Sightseeing - Please bring back some like ARR

I get that the sighseeing from ARR it's not for everyone.

But it was fun. For the people who enjoy to explore, solve riddle and do jumping puzzle, it would be very nice to have back sightseeing taht requiere special combinaison of weather, hard location to reach, and not just do "lookout" emote like it have been in HW, SB, ShB, EW and DT.

Right now, they are kind of boring.

Actually, a number of sightseeing vistas after ARR do have specific requirements to attain other than just 'do the emote on the visible spot' (the one on top of the lampost in Kugane requiring a convoluted jumping puzzle to reach springs to mind, then there's the one inside the Crystarium on top of a tent that also requires a specialized and well timed jump to reach, and that one in the Ruby Sea that although is easy to reach has a very very brief window at only 6am each morning in only clear or fair weather where you have to face the rising sun).

So the harder ARR style ones still exist in the expansions, all that's changed is they're now easier to spot and the harder ones with tighter requirements are more few, but they are there.

Well I just cleared the DT one because I never did them before and they felt boring.

They should remove the bubble that show that a sightseeing is there. It's more fun to look for them than having everything given.

I also didn't found any jumping puzzle, or special weather (or I was just lucky?)

ARR one wasn't visible with that huge bubble, and I remember that many were hard to reach, which is part of the fun hunting for them

I would be willing to deal without the visible glowing spots and having to do emotes other than /lookout... But I don't want the whole system of needing to be at a place at the correct time of day during the correct weather.

there are two jumping puzzles in tuliyollal but only one of them is in the incognita if i'm remembering correctly

No thanks, trying to clear the Sightseeing Log up through Stormblood was a pain, and for all that stupid effort I've never even used the damn Crimson Explorer title.

Not everything needs to be hair-pulling content.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Not everything needs to be hair-pulling content.

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Not everything needs to be braindead either. Some people enjoy puzzles and riddle.

ARR sightseeing are not for everyone, and it's perfectly fine like that. Savage and ultimate is not for everyone too.

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Originally Posted by AlliciaCapulet

Not everything needs to be braindead either. Some people enjoy puzzles and riddle.

ARR sightseeing are not for everyone, and it's perfectly fine like that. Savage and ultimate is not for everyone too.

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I question how much content in this game is actually "brain dead" when Square-Enix loves doing that "tee hee, we made it Savage" meme as a capstone on everything.

The Kugane Tower alone makes Sightseeing Logs into non-casual content even though there's no fights, and can render all previous efforts pointless if one gets stuck on those two.

My take on Sightseeing Log is, it's not meant to be challenging, it is meant to guide the player around to landmarks on the maps, sometimes those landmarks are in challenging spots, see: Kugane Tower, and it is an opportunity for the devs to put a jumping puzzle into the game, but the main point is that the sight from up there is pretty cool.


The main problem with ARR logs is that they aren't truly challenging, at least to most, people will just look it up and look up when it will be available, which turns the whole process into just waiting, hardly the most thrilling experience.

The lack of bubble worked for ARR because the maps were a lot more compact and points of interest would quickly become familiar.
Newer maps have way too much space and places to step on to force players to do an invisible tile hunt.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Newer maps have way too much space and places to step on to force players to do an invisible tile hunt.

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The easy fix to that is having the hints be more descriptive/less cryptic and making the vista larger. Even if it were super easy it'd still be more engaging than what we have now.

I don't miss the weather/time combinations. Some of those were rare and difficult to get if you couldn't be online at the exact 3 minute window that only occurred once or twice a month.

I do miss the vista descriptions that gave us the chance to puzzle out where the vista was and what emote to use on our own if we wanted. I had figured out quite a few of the ARR spots before I finally had to break down and start using online resources to find the rest.

Those that don't want to figure them out can go straight to the online resources.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

The Kugane Tower alone makes Sightseeing Logs into non-casual content even though there's no fights, and can render all previous efforts pointless if one gets stuck on those two.

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And Blue Mage turned it back into casual content. I've taken friends (and the occasional stranger) up Kugane Tower several times now, not to mention all the rezzing straight to the lamppost.

I won't say it renders getting the other points pointless. It's only pointless if your only goal was to unlock the paintings, in which case it was pointless to start in the first place. You can always get a friend who has completed the sightseeing logs to buy any paintings you want for you.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

My take on Sightseeing Log is, it's not meant to be challenging, it is meant to guide the player around to landmarks on the maps, sometimes those landmarks are in challenging spots, see: Kugane Tower, and it is an opportunity for the devs to put a jumping puzzle into the game, but the main point is that the sight from up there is pretty cool.


The main problem with ARR logs is that they aren't truly challenging, at least to most, people will just look it up and look up when it will be available, which turns the whole process into just waiting, hardly the most thrilling experience.

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Whether someone finds them challenging or not, figuring out vistas on your own can be fun depending on what you personally think is fun. Not everyone wants the answers fed to them via an online website or YouTube video.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

And Blue Mage turned it back into casual content. I've taken friends (and the occasional stranger) up Kugane Tower several times now, not to mention all the rezzing straight to the lamppost.

I won't say it renders getting the other points pointless. It's only pointless if your only goal was to unlock the paintings, in which case it was pointless to start in the first place. You can always get a friend who has completed the sightseeing logs to buy any paintings you want for you.

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I'm aware of the Blue Mage Self-Destruct trick, I even logged out on the lampost after I got up there the first time and the next day made a PF offering to help people get up there. Of course, being Dynamis, only three people actually showed up over the course of 4 hours...

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that I don't keep these screenshots around to brag about completing the jumps on my own (I even made the leap of faith FIRST TRY unless you think I re-climbed the whole tower in 9 minutes), I keep them to point out that even though I accomplished the BS task, I still think its BS, and to quiet anyone who tries to pull the "how can you say you hate the content until you do it!?" card. (Incidentally, it also shows I've done one of the long and inane gather achievements for ARR fishing.)

https://i.imgur.com/TAmPkSL.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/ohxnSQJ.jpeg

I have earned Crimson Explorer on my own, and I STILL hate how needlessly hard Sightseeing Logs become once you reach Stormblood and don't blame anyone for giving up on the logs part way through or not even bothering to unlock them at all. I also had no qualms TRIVIALIZING the very same difficult thing I completed with offering to revive people up there, because I don't obsess over ego and flexing like a lot of other players do.

If anything I feel stupid, not proud, for wasting my time on it and dragged my heels on doing the Shadowbringer logs despite them being far easier because I just hated doing Sightseeing Logs at that point, and I wholly blame Stormblood for that.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I don't miss the weather/time combinations. Some of those were rare and difficult to get if you couldn't be online at the exact 3 minute window that only occurred once or twice a month.

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Those are not the one I miss too, but the point of my post here is just that I find them too easy now and in fact I don't even understand their purpose now, it adds no value to the game vs the ones from ARR.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Not everyone wants the answers fed to them via an online website or YouTube video.

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This is one of the big sad part of the majority of the community of that game. Even when the content is freshly new, 1-2 days new, we have people on PF that are like "WATCH HECTOR STRAT" and when you tell you want to go blind to have the fun of figuring out the fight, many just drop of the party because "they don't have time to waste, they need their clear ASAP". So they'll just reproduce what another player did, without even trying it by themself first.

I don't know why many are so affraid when things takes time to be done, and when we need to think a little...