Obtaining summons

And I mean as summoner, not Free Company.
If im not mistaken, the lore for the primals states that they are actually "good" but have been corrupted in some way or another.

Perhaps the summoner quests will make you somehow cleanse the primals or separate their "good" part from their corrupted part, and then allow you to summon that small and weakened part (or as some have said, maybe putting it into some other vessel, like wind carby or some such)

Thoughts?

The primals are considered evil by the humans and garleans. This is because they are the gods of the beastmen tribes that they fight against. The beastmen tribes summoned them as a way to defend themselves and the aether that people are taking from the planet. So the primals being good or evil is just a matter of perspective.

As far as summoner goes, we wont know how exactley how we obtain them. I am of the thought they will be housed. In equippable gemstones like in ffix. Perhaps each job quest gives you another gemstone to use (e.g. In ffix ramuh was housed in the peridot stone)

We are going to house the essence of primals in a lesser being. Yoshi has already stated that carby is arcanist exclusive, however changing to summoner will grant access to other pets, essences of ifrit and garuda having already been confirmed.

Summoning is a forbidden art in Eorzea. So, no to happy friendly primal essence lol.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Summoning is a forbidden art in Eorzea. So, no to happy friendly primal essence lol.

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It can still be friendly. Even if the action of summoning is forbidden.

As for the "good" I'm not sure Ifrit's lore, but I think garuda was good at some point and then became too bloodthirsty after she lost a fight to some great drake, and had to eat some humans to survive. (Unless im way wrong)

Summoning was forbidden in FFXI too and the Avatars wanted to rip your skull off for entertainment for trying to wake them. Also I hope to god the essences is just another way of saying Avatar (basically not the actual being, but an image) and not something that will inhabit Carbuncle or they took a very large step backwards from XI lol.

Lots of people hate on ff11 system, But I think they should have something like that, just w/o the useless skills (1/2 the skills in 11 weren't worth using)

I'm kind of digging the idea of Carby taking on the form of what ever primal we plan on summoning. Even in FFXI I never felt like my summons outside of Carby were really there cause I was some bad ass or something.

I'd be bummed though if as Summoner we can't summon Carby.

I do recall them saying Carby is Arcanist only, but that could all change.

I think it's safe to say that summoner will have abilities and skills off the bat. Their summoning power is suppossed to be the "essense" of the primals, not necessarily a summoning role as a traditional FF title. So i think it would be accurate to say that most likey thats we'll prolly get most "essense" abilities/spells right off the bat, and the rest be unlocked trying to get your AF, like any other job and its corresponding abilities. This is not the summoner you are used to from xi, or X, I don't think, and it doesn;t sound like, its going to be something you invest time and effort into.....not like xi by far, and imo thats a bad thing.

Additionally, when it comes to summoner, it doesn't appear we will actually be obtaining primals/summons. We will be able to acquire new abilities/spells of the primals' essense, but thats prolly it. From my understanding, you can only "obtain" a primal in a free company, after 1. your free comany kills the primal and 2. if your free company can build up enough points to be able to use it, before it goes back o roaming the world.

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Originally Posted by Renen

Lots of people hate on ff11 system, But I think they should have something like that, just w/o the useless skills (1/2 the skills in 11 weren't worth using)

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i never mind the FFXI way i main XI SMN for 18 years up untel now you no longer really waste mp while having them out.there pretty much free. i just hope they are more stronger and it free to keep out "if" they they go the FFXI way.

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Originally Posted by Renen

And I mean as summoner, not Free Company.
If im not mistaken, the lore for the primals states that they are actually "good" but have been corrupted in some way or another.

Perhaps the summoner quests will make you somehow cleanse the primals or separate their "good" part from their corrupted part, and then allow you to summon that small and weakened part (or as some have said, maybe putting it into some other vessel, like wind carby or some such)

Thoughts?

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Am sure it's something like that and we have to fight them again to obtain there essence.

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Originally Posted by KaiserDrill

The primals are considered evil by the humans and garleans. This is because they are the gods of the beastmen tribes that they fight against. The beastmen tribes summoned them as a way to defend themselves and the aether that people are taking from the planet. So the primals being good or evil is just a matter of perspective.

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The Eorzean Alliance is fighting the Primals because they are the ones draining the aether from the planet, not the other way around. Primals require a shit-ton of aether to stay in corporeal form and the beastmen that worship them are providing that aether. The Alliance doesn't actually know how to harvest aether, they had been trading with the beastmen for years but the beastmen had recently stopped the trading process (Due to their gods demanding the crystals).

So no, the Primals are not corrupt and need to be cleansed, at least to the extent of our knowledge, they are just power hungry. (I.E. The reason mini Ifrit gets stronger is because Darnus shoots that aether blast and Ifrit absorbs it)

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Originally Posted by Renen

And I mean as summoner, not Free Company.
If im not mistaken, the lore for the primals states that they are actually "good" but have been corrupted in some way or another.

Perhaps the summoner quests will make you somehow cleanse the primals or separate their "good" part from their corrupted part, and then allow you to summon that small and weakened part (or as some have said, maybe putting it into some other vessel, like wind carby or some such)

Thoughts?

