Scrapped guild?

So I was around Limsa Upper near the cullinarian guild and I saw this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...822&height=463

If the sign color key (which are persistent between cities), its pointing to a guild that doesnt exist. It makes it seem like the admirals gunslinger class was going to be available at one point but might have been scrapped?

Yeah, I believe a "Musketeer" class/job was intended, I'm not sure if it's holdover from 1.0 or was meant to be a new 2.0 class. Interesting how they never removed it. Obviously we have MCH now so it's hard to imagine how Musketeer could see the light of day. Maybe if combined with Cannoneer. A dual-pistol job sounds neat especially with no lunchbox.

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Originally Posted by Destati

Obviously we have MCH now so it's hard to imagine how Musketeer could see the light of day.

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We have 6 Jobs that use some style of sword, PLD DRK GNB SAM VPR RDM, I think it is fair to say another gun job that uses its gun in a completely different manner would be fine.

I vote Gunner.

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Originally Posted by Destati

Yeah, I believe a "Musketeer" class/job was intended, I'm not sure if it's holdover from 1.0 or was meant to be a new 2.0 class.

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It is pretty much just a remnant of 1.0
Musketeer was one of the planned classes during 1.0, together with Fencer, Enforcer, Arcanist (supposedly very different from the one we got), Mystic and Assassin.

They did advertise Machinist in the MSQ by having Merlwyb do things with a gun. But due to it being a Heavensward job, they placed it in Ishgard. If they made the job today, they would obviously have put it in Limsa Lominsa, probably where ever that sign is pointing.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

It is pretty much just a remnant of 1.0
Musketeer was one of the planned classes during 1.0, together with Fencer, Enforcer, Arcanist (supposedly very different from the one we got), Mystic and Assassin.

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That is so cool to learn. I kind of wish these got realised

From what I understand most of those planned but never implemented classes either never really existed in any tangeable form save a name and a rough idea how it was meant to function, and what was done on them has undoutabley been cannibialized for current Jobs (MSK clearly was used for MCH - so much so a 1.0 MSK NPC was involved in the early MCH Job quests to teach the player gunplay, FCR probably was built on for RDM, Mystic served as AST's foundation, etc etc).

I have heard anecdotes though about 1.0's Alpha test that MSK and 1.0 ACN did get to a playable stage and were in fact playable by testers, but for whatever reason were quickly removed and never brought back upon 1.0's release. Whether that is true or not I cannot say, as I was not on the 1.0 Alpha or Beta tests, and NDA would still probably be in effect for it anyway, so it's entirelly possible it's just an urban legend.

There was also a fourth Disciple of the Land (gatherer) class called Shepherd that was never implemented either, but had a class icon and a locked guildhall in 1.0 Falcon's Nest (unlike the MSK's Guild, this did not survive into ARR).

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

From what I understand most of those planned but never implemented classes either never really existed in any tangeable form save a name and a rough idea how it was meant to function, and what was done on them has undoutabley been cannibialized for current Jobs (MSK clearly was used for MCH - so much so a 1.0 MSK NPC was involved in the early MCH Job quests to teach the player gunplay, FCR probably was built on for RDM, Mystic served as AST's foundation, etc etc).

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Yeah, most of them were incredibly barebones if not in early concept stages and never got released. The most we have is the Musketeer NPCs in the Marauder's guild that existed in 1.0 and still do now, with a flintlock pistol and a basic shooting animation.

I wouldn't even be surprised if the ideas for Musketeer and old Arcanist were merged into Machinist, since 1.0 Arcanist was supposed to use some kind of aether gadgets.
Although I wouldn't say no to a gunslinger job with less pointless flips and rocket launchers.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

There was also a fourth Disciple of the Land (gatherer) class called Shepherd that was never implemented either, but had a class icon and a locked guildhall in 1.0 Falcon's Nest (unlike the MSK's Guild, this did not survive into ARR).

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This one should honestly make a comeback. I imagine it was meant to be for collecting the monster materials like meat, feathers, bones, scales, etc that we currently have to farm by laboriously killing enemies that drop them or sending out combat retainers.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I wouldn't even be surprised if the ideas for Musketeer and old Arcanist were merged into Machinist, since 1.0 Arcanist was supposed to use some kind of aether gadgets.
Although I wouldn't say no to a gunslinger job with less pointless flips and rocket launchers.

