2 Jobs Per Expansion is not enough.

With the expansion cycles becoming longer and longer, frankly only getting 2 jobs per expansion is unacceptable. There are so many ideas from other Final Fantasy games that can be pulled from, but we are stuck with getting only 2 every 3 years... That is not even 1 job per year. Compared to Heavensward, where we got 3 in record time... If someone is wanting a specific job to get in the game, all they can do is wait an atrociously long time just for their dream to be fulfilled. I want better than this.

We're probably going to get zero because they have to use all their resources on fixing the current jobs.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

We're probably going to get zero because they have to use all their resources on fixing the current jobs.

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I don't think so, one of the interviews with YoshiP had a quote where the community would find even cutting down to 1 job as "unacceptable".

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

We're probably going to get zero because they have to use all their resources on fixing the current jobs.

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Are we telling jokes or something? Because I'll eat my foot if they "fix" more than one job MAYBE with 8.0. SE these days likes to put in as little effort as possible while acting like it was some herculean effort and then state they'll do more in patches or the following expansion (almost always a lie). The day we get a complete overhaul for every job is the day I buy a damn lottery ticket.

Why stop at 3? make it 5, maybe 10, the skies the limit when you don't care about how the jobs play.

I liked the idea someone else suggested of adding split specialties at level 100 where like a PLD can split into tank or healer, WAR into tank or DPS, MNK into DPS or healer, etc.

I imagine it'll never be done but if we're just imagining that'd be cool.

All that would accomplish is delivering us to expansions with zero jobs that much faster and probably reducing the quality of those jobs and other content.

make them start at lvl 1 and give them more jobquests so people need longer to lvl them up

No new jobs = me not buying the new expansion.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

All that would accomplish is delivering us to expansions with zero jobs that much faster and probably reducing the quality of those jobs and other content.

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Not really? Final Fantasy as a series has had so many jobs that the sky's the limit for available options
And even if they do run out... They can always just make original jobs.

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Originally Posted by SyferU

Why stop at 3? make it 5, maybe 10, the skies the limit when you don't care about how the jobs play.

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I do care about how jobs play, and 8.0 is when Square said they will fix the job design. I just want more jobs, their design is a separate issue.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

make them start at lvl 1 and give them more jobquests so people need longer to lvl them up

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People are already complaining about not being able to use their full kit in low level content, this is probably just gonna make the problem worse

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Originally Posted by LanceSummers

Not really? Final Fantasy as a series has had so many jobs that the sky's the limit for available options
And even if they do run out... They can always just make original jobs.

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It's not a matter of running out of ideas. They're going to stop adding jobs eventually because the game having 40+ jobs would be a nightmare to maintain/balance and very daunting for a new player. Yoship himself has confirmed as much, go look it up.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

It's not a matter of running out of ideas. They're going to stop adding jobs eventually because the game having 40+ jobs would be a nightmare to maintain/balance and very daunting for a new player. Yoship himself has confirmed as much, go look it up.

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While this is true, I expect the day they announce "no more new jobs" to ring a death knell for the game. At that point SE will probably crank out a new MMO and throw this one into life support/maintenance mode.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

It's not a matter of running out of ideas. They're going to stop adding jobs eventually because the game having 40+ jobs would be a nightmare to maintain/balance and very daunting for a new player. Yoship himself has confirmed as much, go look it up.

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Wow does this. If ffxiv can't do it then legit what are they doing???

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Originally Posted by Selsix

Are we telling jokes or something? Because I'll eat my foot if they "fix" more than one job MAYBE with 8.0. SE these days likes to put in as little effort as possible while acting like it was some herculean effort and then state they'll do more in patches or the following expansion (almost always a lie). The day we get a complete overhaul for every job is the day I buy a damn lottery ticket.

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It says they have to get fixed, not that they will.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

It says they have to get fixed, not that they will.

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Not exactly. The direct wording states "probably". I'm saying the chances of that happening are essentially zero.

hard disagree, quality over quanitiy but in a perfect world both. IMO its time to stop adding new jobs and expand older jobs. The homogeny has gotten out of control with healers since shadowbringers and their dps "rotation" is two buttons. We need to either abolish the role system and let all jobs have variants that can fill different roles. no reason red mage lore wise can't be a dps or healer and paladin is basically all three roles in one already so designing modes for it should be easy.

