Ok were losing arrows :( but fine we know that now, though I honestly don't like the idea 1 magical arrow that last forever. (and yes I'm assuming/speculating this last part as a worst case)
So how about moving ARC/BRD to DoM and having us use a spell to create arrows.
This opens up elemental and status effects rather nicely, and it fits with the trailers we have seen before, balances out the DoW/M numbers and finally allows us to get some cool looking effects for the different 'arrows'..
edit: to save confusion I'm not arguing to keep arrows but to evolve the ARC/BRD and set why they don't use/buy arrows into the game lore by making them in part DoM which also fits with BRD again nicly i think.
Also to make it a more individual class and give it a number of differing effects dependent on the type of arrow spell being used
ARC change to DoM maybe?
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09-18-2012, 03:42 AMEskARC change to DoM maybe?
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09-18-2012, 03:54 AMKiriA500
They could just give them special types of arrows like Final Fantasy XII did.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/L...sy_XII_Weapons -
09-18-2012, 04:00 AMEsk
2 issues with that:
1. That would leave us with the magically infinite arrows thing.
The bow creating the arrows though magic (so still more DoM then DoW) leads onto issue #2
2. Needing multiple bows and having to switch them all the time would probably be worse on the inventory then arrows currently are. -
09-18-2012, 04:06 AMDuelleConsidering SE's history of never being able to properly balance cost of ammo, I don't see why this is a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esk
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09-18-2012, 04:12 AMPooky
I for one welcome infinite arrows. In FFXI, playing a Ranger was such a turn off due to having to constantly buy arrows compared to other classes. Plus its aggravating when you or someone in your group runs out of arrows and has to either use crap arrows or go back to the AH/Retainer to get more. No other class has to deal with that hassle, why limit archers?
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09-18-2012, 04:14 AMEskIt's a personal taste, I like having ammo for weapons its a bit silly as we have 999 of them i'll happily admit but as the next part of that sentence explained to a point i dislike infinite arrows for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
I'm, not after realism or anything, just a good game lore explanation as to why we don't use or buy arrows, and I was putting forward my idea for it..
As i hate game lore being ignored for the sake of a easy like for the devs.
As above really, I'm not arguing for them to keep arrows, but explain away why they are gone with game lore and evolve and improve the ARC/BRD classes at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
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09-18-2012, 04:15 AMEsk
opps fail double post moment...
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09-18-2012, 04:21 AMFated
You want them to convert all of ARC's WSes into magic or something?
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09-18-2012, 04:21 AMKerwin
I leveled CRP because when cobalt arrows were 65k+ at the time, I could see profit. Now they are taking away one of CRP's main incomes? Sheesh. BRD will never be DoM till the class looses its bow and turns into a proper Bard.
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09-18-2012, 04:22 AMGentaro
When reading the threads name I realized again that we'll have an ARCher ARCanist issue with 2.0 D:
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09-18-2012, 04:27 AMEskI wanted to start a discussion about how they could make ARC/BRD use its bow with infinite arrows and have it make sense within the game lore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fated
And to push the class to a better position giving it elemental/effect based arrows.
lol call them IST? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gentaro
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09-18-2012, 04:31 AMNakiamiieARCher [ARC]Quote:
Originally Posted by Gentaro
ArCaNist? [ACN]
ArcaNisT? [ANT]
I don't see how it has to change to DoM.
A LOT of things are not shown and assumed to be happening. As long as we see a quiver on our back filled with arrows (for aesthetic), no problem.
Our characters can go forever without eating, drinking, using the restrooms, etc.
Does that mean we are magical beings or gods? No, it is simply assumed they do so when you blink. -
09-18-2012, 04:31 AMAlexNiculaieQuote:
Originally Posted by Kerwin
Which is being replaced with the ability to customize players' homes and create furniture as well. I somehow don't see CRP struggling in 2.0. That said, I don't see a need to explain a game mechanic through lore. There's no in game lore on why our armor and weapons vanish and reappear out of thin air, nor how it is our characters never have to eat or use the restrooms. No explanations or why mobs fade away after defeat, or why they magically spawn again without needing to reproduce first (despite there existing in game items suggesting they do.). It's a video game, not everything needs to be explained away, or adhere to strict logic. -
09-18-2012, 04:32 AMWolfie
I honestly don't see how lore comes into removal of arrows anywhere, and how having arrows as consumables now 'better' fits into the lore than not.