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I picture something similar to how Lady plays in Devil May Cry 4 (just minus the rocket launcher)

Yeah, a regular gunner is a really highly requested job as Machinist drifts further and further away. Shoot, the quest series has us hunting down our Lominsan corsair trainer that bailed from the job in Ishgard. It was SUPPOSED to be Machinist, but not anymore.

From what I understand, 1.x was supposed to get a Musketeer class, but as the game failed it never got added... Then ARR never added it either.

It probably would've been MCH's base class, but they decided to stop doing that in HW.

Arguably, Machinist was always "Tools first, guns second" because Edgar never used a gun yet almost every single Tool he used has been lifted for Machinist to use (only Noiseblaster, Flash, and Debilitator are unaccounted for). Even with regards to Mustadio, its job's main gimmick was the Snipe skills with Head Graze and Foot Graze effectively being Arm Shot and Leg Shot (only Seal Evil was left out) with guns not being exclusive to his job. Not to say there shouldn't be a primarily gun skill using job ala Musketeer/Gunner/Corsair/Cannoneer/etc, but rather I get why FF14 Machinist leans more on Tools and debuffs (including Dismantle) than full gunplay.

But speaking of axed content from 1.0, the Pugilists Guild's attached "Platinum Mirage" was probably going to be the game's "mini-game hub" in Ul'dah (complete with its own dice signage) but was likely replaced by the Gold Saucer in function while being made into a separate zone.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Arguably, Machinist was always "Tools first, guns second"

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The original implementation in Heavensward was very gun-oriented. Literally just cartridges and recharging them. The main machine we had was a turret. But it felt less exciting to play than Bard did through Stormblood, so they reworked it to focus on machines and tools.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

But speaking of axed content from 1.0, the Pugilists Guild's attached "Platinum Mirage" was probably going to be the game's "mini-game hub" in Ul'dah (complete with its own dice signage) but was likely replaced by the Gold Saucer in function while being made into a separate zone.

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It's pretty funny that to this day the NPC still talks about it being this exclusive club, when it was never more than a closed elevator door with no elevator inside.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

We have 6 Jobs that use some style of sword, PLD DRK GNB SAM VPR RDM, I think it is fair to say another gun job that uses its gun in a completely different manner would be fine.

I vote Gunner.

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I personally think a Corsair would be cool, they can dual wield a cutlass and a pistol

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

From what I understand most of those planned but never implemented classes either never really existed in any tangeable form save a name and a rough idea how it was meant to function, and what was done on them has undoutabley been cannibialized for current Jobs (MSK clearly was used for MCH - so much so a 1.0 MSK NPC was involved in the early MCH Job quests to teach the player gunplay, FCR probably was built on for RDM, Mystic served as AST's foundation, etc etc).

I have heard anecdotes though about 1.0's Alpha test that MSK and 1.0 ACN did get to a playable stage and were in fact playable by testers, but for whatever reason were quickly removed and never brought back upon 1.0's release. Whether that is true or not I cannot say, as I was not on the 1.0 Alpha or Beta tests, and NDA would still probably be in effect for it anyway, so it's entirelly possible it's just an urban legend.

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From what I recall, the producer back then had told us 1.0 beta players that Musketeer would be out at release. Then after release we were told it would come in a later patch. Which obviously never happened. That there was a guild set up shows that it was probably further along than the Fencer, etc which I think were just placeholders.

The NPC you’re probably thinking of though was the MRD NPC. 1.0 MRD quests were completely different and we joined Rostensthal to make a pirate crew of two. His link to Musketeer is that in the 1.0 Limsa quests we go to the Musketeer guild to try our hand at shooting guns and we have it taken away from us by Rayner after recognizing that we hold it in the same manner as Sthalmann.