Another idea i had was cross class animation glamours. maxing black mage and monk allows the monk to replace the animations for their attacks with a flame, lightning or ice enhanced version and black mage could kick their foul at the enemy! the potency wouldn't be altered so min maxers don't ruin your choice.

Hybrid jobs are another idea i toyed with if we must add a bunch more jobs. Example summoner+machinist unlocks a Kaze from final fantasy unlimited inspired job. You load magical soil filled bullets into the magun to fire out a summon at enemies.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-24-2026/VruojF.gif

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Originally Posted by Asari5

make them start at lvl 1 and give them more jobquests so people need longer to lvl them up

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Levelling from lvl 1 is miserable. Start them from 50 or 30 at the lowest.

the lvling experience being miserable is something they have to look at anyway. (i doubt they do though xD)
it doesnt just affect levelling but it goes also into why synching down is terrible... and synching down is such a big part in this game.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

All that would accomplish is delivering us to expansions with zero jobs that much faster and probably reducing the quality of those jobs and other content.

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Are the high-quality jobs located in the same room as us? :D

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Are the high-quality jobs located in the same room as us? :D

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They were found dead in a ditch in Rhalgr's Reach and Idyllshire.

Damn you Shadowbringers.

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Originally Posted by LanceSummers

Wow does this. If ffxiv can't do it then legit what are they doing???

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WoW might have 39 specs but that doesn't quite equal out to 39 unique jobs. And most of these specs share baseline kits and abilities no matter how differently they play so much so that Feral and Guardian once upon a time used to be the same spec. That would probably bring them closer in mind to balancing load to what FF14 currently has as with 8.0 we'll be going up to 24 full jobs and 2 limited jobs.

Also Blizzard does *NOT* balance well at all. They lurch between massive nerf hammers and major over corrections. Swinging wildly. What was once top of the pack in Season 1 of an expac will be bottom of the barrel by a large margin the next season because of their sheer inability to properly balance and this has been an issue for them since Vanilla.

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Originally Posted by LanceSummers

With the expansion cycles becoming longer and longer, frankly only getting 2 jobs per expansion is unacceptable. There are so many ideas from other Final Fantasy games that can be pulled from, but we are stuck with getting only 2 every 3 years... That is not even 1 job per year. Compared to Heavensward, where we got 3 in record time... If someone is wanting a specific job to get in the game, all they can do is wait an atrociously long time just for their dream to be fulfilled. I want better than this.

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As was pointed out earlier, the more jobs that are added the harder it becomes to balance the jobs for endgame content.

Those other Final Fantasy games, with the exception of 11, were single player games where balance is irrelevant. If you want to be playing all those other jobs, there are all those other FF games that you could be playing to have access.

The devs can't please every player. Expect most jobs from other FF games to never make it into FFXIV as standard playable jobs.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

No new jobs = me not buying the new expansion.

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Seems like a strange hill to take a stand on but to each their own.

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Originally Posted by LanceSummers

Wow does this. If ffxiv can't do it then legit what are they doing???

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WoW does which part and how successfully?

There was no new class in Midnight, though they did add a new spec to Demon Hunter so it would have the standard 3 instead of the previous 2. WoW has never added new classes each expansion and this was only the second time they added a new spec to an existing class. They've alternated between adding a new class and adding a new playable race.

WoW doesn't keep the classes/specs maintained or balanced to player satisfaction. Instead it's turned into a merry-go-round of guess which will be up for the next raid tier and which will be down. The Unholy Death Knight drama going on over there right now is pretty amusing. The spec was already underperforming compared to most and Blizzard just made it worse with a recent "fix". https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46

It's always easy to claim that another MMORPG is doing something but you're better off checking to see if its player base would agree they're doing it well or if it's mostly wasted effort.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

WoW does which part and how successfully?

There was no new class in Midnight, though they did add a new spec to Demon Hunter so it would have the standard 3 instead of the previous 2. WoW has never added new classes each expansion and this was only the second time they added a new spec to an existing class. They've alternated between adding a new class and adding a new playable race.