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09-18-2012, 04:33 AMRenen
Can some 1 post a link to where it talks about arrows?
Not that I dont trust you, but maybe i missed some stuff aside from the arrows. -
09-18-2012, 04:37 AMEskAgree'd being to strict and ocd about following lore is as bad as having non.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie
Having to take bathroom breaks and go into a room or animating getting changed would be well yeah... pft...
But when their is a option to create something and give it lore why not do so?
And it would also (imo at least) make the ARC/BRD class more individual and allow for some really nice effects to be added, So why would it not be better to do so?
edit:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post831427Quote:
Originally Posted by Renen
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09-18-2012, 04:39 AMVanguard319
ok, getting rid of arrows is stupid, first as Kerwin mentioned, it removes one of the major reasons people level carpenter to begin with, as well as removes one of it's best sources of income. Arrows are not that terribly, or cripplingly expensive, especially when people are undercutting to compete in the market wards. Looking at these arguments, there is no legitimately good reason to remove them, and "I don't like them" or "They are limited" are not good enough reasons.
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09-18-2012, 04:41 AMEskQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
What are you shooting from your bow? if its not arrows and where does that thing come from.
Were not losing lore atm, were losing something that seem logical, and I'm just putting an idea of how to give us some lore and create something new from the change.
I made a reply here to a specific comment, and my words were poorly chosen -
09-18-2012, 04:47 AMWolfieSo it's not lore that's the issue, it's realism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esk
Tell me, where on your character are you storing 100 plate mail chest pieces? -
09-18-2012, 04:47 AMRenenMaybe its going to be one of those things where arrows come with the bow free of charge? And its automatically assumed that we equip and use them, so there is really no point to even have an equip slot for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esk
Its like asking "What are you shooting out of your bow?"
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09-18-2012, 04:58 AMEsklol I specifically didn't use realism, as their is no 'issue' and it isn't about that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
The game is being changed, regardless of my personal feelings on the change, I saw an opportunity to evolve/change the ARC/BRD class, give it a reason to have several cool effect on the bows and explain it away by creating some game lore making ARC/BRD part or full DoM.
But yes you baited me into a silly reply that really had nothing to do with my original post. Congrats for that lol..
Yup it probably will be, i just think it'll be a missed opportunity to change the class and make it more individual if that's how it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renen
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09-18-2012, 05:00 AMNakiamiie
For the people complaining about the relationship between arrows and carpenter, relax. You'll be able to craft house parts and furniture which will sell at higher profit. If all the promises from Yoshi-P are going to happen, the housing system will be so awesome that people will invest on their house and free company building A LOT.
There, no more tears. -
09-18-2012, 05:03 AMWolfie
No, I'm just saying that the change is literally inconsequential and does not warrant changing how an entire class plays so that we have an "explanation" as to why we don't have arrows as an item.
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09-18-2012, 05:08 AMEskI always liked the idea of arrows having effects, after i first read about it, and i had hopped in 2.0 this would happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Not wanting the class to change is understandable though, i just think it would be a change for the better, making it more complex and adaptive.
This just gave me an opportunity to voice my feeling. -
09-18-2012, 05:13 AMAlkar
/facepalm Really?...
What's next? You want "lore" to explain why mages suddenly have different casting animations, "lore" to explain why we can suddenly jump and more "lore" to explain where the crafting/gathering minigames went?
It's the best decision for the class and it's nothing worth complaining about. -
09-18-2012, 05:19 AMEskWhile i stated my dislike I didn't complain, and if the post is read in full, that should be clear tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkar
I just offered up a opinion on a way to add some lore to the game and evolve the clads giving it elemental and/or status effect abilities.
So no i don't want lore on why the game is getting cosmetic changes.
Or fail to understand why a lot of people will see the removal of arrows as a good move.
But that doesn't change or effect the idea in my original post. -
09-18-2012, 05:23 AMKluya15I suppose you want lore/logic put in the game to explain why our characters don't ever have to use a restroom as well ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Esk
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09-18-2012, 05:33 AMEskI've already reply'd and explained that the wording of the post was poorly chosen more then once, and has nothing to do with the original post.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kluya15
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09-18-2012, 05:35 AMDuelleYou lose arrows and gain furniture. I think you're winning out more on that trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerwin
BRD is a proper bard already. Rather than being a pansy edwardian bard it's based on the classic bard.Quote:
BRD will never be DoM till the class looses its bow and turns into a proper Bard.