Request for a longer battle video

I'm still unsure as to whether or not I like the changes to the battle system and will probably remain that way until I get a hands on experience. But some of my worries could be affirmed or negated by a 2.0 combat video that lasted at least 2 minutes simply to see the flow of combat and how tp regenerating would function in a practical sense.

I'm not going to pretend to know if its even at that stage, but if it is I think a lot of us would like to see a sample. Nothing too glossy, just a longer fight.

P.S. And if possible, from the point of view of a melee DD so we can see a ratio of tp regen to weaponskill use.

Edit: Since almost all of you are missing the point of this thread, I will put it in very simple words.

I do not care about opinions of the changes, I do not care about the graphical changes, I do not care how other games handle things.

I want to know what "fast-paced" means to Yoshida in the form of a demonstrative video that has a player fighting something for longer than 2 skills.

Here's some Archer battling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3pjjbejlI4&t=20m8s

Although what he attacks dies in two hits.

Like everything else in ARR will xD. It still looks heavily...downgraded from 1.0, so hopefully it's just "unfinished" or they went all out fitting in with other MMOs.

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It still looks heavily...downgraded from 1.0

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Everyone will have their own opinions on this one, Now we all can say it is downgraded sure, but "Heavily"? Not sure about that one on a personal level. Its still not finished yet, so there's still a lot they can improve on.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Like everything else in ARR will xD. It still looks heavily...downgraded from 1.0, so hopefully it's just "unfinished" or they went all out fitting in with other MMOs.

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I don't mean the graphics quality of the combat system, I mean the technical side of it. How fast paced will it be, how much down time will there between weaponskills after you have used your initial 1,000 tp, how much variety is there going to be in your choice of skills (Will you use the same weaponskill combo over and over because they all share a cooldown or will you use multiple combos like we do now). This is the kind of stuff I'm worried about.

Didn't the devs say that is IS in fact downgraded and they simply didn't waste resources on things like walking animation and such?

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Originally Posted by Renen

Didn't the devs say that is IS in fact downgraded and they simply didn't waste resources on things like walking animation and such?

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I even agree that it is downgraded, but not "heavily" though. But perhaps down the line they can put the stuff that they wanted to put in but couldn't.

From what we've seen, it looks like TP skills cost around 200-300, and probably more for stronger skills. It regens pretty fast.



I don't know how I feel about it. It feels a lot like Guild Wars 2 >_>

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Originally Posted by Ryans

I'm still unsure as to whether or not I like the changes to the battle system and will probably remain that way until I get a hands on experience. But some of my worries could be affirmed or negated by a 2.0 combat video that lasted at least 2 minutes simply to see the flow of combat and how tp regenerating would function in a practical sense.

I'm not going to pretend to know if its even at that stage, but if it is I think a lot of us would like to see a sample. Nothing too glossy, just a longer fight.

P.S. And if possible, from the point of view of a melee DD so we can see a ratio of tp regen to weaponskill use.

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Tp doesn't regen in party, the longest fight you will see in game is 20 seconds long. SPAM FEST HERE WE COME

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Originally Posted by Rau

From what we've seen, it looks like TP skills cost around 200-300, and probably more for stronger skills. It regens pretty fast.



I don't know how I feel about it. It feels a lot like Guild Wars 2 >_>

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That's a terrible thing, gw2 is sooo cheap, looks and feels like a cheap game.

50% of ppl seem to looove GW2 other 50% seem to hate it ._. wut

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Originally Posted by Renen

50% of ppl seem to looove GW2 other 50% seem to hate it ._. wut

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I'm playing gw2 right now and its not a terrible game, I'm having fun with it, it's a GRIND, something to do. Though the game except the water, looks and feels terrible. It's a one time game, once you 100% the map. It's a completionist game.

can i put an end to this retarded thread. This footage is pre-alpha, i was in the original FFXIV alpha and it was no where near as good as the video for 2.0 is looking. (original alpha you could barely attack anything, zoom your camera or do anything) things can and will get better so don't bother Q__Qing in here and moaning about the footage, your just gonna make yourself look like a tit!!

