Yoshi please buff smn...

I was there. I played as a ruin mage and I played as a dot mage and I will say this iteration of smn is a lot more appealing. But I'm not going to sit here and say that this is the dream smn role playing. It's argueable to say the least...like no really... So this is how I would fix Summoner.

DMG!!!
Just more dmg across the board...HOLY its not even close. smn is barely out dpsing ranged physical and redmage has more utilities than us...look at the dmg statistics for the new savage... https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/73 ...like either give us more utilities or remove them and just give us more dmg...

Carbuncle opened up a store called Carby Utilities
Speaking of utilities (if were going to keep them)..WHY ARE WE COMMITING A WHOLE BUTTON TO A SOLAR BAHAMUT HEAL...Like its not even on my hotbar that's how bad it is....If it was an off global super carbuncle summon just to heal...At least that would be on my hot bar because it's carby....Also while I'm on that topic, why is carby just not our rez. I mean were commiting a whole global to it, lets give carby some action. I'm sure everyone wants to see the grim reaper when they die but instead they see a carby on top of them giving shock therapy.

SMNS
Regardless of dmg, Garuda/Titan/Regular Bahamut/phoenix is fine for the most part just small things...
Ifrit - The Ifrit charges are fine...It's the two casts that I have issues with...like just make them instant Ifrit claw slash/punches. Thrown slashes or not...I legit don't understand the point of having the dashes just to do point blank casts...visa versa
Titan - Small detail but when you summon titan why doesn't he shatter the ground he lands on...Titan's thick boi...I believe he does than in his fight (could be wrong).
Garuda - Garuda is fine??? I can't really think of anything...
Phoenix - same.
Bahamut - Same. Akmorn feels great. Give us a third one...I want to replicate coils mechanic with stacking akmorns.
Solar Bahamut - Complete opposite to its sibling...feels too floaty. no weight to the akmorns. Hell make him come out and ONLY SPAM AKMORN. Like how do we replicate/cause the trauma that bahamut caused on eorzea. Remove solar bahamut heal. Not sure why he has a heal...

I'm sure everyone has said this but...MORE SMNS...This was a given...
After smning regular bahamut/phoenix, instead of garuda/titan/ifrit. we get 3 other gems....IDK Ramuh/leviathan/odin???

Good news, they are increasing Summoner's damage in 7.41 with the following:

Searing Flash - Potency has been increased from 600 to 700.
Umbral Impulse - Potency has been increased from 620 to 640.
Umbral Flare - Potency has been increased from 280 to 300.
Sunflare - Potency has been increased from 800 to 1,000.

From the patch notes.

SMN, while being the most brainless class ever created, was getting dangerously close to rphys levels of bad damage, and evidently we couldn't have a caster be there, so it had to be buffed in an emergency.

Please you must understand.

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Originally Posted by Valence

SMN, while being the most brainless class ever created, was getting dangerously close to rphys levels of bad damage, and evidently we couldn't have a caster be there, so it had to be buffed in an emergency.

Please you must understand.

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“We balance our jobs based on their difficulty”

- Summoner is above Machinist and Dancer

So, they’re telling us Summoner is more difficult than Machinist and Dancer? Hmmmm….

Lol

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Originally Posted by Connor

“We balance our jobs based on their difficulty”

- Summoner is above Machinist and Dancer

So, they’re telling us Summoner is more difficult than Machinist and Dancer? Hmmmm….

Lol

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Dont forget VPR apparently being 3 times more difficult than BRD

oh but "PCT is just as easy as SMN because PCT has Smudge while SMN's forced to gap close", or so I've been told from the JP board.

which I guess is a problem if you're terrible at preplanning, which is like the entire and only gimmick of EW SMN.

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Originally Posted by Valence

SMN, while being the most brainless class ever created, was getting dangerously close to rphys levels of bad damage, and evidently we couldn't have a caster be there, so it had to be buffed in an emergency.

Please you must understand.

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I mean, one role gets shafted in damage numbers while the other gets shafted in their gameplay (at least two of them).
I don't think there is a winner or looser here.

Theres no role that gets "shafted" melee is so much easier than physical ranged and casters now in high end content every strategy used is melee full uptime just pressing their buttons. DNC and BRD are full focus on the procs the songs the dots melee is the easiest role in the game in high end content and for some reason SE has decided it should do more damage its just ridiculous to be honest. Casters should be at the top at least the casters that need to cast, physical ranged next and melee last in terms of damage

I’m happy about the buff it got, but really it should be buffed more. Balance should be about utility, not difficulty. Why? Because it’s not a solo game. When you bring a job to a group, the group largely is interested in damage and utility, not how easy it is to play for that person. As summoner is not the caster with the most utility, it should not do the least damage, or else why would a group ever want it?

Also, anyone calling it “brainless” must only use it against a training dummy, as it is a job that gets its difficulty from the fight rather than from its rotation.

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Originally Posted by -Xenia-

I’m happy about the buff it got, but really it should be buffed more. Balance should be about utility, not difficulty. Why? Because it’s not a solo game. When you bring a job to a group, the group largely is interested in damage and utility, not how easy it is to play for that person. As summoner is not the caster with the most utility, it should not do the least damage, or else why would a group ever want it?

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This isn't quite so clean-cut, as you can see from the swaths of Summoners and ease of finding PRanged on new fights: As these jobs are more mobile and Summoner in particular has less oGCDs to weave, their chances of wiping the groups due to missing mechanics is somewhat~significantly lower.

