Arrows are going, what about bait?

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09-18-2012, 10:51 PM
Punainen

Arrows are going, what about bait?

So we know now that arrows are being phased out in ARR... And in a way, arrows are similar to bait.

So as a fisher (on my alt), I really need to know if I should be vendoring my massive stock of bait/lures, or if they will still exist and have a purpose in ARR.
09-18-2012, 10:52 PM
Wolfie

They should go as well, but probably won't since SE is pretty inconsistent.
09-18-2012, 10:54 PM
Lirion

I wouldn't mind if consuming bate went out the window as well but they should keep the different baits you can equip for different fish.
09-18-2012, 10:59 PM
Munba

Hope the baits will remain.. I don't want a game for dummies -.-
09-18-2012, 11:01 PM
yukikaze_yanagi

if consumable baits will disappear, i just hope they'll remain in different types. Mostly because i hate consumable baits, i always use artificial which are mostly unlimited XD
09-18-2012, 11:07 PM
Starlord

Its not like bait is expensive anyhow :P.
09-18-2012, 11:22 PM
Punainen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starlord

Its not like bait is expensive anyhow :P.

When you have as much as I do, they're at least worth vendoring if they're gonna vanish in ARR.
09-18-2012, 11:22 PM
Medura

well, i wouldnt have anything against it myself, but .... non-usable bait is a botters dream i guess, so i want it to stay :P
09-18-2012, 11:23 PM
Punainen

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

if consumable baits will disappear, i just hope they'll remain in different types. Mostly because i hate consumable baits, i always use artificial which are mostly unlimited XD

Yeah, I hope bait stays but either doesn't change or becomes non-consumable.
09-18-2012, 11:43 PM
Wolfie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munba

Hope the baits will remain.. I don't want a game for dummies -.-

Please explain. If all the baits that we have now turn into items like lures, how will it dumb down the game?
09-18-2012, 11:49 PM
Reika

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lirion

I wouldn't mind if consuming bate went out the window as well but they should keep the different baits you can equip for different fish.

Indeed. Consumable bait can die. We do need more lures that are specific to different fish so we dont catch everything in the water with one tho.
09-19-2012, 12:05 AM
Punainen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Please explain. If all the baits that we have now turn into items like lures, how will it dumb down the game?

I'm pretty sure he meant he wanted there to be baits and lures and not just an empty rod.
09-19-2012, 12:14 AM
Reika

if anything, bait/lures can be part of our 'tacklebox' that we magically have access too when we change to fisher, so we wont have to use more inv space/spend more money just like archer in 2.0.
09-19-2012, 01:20 AM
Shougun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medura

well, i wouldnt have anything against it myself, but .... non-usable bait is a botters dream i guess, so i want it to stay :P

If they have a bot smart enough to do the minigame I dont think they would worry about having to equip bait lol
09-19-2012, 01:23 AM
Orophin

They might keep the current vendor baits, but everything else crafted I'm sure vendors more than a single digit.
09-19-2012, 03:27 AM
Estellios

i'm kinda hoping that we don't necessarily have to equip bait and just having it in our inventory is enough. Then when we begin fishing we can just pick whatever bait we want to use.

I would be fine with bait going away, though. I like the idea of it but the other DoL don't have to deal with it.
09-19-2012, 03:33 AM
LlenCoram

I'm hoping bait stays. I'm already worried that the new mini game will dumb down gathering too much even for me, so keeping bait would be nice.

Another thing to worry about for us fishers is whether or not we'll still be able to fish anywhere in ARR, rather than just from fish schools. It'd would be a great way to deal with bots, but I really do love just setting up on a cliff and fishing for hours on end.
09-19-2012, 03:42 AM
Rokien

Hey while we are at it, lets make all consumables infinite. Potions, what have ya!
09-19-2012, 04:19 AM
Estellios

The only real interesting thing about bait is that you can target specific fish with them but it really needs to be redone if they keep it. There's bait that barely anything likes, bait that too many things like, and there's situations where you can't target fish in certain zones at all because they all love/hate the exact same type of bait. It's really annoying sometimes as fish distribution didn't change with the rest of the DoL so you still have like 6/7 types of fish available at one area that will just get in your way when you only want one or two.
09-19-2012, 04:45 AM
Alhanelem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfie

They should go as well, but probably won't since SE is pretty inconsistent.

Since they haven't mentioned bait at all, there wouldn't be any inconsistency in removing it.

However, it should be more like ffxi, with bait that is consumed, along with lures that are not (unless the line breaks)

For arrows, it was already at a point where we carried a grossly unrealistic number of arrows, so it's reasonable to change that to an endless supply. For fishing, bait isn't used in the same quantity or at the same rate and doesn't have the same economic impact. In fact, I don't think I've ever bought bait in what time I've fished- the game doles out a lot of lower end bait for free.
09-19-2012, 05:00 AM
Alkar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Since they haven't mentioned bait at all, there wouldn't be any inconsistency in removing it.

However, it should be more like ffxi, with bait that is consumed, along with lures that are not (unless the line breaks)

For arrows, it was already at a point where we carried a grossly unrealistic number of arrows, so it's reasonable to change that to an endless supply. For fishing, bait isn't used in the same quantity or at the same rate and doesn't have the same economic impact. In fact, I don't think I've ever bought bait in what time I've fished- the game doles out a lot of lower end bait for free.

Exactly, which is why turning all baits into lures won't change a thing other than not having stacks taking up space for no real reason.
09-26-2012, 01:55 AM
Toxsik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lirion

I wouldn't mind if consuming bate went out the window as well but they should keep the different baits you can equip for different fish.

I like this idea as it keeps bait and gives it more of a purpose.
09-26-2012, 02:03 AM
Orophin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Since they haven't mentioned bait at all, there wouldn't be any inconsistency in removing it.

However, it should be more like ffxi, with bait that is consumed, along with lures that are not (unless the line breaks)

For arrows, it was already at a point where we carried a grossly unrealistic number of arrows, so it's reasonable to change that to an endless supply. For fishing, bait isn't used in the same quantity or at the same rate and doesn't have the same economic impact. In fact, I don't think I've ever bought bait in what time I've fished- the game doles out a lot of lower end bait for free.

With the exception of pill bugs, all vendor bought consumable bait had no favored fish associated with it, so it wouldn't be a big deal if it disappeared. Crafted bait and crafted and vendor bought lures are much more useful though and should probably stay in their current form. If anything, they need to be adjusted some for some of them to have more uses. There's currently about 6 fish or so that don't have a favored bait and a few pieces of bait that only target 1 or 2 fish.

I think between making some favored bait adjustments and reworking fish distribution to make it easier to target fish with specific baits, fishing will feel a little more comparable to mining and botany where you feel you're actually getting more of the item you're actually aiming for.