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They are gods, not good
just saying
And they are not corrupted, they corrupt their summoners. Because of this the sylphs don't summon their primals because they fear it would make them like the other beastmen

@ryans youre right about the aether thing, i rechecked my cs. All i meant was that to anyone not of a beastribe, they are considered evil. Yet, they are worshipped by their respective tribes. So them being good or evil is just a matter of what side of the fence youre on.

Kinda reminds me of something pinhead says in hellraiser lol. "we are demons to some, angels to others"

Lmao it doesnt help their case though when ifrit has a bit of a superiority complex and garuda is bat shit crazy XD

The summoner is most certainly simpyl going to have 6 job quests just like the other jobs, and you'll fight small primal battles to obtain the summoner job abilities most likely.

I think it would be odd if you can't use Carbuncle as a Summoner. Mostly supposing they do a system like XI where you have to go out and fight the primals before you can summon them or do a summon quest, how would you be able to get things done? Sure you may have Debuff skills, and I'm sure that book can do a decent amount of damage.. probably not, but a summoner is nothing if they're not summoning.

I kind of took "only arcanist can summon carbuncle" to mean that carbuncle won't be a cross class ability, but that summoner could still use him. At least that is what I hope they mean, since I <3 the little blue squirrel.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I do recall them saying Carby is Arcanist only, but that could all change.

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Yes and I'm pretty sure the reason behind that is because carby is set for solo/small groups since it is tank or mage. This way they can set up all the summoner avatars as more dps/dot/debuff because summoner is the job and is for group play. At least that is how I see it to more define the class being solo/small group and job as being mid/full group play...

As for the summons themselves I'm sure they are actually going to be different summons and not just a carby with a different color... because you are taking a part of the primal to bring out an avatar of them and not the full thing.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by TatlTael

I kind of took "only arcanist can summon carbuncle" to mean that carbuncle won't be a cross class ability, but that summoner could still use him. At least that is what I hope they mean, since I <3 the little blue squirrel.

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What gets me is if summoner isn't able to summon Carbuncle then that would mean that the whole set up for how classes and jobs work now will be changed drastically come 2.0. And I can safely say that will piss off several people, though I suppose it would define jobs more.

I was really hoping on Summoner having it's own unique summons different from the primals. Kinda bummed that's not the case, but with the way jobs currently work, it may work similarly to Folklore, which I fucking loved.

It'll be interesting to see, at least.

I'm sure that like in XI, Summoners will be considered a forbidden job class and such, they were never accepted by "society" in XI. That's why you got all of your AF quests and such from Carbuncle in an empty house... ;3

I agree with what they meant by Carbuncle being Arcanist only they simply meant summoning Carbuncle won't be a cross class skill. Like when looking at this wiki here it says Cura and Curaga require Conjurer, but that doesn't mean White Mage doesn't have access to those skills.

If quests end up being necessary to obtain the other avatars I don't imagine they would have people fight the primals themselves. At most I imagine we would fight the same lesser essence beings that we would be summoning.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

I agree with what they meant by Carbuncle being Arcanist only they simply meant summoning Carbuncle won't be a cross class skill. Like when looking at this wiki here it says Cura and Curaga require Conjurer, but that doesn't mean White Mage doesn't have access to those skills.

If quests end up being necessary to obtain the other avatars I don't imagine they would have people fight the primals themselves. At most I imagine we would fight the same lesser essence beings that we would be summoning.

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Ah I hope we fight them ourselves personally. Half the fun of summoner back in the 11 days was going out and fighting the six avatars with just Carbuncle.

True. In FFXI I vowed to not get high level help and solo each of them myself, but I'm pretty sure SE wants to stick with them maintaining their god-like status this time around and will probably keep them as super bosses without toning them down for Summoner's sake. Fighting the avatar essences would have a similar feel, but probably more realistic.

Although I suppose it possible that we might fight the actual primals. Taking a look at the wiki it looks like with the first Ifrit fight he's level 35 which would be an appropriate boss challenge for a level 30 Summoner quest. I suppose it could go either way or maybe fighting them won't be necessary at all.

In any case it should be interesting, but I do hope they have Arcanist in the 2.0 beta. It's their first pet class and I think it would be in their best interest to let people test it out to make sure they get it right.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

True. In FFXI I vowed to not get high level help and solo each of them myself, but I'm pretty sure SE wants to stick with them maintaining their god-like status this time around and will probably keep them as super bosses without toning them down for Summoner's sake. Fighting the avatar essences would have a similar feel, but probably more realistic.

Although I suppose it possible that we might fight the actual primals. Taking a look at the wiki it looks like with the first Ifrit fight he's level 35 which would be an appropriate boss challenge for a level 30 Summoner quest. I suppose it could go either way or maybe fighting them won't be necessary at all.

In any case it should be interesting, but I do hope they have Arcanist in the 2.0 beta. It's their first pet class and I think it would be in their best interest to let people test it out to make sure they get it right.

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Back in the FFXI days I actually wrote and drew a comic about a summoner. I came up with a system that was different then the usual for how this character obtained his summons as six fights just seemed kind of boring to draw.

What if each primal gave us a test, and the test would be something in relation to the primal. Like for example Titan would be a test of strength, Leviathan would be a test of intelligence. So on and so forth. Granted only titan's example made sense lol but I forgot what the tests I came up with way back when were.