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Originally Posted by Kurai

can i put an end to this retarded thread. This footage is pre-alpha, i was in the original FFXIV alpha and it was no where near as good as the video for 2.0 is looking. (original alpha you could barely attack anything, zoom your camera or do anything) things can and will get better so don't bother Q__Qing in here and moaning about the footage, your just gonna make yourself look like a tit!!

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Yes I remember Alpha 1.0 as well and how characters turned and tilted toward the ground, however they confirmed certain animations were nixed for "better gameplay", the fact SE CONFIRMED they DID remove even one animation is why it's hard to say "it's just pre-alpha".

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Originally Posted by Kurai

can i put an end to this retarded thread. This footage is pre-alpha, i was in the original FFXIV alpha and it was no where near as good as the video for 2.0 is looking. (original alpha you could barely attack anything, zoom your camera or do anything) things can and will get better so don't bother Q__Qing in here and moaning about the footage, your just gonna make yourself look like a tit!!

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pretty sure you just did that yourself, look like a tit. You are also QQing about people QQing so what does that make you? QQ some more!

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Originally Posted by Ryans

I don't mean the graphics quality of the combat system, I mean the technical side of it. How fast paced will it be, how much down time will there between weaponskills after you have used your initial 1,000 tp, how much variety is there going to be in your choice of skills (Will you use the same weaponskill combo over and over because they all share a cooldown or will you use multiple combos like we do now). This is the kind of stuff I'm worried about.

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The only thing they said was you can start battles with full TP for example, so the only downtime aside TP costs, would be the regen rate of TP and mages are only affected by MP costs. Also, they removed positional requirements for Combos because of PvP.

That's really all we know.

I want to see longer battle too, i know that battle will be faster than 1.0 but there have to be some bosses and i want to see some longer battles there.

This is EXACTLY, why they didn't want to show Gameplay footage.. because of these types of "reaction" to a a Game thats not even in Alpha State yet ~.~.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Tp doesn't regen in party, the longest fight you will see in game is 20 seconds long. SPAM FEST HERE WE COME

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Tp does regen in party not sure where you got that idea.

And 20 seconds is longer than most fights now, crybaby.

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Originally Posted by Godsleftsock

Tp does regen in party not sure where you got that idea.

And 20 seconds is longer than most fights now, crybaby.

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I said that will be the longest fight. Normal mobs will die in 2-3 seconds if in a party, and I don't play mmos to play with my self.

I do have some concerns about longer prolonged boss type battles. But That's as far as it goes with out any hands on with the new system.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I said that will be the longest fight. Normal mobs will die in 2-3 seconds if in a party, and I don't play mmos to play with my self.

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Till you play FFXIV: ARR making such claims will be invaild

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Till you play FFXIV: ARR making such claims will be invaild

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the claims are fact. A normal mob will die in a few seconds, yoshi himself said so. Didn't you see him say mobs will die in 5 weaponskills? SO GUESS WHAT, if you are in a party, 5 people can kill a mob in 1 second. It's logic.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I said that will be the longest fight. Normal mobs will die in 2-3 seconds if in a party, and I don't play mmos to play with my self.

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Eh, no?
Against standard monsters the same level as you, sure. But not against monsters or NM 5-15 levels higher than you.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Eh, no?
Against standard monsters the same level as you, sure. But not against monsters or NM 5-15 levels higher than you.

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Why would you kill those anyways, this is a quest based system now. You are only going to be fighting mobs around your level. Heck we probably can't even kill em, we can barely kill them now.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Why would you kill those anyways, this is a quest based system now. You are only going to be fighting mobs around your level. Heck we probably can't even kill em, we can barely kill them now.

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And you think the end boss would have the same level as the quest? Ha ha. Be sure your party comrades are around you.

Like the Garuda quest. The quest is level 45, Garuda not