Stat Allocation

Removal of stats with a possible auto-adjustment when switching from one class to another.

Oh please no! It was the worst thing about FFXI, was that stats auto-adjusted. People constantly being considered gimp, because they missing 1 piece of armor that everyone "should" have.

I want my stats to define my job, not my armor and weapons. Nothing is better than being powerful by yourself, because you'll only be even more powerful when you add armor and accessories to the mix.

If the stats become auto-adjusted I would have to rely on my gear to increase my nuking ability. Otherwise I'd just be the same as any other con/thm.

Thought/opinons on what you'd like, and why?

ya but when you change classes, like to repair a piece of junk armor, you'll have to reassign your stats every time.

It is a stupid system.

A lalafell shouldn't ever have as many HP as a Roegadyin

I'm with you on that. I can't tell you how many times I got "replaced" in a party cuz i was in "incorrect" gear. You had ppl using sea com to say what gear they had. And if you had said gear, you got invited. If not, your SOL.
I couldn't get, when when I did get say okote I really saw no difference in my attacks. Amd I had both str and attack + stacked. Same thing bounding boots. I hunted then out of having to finally got them and really wasn't impressed. Don't get me started with ohat and scop harness.

These items barely did much and really didn't matter if I used them or not. My stuff was really not that different. I started just using gear I started to enjoy/ was cheap. And had fun. I tanked the avatar prime fights as a monk/dnc in unconventional gear ppl barely used. Never died.

I never used the elemental staves on my rdm and pretty much when I tried them with mjy scholor I really wasn't impressed. Only one I used was the dark staff and only for the rest hp%.

Do stats even affect your ability to synthesis something, repair, or just the ability to make it high quality? If they only affect HQ, then why bother changing stats if you just going to repair it.

Lalafel should have more HP if the have a higher vitality and are a Pug or Gladiator, and the Roegadyn is a Con/Thm.

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

ya but when you change classes, like to repair a piece of junk armor, you'll have to reassign your stats every time.

It is a stupid system.

A lalafell shouldn't ever have as many HP as a Roegadyin

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The only reason that happen was instead of balancing out ppl did the min/max way. Which ended up skrewing them over. Even the old dev team saying min/maxing you stats will have a negative effect on the game style.

If you played ffxi most of your base stats were 3-5 point differences.
People skrew themselves over in the end by not balancing out their stuff.
But ppl still like being over powered. I guess it makes them feel better.

I used to play ffxi the min/max way I didn't have fun, then I saw how useless it really was. Like two words two. I wanted to make my character an archer. So I put my points in doing that, In the end I ended up screwing myself over since I couldn't always be an archer. And this game don't have point re chamge system.

I never saw a /sea comment in FFXI mention gear. And if you didn't use elemental staves in FFXI on RDM I'm sorry, but you were gimp. You can try and rationalize to yourself all you want, but those staves were necessary to play any mage job and even some of the melee jobs decently. A 10%/15% increase in effectiveness to any spell cast with the respective staff is nothing to scoff at. What were you using instead? Stabbing the monster with enspells?

They need Stat allotment per Class, rather than per character. This would prevent the needing of allocating the stats constantly. You can base the amount of stats you get on the class+phys rank. Each should give you total points to use on that class. This makes having a higher physical not useless, but maybe not as effective as it is right now.

I actually liked the 11 system. I don't having to replace my stats every time I change jobs...That's just stupid. The stats should auto adjust or have it set up so that You place your stats on your class, change jobs and place those stats for that job and it stays that way for that job so that you can switch back and your stats will be where you left them, but having to adjust my stats for each class is just beyond stupid.

You could just save a setting for every class and then load it when you switch your class(or it can autoload: YOUR point distribution setting for X class)
nothing automatic to choose or distribute my points. :(

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Lalafel should have more HP if the have a higher vitality and are a Pug or Gladiator, and the Roegadyn is a Con/Thm.

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Racial stats can fix this.

Too bad the devs didn't wanted a so huge difference in racial stats. tha's why a lalafell can have more hp of a roegadyr

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

ya but when you change classes, like to repair a piece of junk armor, you'll have to reassign your stats every time.

It is a stupid system.

A lalafell shouldn't ever have as many HP as a Roegadyin

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Next you'll be saying girls should have -4 str

This thread is moot considering the poll was in favour of removing physical levels and auto allocation of stats.

Moaning about the out come won't change the result.

Of course if you didn't have the piece of gear in FF11 whos fault was that ?

Its the same for any MMO, for example if you don't have enough spirit in WoW as a healer people won't want you, same if you are a Mage with low Spellpower.

There simply should be an option to save the stats for each job or maybe even 2-3 setups per job so you can have various build.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Of course if you didn't have the piece of gear in FF11 whos fault was that ?

Its the same for any MMO, for example if you don't have enough spirit in WoW as a healer people won't want you, same if you are a Mage with low Spellpower.

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wow and xi are notorious for those kinds of people. They are the worst kind of people.

