For future New Jobs

Please give us a option to start the new Job at level 1. Starting a new job at high levels can be extremely overwhelming when you see so many abilities just staring at you.... especially Viper. I really wanted to play it cause it looked cool.but I get extremely overwhelmed when I look at their abilities and just dont touch it.. I perfer to start at level 1 and learn the new job at my own pace.

PLEASE CONSIDER THIS

i've seen a lot of people over the years who were overwhelmed by that. some delayed leveling new jobs just because of that or dont try them at all.

I believe the reason is that they don't produce lower level gear. Which means they do not go below 80 and add a moogle weapon, a Ramuh weapon, a Ravana weapon etc for Viper, nor old artifact gear. They already produced 20 levels worth of weapons for Viper, which is like 3 expansions' worth of them.

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

Please give us a option to start the new Job at level 1. Starting a new job at high levels can be extremely overwhelming when you see so many abilities just staring at you.... especially Viper. I really wanted to play it cause it looked cool.but I get extremely overwhelmed when I look at their abilities and just dont touch it.. I perfer to start at level 1 and learn the new job at my own pace.

PLEASE CONSIDER THIS

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Because of this, I don't even bother to learn the rotation until level 100. Icy Veins have nice guides on opening rotations.

https://www.icy-veins.com/ffxiv/viper-guide
https://www.icy-veins.com/ffxiv/vipe...ners-abilities

Do Palace of the Dead, and gradually assign actions to your hotbar one at a time while trying them out as if you were levelling from 1. That's what I usually do.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I believe the reason is that they don't produce lower level gear. Which means they do not go below 80 and add a moogle weapon, a Ramuh weapon, a Ravana weapon etc for Viper, nor old artifact gear. They already produced 20 levels worth of weapons for Viper, which is like 3 expansions' worth of them.

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They can still add gear without having it to be specifically onto ARR EX fights, like how NIN was able to wear some striking pieces at those levels.

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Originally Posted by MikeCake

They can still add gear without having it to be specifically onto ARR EX fights, like how NIN was able to wear some striking pieces at those levels.

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That is not how it works, at all. Old ARR trials, at times, gave weapons on normal mode as well, i.e. Garuda (Hard). And because SE wants a 'polished' experience - whether or not they succeed - that means putting the level threshold high enough to avoid issues regarding the ARR stuff, as well as dungeon weapons such as Lakeland weapons (very pretty and also probably obnoxious for them to do that for every leveling dungeon!).

Something like Viper could have really used the flow-chart in game for their basic weaponskills.

Or you look at a skill and it has requirements to use, but then you have to hunt down what gives this requirement of each skill in your toolbox.

For example SAM's Zanshin needs Zanshin ready, but nothing tells me where it's from unless I find it in the tool tip for Ikishoten. Or Tendo Setsugekka which just has a "when requirements are met".

So you end up looking all over, trying to keep track of where each trigger is coming from. Or you just end up going to a third party site where it's all clearly explained.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

That is not how it works, at all. Old ARR trials, at times, gave weapons on normal mode as well, i.e. Garuda (Hard). And because SE wants a 'polished' experience - whether or not they succeed - that means putting the level threshold high enough to avoid issues regarding the ARR stuff, as well as dungeon weapons such as Lakeland weapons (very pretty and also probably obnoxious for them to do that for every leveling dungeon!).

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Even without the ARR gear, new jobs still exist just not at level one, if they could make one weapon that adjusts stat every 10 levels this wouldn't be a problem. But thats going on a tangent here, what about the skills each job has?
Older jobs are more fleshed out at lower levels, while news ones do absolutely nothing than 2-3 gcds at lower levels, that kind of design is not engaging at all.

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Originally Posted by MikeCake

Even without the ARR gear, new jobs still exist just not at level one, if they could make one weapon that adjusts stat every 10 levels this wouldn't be a problem. But thats going on a tangent here, what about the skills each job has?
Older jobs are more fleshed out at lower levels, while news ones do absolutely nothing than 2-3 gcds at lower levels, that kind of design is not engaging at all.

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They actually did it with Blue Mage. Their weapon has no stats at all. That is how it is able to start at level 1. Instead of weapon stats, they massively buffed their damage in their traits. However, they can't do this with a regular job, obviously.

The stat increase every 10 levels could work because they do it with earrings and they stop being useful after a certain level. They could get away with it with gear as well if they restrict the gear to the job.

I'm conflicted on this...

Weapon would be easily solvable by, for example making it be a level 1 weapon, with 770 item level, and just have it so that the attributes and secondary stats are scaled with level, just exactly with the bonus exp earrings we always get...

But, EXP would be an issue because it would mean that players would then need to level from 1-100 and then do story and so forth... Which is an issue when you look at it from the perspective they've basically designed it this way to give players ample time to experience everything from the new expansion without being pressured to do so.. Which I think it would add pressure for those that want to experience everything in time for raids whilst having the jobs and everything ready...

Like, you will lose all of your armory bonus very quickly... I don't think the new jobs are insurmountable.. Just spend a little time reading the job guide on their website and it will tell you everything you need to know about playing the job at a 'reasonable' level for someone doing main scenario.

I just read the ability information, build my hotbars as best I can, then experiment with Deep Dungeon and Duty Support.

The idea of having to delay getting that shiny new job in current content that's level 100 plus at this point is a bigger deterrent than starting 20 levels below cap and expected to learn from there.

Have some faith in yourselves.

The issue around needing to add weapons could be circumvented by making their starting weapon a scaling item, take the Weathered Twinfangs VPR gets for example, instead of being a level 80 iLvl 515, it could instead be a level 1 scaling weapon that scales up to level 80 iLvl 515, considering someone would already be taking a penalty of losing a LOT of XP by choosing to start at level 1, making the weapon simply scale and make gearing process easier would be a fair trade.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

But, EXP would be an issue because it would mean that players would then need to level from 1-100 and then do story and so forth... Which is an issue when you look at it from the perspective they've basically designed it this way to give players ample time to experience everything from the new expansion without being pressured to do so.. Which I think it would add pressure for those that want to experience everything in time for raids whilst having the jobs and everything ready...

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This could be in itself circumvented by letting the player choose to start at level 1, rather than being enforced, and make "start at cap minus 20" standard be the default setting.