being a keyboard master with a crapton of binds and macros, a lot more people were willing to take up the role of tank. Sure, you could make a case for 696 and passives making prot pallies easier to play than bear druids or warriors, but it also meant more people were willing to tank because of it. I don't buy into the whole e-pride thing (the "this class is easier to play so it should perform worse so that I don't feel bad for not choosing it" idiocy), so I was very happy to see so many people that actually wanted to take up the role. The shift in "difficulty" had a large hand in reducing the tank pool. And it's that approach to design that makes people hesitant of taking up the mantle of tank. Healing works the same way, too.

I can agree that growth opportunities are limited for tanks and heals, but that's not entirely why there's less people playing tanks and heals more people playing DPS.

White Mage is my favorite job to play, as it was in FFXI. Can't say I'd complain to get free goodies too though :3

I approve!

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Originally Posted by Eremor

Don't forget that you will be able to raise your chocobo as either a tank, healer, or dps role, and it has been requested that they be sufficiently competent to replace a player of that role for most things.

So... go go 100% DPS population...

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Most things maybe, but I doubt it would work in Primal fights and dungeons where you have to stand at precise spots or use some skills at a precise time.

Fix a problem that isn't there? I think this is a comunity essue, like right now not many people like to tank or heal mostly because too much responsability, they don't like it or simply they are not good doing it. DPS crowd will always be higher