Make dungeons fun again

I started Endwalker and found the Dungeons have become "Dance Dance Revolution" where you have to learn a dance routine to progress. Even with NPCs and you tap dance with them to get to the magic spot, even before the warning is given, you still take a hit or a wipe. I guess that some players like the challenge while the casual player is just trying to have fun. Diablo solved this by allowing you to select difficulty. I don't want to have to spend time reviewing Youtube to play the game. And while 13 year old girls may like "Dance Dance Revolution" I don't. I was thinking of quitting but the FC raid leader said the end game raids are fun so I'll finish Downtrail, but I won't be buying any more expansions if the dungeons are just silly time waisters, how can any one have fun if they have to focus on the ground and be ready to dance.

That's unfortunately the direction they have chosen for their game to stand out in comparison to other MMOs, and it shows the higher level you go...

Variant style should be the default for all dungeons imo

Variant is DDR galore as much as everything else. They're even removing trash from the more difficult versions to make sure it's all about DDR bosses.

It's better than the "hallway to boss x3" than we have now.

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Originally Posted by xdandeman

I started Endwalker and found the Dungeons have become "Dance Dance Revolution" where you have to learn a dance routine to progress. Even with NPCs and you tap dance with them to get to the magic spot, even before the warning is given, you still take a hit or a wipe. I guess that some players like the challenge while the casual player is just trying to have fun. Diablo solved this by allowing you to select difficulty. I don't want to have to spend time reviewing Youtube to play the game. And while 13 year old girls may like "Dance Dance Revolution" I don't. I was thinking of quitting but the FC raid leader said the end game raids are fun so I'll finish Downtrail, but I won't be buying any more expansions if the dungeons are just silly time waisters, how can any one have fun if they have to focus on the ground and be ready to dance.

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Sadly girls toda won’t know what Dance Dance Revolution is.

“Before the warning is given”

Sometimes the ground indicator is not the warning. Examples of forms the warning may take: The name of the enemy skill (very common), an enemy animation (not common in dungeons), an icon on your or an group mates

I'm content with this dungeon style. I know what I'm getting, and I wont get disappointed, and I know how long a dungeon will last.

And from what I see downtrail is even worse, I guess they had too many subs and needed to shed casual players who don't want to study youtube and learn the dance moves. They sure got rid of my sub, all those hours of watching movies, guess I can go to youtube and finish the movie there.

Are you saying that dungeons require study or a guide? Because they definitely do not. If anything the usual complaint from the community is that dungeons are too easy to steamroll.

While it is true that normal dungeons are as scripted as DDR, they're also very forgiving as well. Imagine DDR where you can just miss half the arrows. Plus the telegraphs are large and obvious. (Which makes the dungeons unsatisfying to repeat for expert players, which causes the complaint of "too easy" when the problem is actually "not engaging".)

But this is by design. Dungeons are entry-level, casual content for story mode. Harder fights usually have slightly randomized scripts, personal responsibility mechanics, dps checks, and tighter execution requirements.

I mean all the endgame raids and extremes are the same kind of gameplay too, so not sure if you're expecting it to change much since it means 1 mistake = wipe.

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Originally Posted by Torquil

“Before the warning is given”

Sometimes the ground indicator is not the warning. Examples of forms the warning may take: The name of the enemy skill (very common), an enemy animation (not common in dungeons), an icon on your or an group mates

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See, this is fine. I enjoy the diverse ways of bosses indicating what they're about to do. HOWEVER, I hate that the indicators are wildly inconsistent. Boss raises their arm with a sword - do they cleave the side of the sword or do they cleave the other one? It can go either way. Doom works about 4 different ways depending on which fight you're doing, confusing new players. Ability names like "Dark II" or "Fire III" also don't tell you all that much. Standardise what the different tells mean across all content, then you can start tossing out mechanics more creatively. Right now, many fights are a "gotcha" where you either guess correctly or have to fail the mechanic at least once to find out how it works.

Certain people wanted dungeons to be this way so we got it. Community cried about fun dungeons, many routes, additional chests, lore rooms, all was "boring and we want quick dungeons!!!". so there ya go now.

Every expansion should have introduced new concepts for dungeons as a means to change things up. Imagine if the beginning of Heavenwards had us defend Ishgard from waves of Dragons, giving us the sense of threat the Ishgardians felt on a daily basis. What if Stormblood dungeons were mini versions of frontlines and/or include sieges where we have access to cannons like Rival Wings? Dungeons could be objective-based rather than just KILL .

This could even extend to raids. The coolest alliance raid in FFXIV is The Battle of Castrum Lacus Litore, where the group splits up but simultaneously works together. Every raid should have a group separate into different paths or complete a different objective (obviously have a means for parties to find each other should one wipe). This helps it feel somewhat fresh when queuing up.

Also, somewhat unrelated, but I don't understand why SE has to go back to previous dungeons and change them for the sake of the trusts. They could simply create a separate but smaller/quicker path when partying with them, reusing existing assets. They're mainly a stepping stone for the MSQ anyways and can include more lore but less rewards to entice people to run them together (I understand people want to solo for various reasons so don't feel like it should be removed entirely).

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Originally Posted by Shaboinky

Every expansion should have introduced new concepts for dungeons as a means to change things up. Imagine if the beginning of Heavenwards had us defend Ishgard from waves of Dragons, giving us the sense of threat the Ishgardians felt on a daily basis. What if Stormblood dungeons were mini versions of frontlines and/or include sieges where we have access to cannons like Rival Wings? Dungeons could be objective-based rather than just KILL .

This could even extend to raids. The coolest alliance raid in FFXIV is The Battle of Castrum Lacus Litore, where the group splits up but simultaneously works together. Every raid should have a group separate into different paths or complete a different objective (obviously have a means for parties to find each other should one wipe). This helps it feel somewhat fresh when queuing up.

Also, somewhat unrelated, but I don't understand why SE has to go back to previous dungeons and change them for the sake of the trusts. They could simply create a separate but smaller/quicker path when partying with them, reusing existing assets. They're mainly a stepping stone for the MSQ anyways and can include more lore but less rewards to entice people to run them together (I understand people want to solo for various reasons so don't feel like it should be removed entirely).

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Square changing up content every expansion used to be done via the jobs and it’s why 14 used to feel so fresh

Tired of the feeling of the gameplay, it would be strongly overhauled next expansion and while it may not always be popular it would be fresh

Now we are stewing in game design that hasn’t changed since ShB which launched 8 years ago