While mostly a problem when progging, this also exists afterwards. Jobs that are, for lack of a better word, "easier" cause less wipes, ultimately improving reliability and hence speed of reclear evenings. This effect is an actual upside of bringing that job, one that has to be balanced somehow in other jobs that have more stuff to fit between mechanics or can less readily pre-position and move early.

It's not a huge effect of course, and I certainly don't disagree that SQEX overdoes it right now, but the effect still exists. As evident, like I said, by how group compositions change as tiers age.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I mean, one role gets shafted in damage numbers while the other gets shafted in their gameplay (at least two of them).
I don't think there is a winner or looser here.

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I don't think there is either.
I hoped to convey the irony of my post as much as I could, else it would just sound like crab bucket.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

This isn't quite so clean-cut, as you can see from the swaths of Summoners and ease of finding PRanged on new fights: As these jobs are more mobile and Summoner in particular has less oGCDs to weave, their chances of wiping the groups due to missing mechanics is somewhat~significantly lower.

While mostly a problem when progging, this also exists afterwards. Jobs that are, for lack of a better word, "easier" cause less wipes, ultimately improving reliability and hence speed of reclear evenings. This effect is an actual upside of bringing that job, one that has to be balanced somehow in other jobs that have more stuff to fit between mechanics or can less readily pre-position and move early.

It's not a huge effect of course, and I certainly don't disagree that SQEX overdoes it right now, but the effect still exists. As evident, like I said, by how group compositions change as tiers age.

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Is it though?

Like there is no denying that the lack of uptime constraints can make a job more reliable, but what about rotational complexity? Job APM? If those make the player tunnel on their rotation it's not going to make the job more reliable. Your statement posits that those other factors are equal between each job, but they aren't. MCH having higher APM is significant enough to keep some players busy and miss a cue. BRD and DNC having procs and priorities to manage can also play into this.

And then, there is the total lack of mobility options on BRD and MCH, which means that yes, less probabilities to mess up due to uptime constraints or greed, but also more probabilities to mess on execution otherwise, because literally any other job has some form of mobility tool that can act as an "I did an oopsie" get out of jail free card, but BRD and MCH don't have that luxury allowing them to play sloppy. The execution must be on point most of the time.

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Originally Posted by -Xenia-

Also, anyone calling it “brainless” must only use it against a training dummy, as it is a job that gets its difficulty from the fight rather than from its rotation.

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Like what, having to adjust around boss downtime because the primal rotation is so basic and stiff that it has issues when you have to delay bursting?

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Originally Posted by Valence

And then, there is the total lack of mobility options on BRD and MCH, which means that yes, less probabilities to mess up due to uptime constraints or greed, but also more probabilities to mess on execution otherwise, because literally any other job has some form of mobility tool that can act as an "I did an oopsie" get out of jail free card, but BRD and MCH don't have that luxury allowing them to play sloppy. The execution must be on point most of the time

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Isn’t Repelling Shot a mobility option?

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Originally Posted by Connor

Isn’t Repelling Shot a mobility option?

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You got me there. Incredible tool.

I think I can sprint almost as fast

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Originally Posted by Valence

You got me there. Incredible tool.

I think I can sprint almost as fast

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I mean, it does pretty much suck lol, but it’s still there. It’s good for when you can’t be bothered moving I guess? Lol

I mean it's not like En Avant ist actually faster than just moving, due to the weird delay inherent to ~all abilities in this game.

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I mean, it does pretty much suck lol, but it’s still there. It’s good for when you can’t be bothered moving I guess? Lol

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It's good for freestyle points when I'm bored

Until I backstep into le bad because the angle with my target was off and the skill animation delay is super stiff

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Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean it's not like En Avant ist actually faster than just moving, due to the weird delay inherent to ~all abilities in this game.

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It's still a pretty huge gain. More than in pvp (where it shuts down your sprint). Try to dash next to someone running and you'll see the difference.

I'll never say that DNC has the mobility problems MCH or BRD do frankly.

The best buff summoner could get is buffing regular bahamut and deleting solar bahamut. Solar destroys post rework summoners ENTIRE FLOW. using bahamut every two minutes with phoenix every odd two minutes was such a nice flow. Solar looks awful and his abilities feel bad. Lux solaris heal is something i forget even exist because the button it replaces is on hotbar #2 for me unlike phoenix's heal. Summoner really needs 3 more gems in 8.0 because having two instant cast gems and a gem with only two hard casts is really bad for the caster fantasy.

Also they NEED to move the level 86 elemental mastery trait to level 50. Playing summoner below level 86 with no special eikonic favors feels atrocious.

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Originally Posted by Valence

It's good for freestyle points when I'm bored

Until I backstep into le bad because the angle with my target was off and the skill animation delay is super stiff



It's still a pretty huge gain. More than in pvp (where it shuts down your sprint). Try to dash next to someone running and you'll see the difference.

I'll never say that DNC has the mobility problems MCH or BRD do frankly.

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Yeah guys anyone disagreeing with the FACTs Valence spit about bard and machinist feeling less mobile than any melee, is wrong sorry. Dashes are clutch tools that when timed right can be used as knockback mitigation or used for clutch repositioning like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyicRV1Md80

Black mage's aetherially warp or whatever its called feels amazing too.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean it's not like En Avant ist actually faster than just moving, due to the weird delay inherent to ~all abilities in this game.

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This is 1000% your brain tricking you into thinking its not faster because the delay feels really bad and sometimes server ticks will kill you or ghost your input. Thats the games jank network architecture which needs to be completely thrown out.

On a good day using a vpn dashes feel awesome.