WoW doesn't keep the classes/specs maintained or balanced to player satisfaction. Instead it's turned into a merry-go-round of guess which will be up for the next raid tier and which will be down. The Unholy Death Knight drama going on over there right now is pretty amusing. The spec was already underperforming compared to most and Blizzard just made it worse with a recent "fix". https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46

It's always easy to claim that another MMORPG is doing something but you're better off checking to see if its player base would agree they're doing it well or if it's mostly wasted effort.

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Or just look at Windwalker Monk for it's entire existence. That poor spec has been a ping pong ball of top to bottom ever since it was introduced 14 years ago making it clear Blizzard has never known how to manage Monk as a whole or has made any real effort to properly manage it. They only just fixed the most glitched ability WW Monk had for fourteen years and they did that by just deleting it.

Yoshi-P in the past once said that a new job for each expansion is a bare minimum need for one.

Meanwhile FFXIV is apparently unique in just how balanced jobs are at high level, and I'm understanding that WoW instead likes to tweak jobs constantly so that "everyone gets to be the best at some point." I much prefer the FFXIV take to try to let you do anything and everything on your favorite verses suddenly being trash so another job can shine for a bit.

That was literally the issue Pictomancer had during FRU. It was too good and was an unfun time for other casters that were excellent at their job of choice because PCT just blew past them. Many just swapped to PCT and, even without experience, still did way better. That to me is toxic as hell.

Fun fact: FFXI's second expansion Chains of Promathia didn't come with new jobs but it was very well received.

I mean I'm all for more jobs but they can't even make a single one remotely interesting to play in their attempt at sanding down anything remotely engaging or favoring skill expression...

almost every expanson had 3 new jobs. the third is always AST

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

Yoshi-P in the past once said that a new job for each expansion is a bare minimum need for one.

Meanwhile FFXIV is apparently unique in just how balanced jobs are at high level, and I'm understanding that WoW instead likes to tweak jobs constantly so that "everyone gets to be the best at some point." I much prefer the FFXIV take to try to let you do anything and everything on your favorite verses suddenly being trash so another job can shine for a bit.

That was literally the issue Pictomancer had during FRU. It was too good and was an unfun time for other casters that were excellent at their job of choice because PCT just blew past them. Many just swapped to PCT and, even without experience, still did way better. That to me is toxic as hell.

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PCT was also just incredibly overtuned though, with it coming out on top of BLM in a nearly full-uptime fight like M4S. That's less a problem with job design and just their balancing being awful.
I also recall seeing many FRU PFs at the time being open to 2 caster comps instead of forcing the other casters out too, though maybe SMN specifically was being excluded since it was so weak at the time? I know MCH sometimes was.

Also I've heard that YoshiP used to warn players that if they wanted even harder content (Ultimates) picking the right comp would also become part of the challenge, but I don't know how true that one is.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

WoW might have 39 specs but that doesn't quite equal out to 39 unique jobs. And most of these specs share baseline kits and abilities no matter how differently they play so much so that Feral and Guardian once upon a time used to be the same spec. That would probably bring them closer in mind to balancing load to what FF14 currently has as with 8.0 we'll be going up to 24 full jobs and 2 limited jobs.

Also Blizzard does *NOT* balance well at all. They lurch between massive nerf hammers and major over corrections. Swinging wildly. What was once top of the pack in Season 1 of an expac will be bottom of the barrel by a large margin the next season because of their sheer inability to properly balance and this has been an issue for them since Vanilla.

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Depends on which expansion you look at because if something like wotlk, all of those are unique jobs and have totally different rotation which makes it very cool and fresh.

They can barely make the jobs we have distinct from each other, with people constantly whining to make BLU and BST just as bland as the rest.

Adding more jobs just feels like adding more gray mush at this point.

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Originally Posted by LanceSummers

With the expansion cycles becoming longer and longer, frankly only getting 2 jobs per expansion is unacceptable. There are so many ideas from other Final Fantasy games that can be pulled from, but we are stuck with getting only 2 every 3 years... That is not even 1 job per year. Compared to Heavensward, where we got 3 in record time... If someone is wanting a specific job to get in the game, all they can do is wait an atrociously long time just for their dream to be fulfilled. I want better than this.

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I agree. I would 3 per expansions if they are originals. At least have each region fanfest get a job mentioned & reveal. Its erks me that we have to wait for the EU fanfest to get a job reveal & JN fanfest to get the job reveal but nothing for the NA fanfest.