Arcanist was also probably pretty far along and it was actually Urianger’s job in 1.0. Back then, GMs would also show up as NPCs and talk to players. Urianger GM would wander around talking about the end times and I saw a GM playing him putting down these weird trap things I didn’t understand and then get his butt beaten by a super high level mob in Thanalan when he was trying to show off. The Arcanist staff Urianger used ended up being reused as the model for the guns the Gnath use.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Arguably, Machinist was always "Tools first, guns second" because Edgar never used a gun yet almost every single Tool he used has been lifted for Machinist to use (only Noiseblaster, Flash, and Debilitator are unaccounted for). Even with regards to Mustadio, its job's main gimmick was the Snipe skills with Head Graze and Foot Graze effectively being Arm Shot and Leg Shot (only Seal Evil was left out) with guns not being exclusive to his job. Not to say there shouldn't be a primarily gun skill using job ala Musketeer/Gunner/Corsair/Cannoneer/etc, but rather I get why FF14 Machinist leans more on Tools and debuffs (including Dismantle) than full gunplay.

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Oh that's why "Defibrillator" (as a rez) is such a popular request for a Machinist skill to give it a massive utility buff. It's got a precedent.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

The original implementation in Heavensward was very gun-oriented. Literally just cartridges and recharging them. The main machine we had was a turret. But it felt less exciting to play than Bard did through Stormblood, so they reworked it to focus on machines and tools.

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My point was that Machinist worked a certain way prior to being added to FF14, so it being more gun-focused when it was originally added to this game was an oddity that they felt the need to expand on/course correct later.

But if they want to add a true gunplay job, there's other options that fit that playstyle better than trying to twist MCH back in that direction.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I wouldn't say no to a gunslinger job with less pointless flips and rocket launchers.

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We used to have one – it was called machinist...

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

It's pretty funny that to this day the NPC still talks about it being this exclusive club, when it was never more than a closed elevator door with no elevator inside.

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The Platinum Mirage is used as a setting in the ARR beast tribe capstone quest, but you never get to explore freely.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

The Arcanist staff Urianger used ended up being reused as the model for the guns the Gnath use.

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There's one spot in ARR where he's still (probably accidentally) equipped with it while sitting at the Waking Sands.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

My point was that Machinist worked a certain way prior to being added to FF14, so it being more gun-focused when it was originally added to this game was an oddity that they felt the need to expand on/course correct later.

But if they want to add a true gunplay job, there's other options that fit that playstyle better than trying to twist MCH back in that direction.

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And HW MCH was a gunner with two turrets you could set up with a slower "sniper mode" adding short cast bars for increased damage with the original form of guass barrel. It was absolutely our gun job, but the failure of the caster mode put on it and Bard forced a redesign and Machinist has pretty much entirely drifted away from guns. The 123 combo where you actually use that rifle is the filler at this point verses being the foundation of their rotation.

The version we have now could be better compared to Gadgeteer, having a gear box they would pull items out to cast their skills. But that job isn't a gunner, it's a tanky brawler for Moogle units in Tactics A2.

While I feel like we have a better chance for a blitzball/Wakka inspired job as our next ranger, the devs could absolutely justify another job that uses guns and make it ONLY use guns. We have different jobs with swords, staves, or books as their weapon with entirely different ability sets so why not?

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

While I feel like we have a better chance for a blitzball/Wakka inspired job as our next ranger, the devs could absolutely justify another job that uses guns and make it ONLY use guns.

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Gunner, Yuna's default Dressphere in X-2, it would still give a FFX connection if they want that for some reason, give us a proper gun Job, so on.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

We used to have one – it was called machinist...

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I know, but it hasn't been since the 5.0 rework and by now is so far removed from the original Machinist that we might as well create an entirely new gun job.

Actually, considering they deleted almost every mechanic almost 7 years ago we could just take Heavensward Machinist as it was, tweak it a bit, and release it as Gunslinger...and few people would even notice that it's not new.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

And HW MCH was a gunner with two turrets you could set up with a slower "sniper mode" adding short cast bars for increased damage with the original form of guass barrel. It was absolutely our gun job, but the failure of the caster mode put on it and Bard forced a redesign and Machinist has pretty much entirely drifted away from guns.

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I think the main issue was Bard. Machinist was at least designed around cast bars from the ground up, but Bard was shoehorned into it and everyone that played the job in ARR absolutely hated caster Bard.

You can see the flipside in Stormblood where they reversed that decision again and Bard was one of the most fun jobs, while Machinist became a barely functional mess.