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Originally Posted by Nephera

wow and xi are notorious for those kinds of people. They are the worst kind of people.

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Part of me agrees with you but then if others have put in the time and effort to get the best gear and you want to play with them you should probably do the same.

It's not just FF11 and WoW that these people exsist any MMO is the same and I doubt FF14 will be any different in a few years when end game content is more common.

The OP says he would rather substitue his points to make up holes in his stats where his gear is lacking, but this is no different, because you will still look gimp when comapred so someone with the best gear and best stat allocation.

I would like to play a mage job without the hassle of allocating points it puts me off as most of my jobs are DOW. I would like it to be like in FFXI already done thats just my preference or something similar. As for people saying about gear you will always get elitists but playing your job well was not that hard in FFXI. I began with nothing and ended up with a lot of nice gear from which id worked my butt off for...and i never ever remember anyone mentioning gear only if they had certain skills capped.

I wouldn't mind if they could be saved in sets ready for you like others have mentioned

no, keep the physical level and stat allotment

JUST REMEMBER the stat when we switch the class!! but DON'T make it auto-allot base on job! I don't want everyone have the same stat at the same rank!

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I actually liked the 11 system. I don't having to replace my stats every time I change jobs...That's just stupid. The stats should auto adjust or have it set up so that You place your stats on your class, change jobs and place those stats for that job and it stays that way for that job so that you can switch back and your stats will be where you left them, but having to adjust my stats for each class is just beyond stupid.

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I agree completely. This is how the stats system should be. Exactly how they fixed blu in XI. I would like if stats were more effective but not to be auto adjusted. If I want more DEX because I feel I'm missing too much than I should be able to adjust it for that job.

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Originally Posted by Nephera

Next you'll be saying girls should have -4 str

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if I can have +4 INT in return, I'm ok!! very good idea

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Originally Posted by Evangela

if I can have +4 INT in return, I'm ok!! very good idea

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lmao

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Originally Posted by Jinko

This thread is moot considering the poll was in favour of removing physical levels and auto allocation of stats.

Moaning about the out come won't change the result.

Of course if you didn't have the piece of gear in FF11 whos fault was that ?

Its the same for any MMO, for example if you don't have enough spirit in WoW as a healer people won't want you, same if you are a Mage with low Spellpower.

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Actually you are wrong.

The poll was in favor of the removal of the physical level with being able to ASSIGN points for every class. There was 2 other options of which one was what you mentioned, but that was not the most popular.


Question 8*

The bonus point allotment system was intended to be a means by which players could customize their character's individuality. The free distribution of attribute points has given rise to certain problems, however, such as compatibility issues with the Armoury system, and the lowered effectiveness of the attributes themselves. In particular, this lowered effectiveness of attributes also extends its influence to items, and is therefore something that we feel must be rectified. To do so, we are currently looking into the following two options:

1. Removal of the bonus point system, and the addition of automatic allotment of attribute points based on class
2. Removal of physical levels, and the addition of class-specific allotment of attribute points for each class based on rank.

Would you prefer option 1, option 2, or the current system? *

Option 1. 84
29%
Option 2. 167
57%
The current system. 41
14%


http://www.kwiksurveys.com/results-o...83788e4&mode=4

Short: I like the stat system closer to the way it is now. But I believe Cairdeas proposed a system I also liked.

Long: For option 2, the counter balance to this would be able to reallocate stats for the Discipline. So Disciples of War, Magic, Land, and Hand have independent stats. And someone who specializes as a damage dealer in War would not be an optimal tank. Or someone who specializes as a Weaver would not be an optimal Blacksmith. And in this way, there is still a good reason to want to reallocate stats. Rather than having the best of both worlds and always having optimal stats regardless of crafter.

I prefer the idea that the skills you have equip establish your stats, Ala Blue Mage from XI.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

This thread is moot considering the poll was in favour of removing physical levels and auto allocation of stats.

Moaning about the out come won't change the result.

Of course if you didn't have the piece of gear in FF11 whos fault was that ?

Its the same for any MMO, for example if you don't have enough spirit in WoW as a healer people won't want you, same if you are a Mage with low Spellpower.

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There was only one time, for me , that I wasn't allowed to join a group. What I meant was other players I did group with were booted like Drks not having a haubergeon, back in the day. Sorry I should have been more specific there.

I don't know if your earlier post was directed at me saying was I stabbing something as RDM with an en-spell. No sir I was never a rdm, I was a Pld, also drg. I was decently equipped.

And it's not always the same. I didn't have any good gear in Everquest online adventures. On my wizard I made up my lack of gear for my stats. They had finally rebuffed wizards to be less resistant have 1 second cast/ 1 second recast. I ruined a raid, by accident, by everyone being solo and one kill group. My guild helped out the best guild on our server. So they had the best geared people with 2 DD necromancers. I got the kill.

So that's why I prefer to have stats over gear.

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Originally Posted by Ceons

Actually you are wrong.

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But, I'm never wrong !

Im happy with self alloted points or auto alloted points, I think auto alloted would solve a lot of issue with gimp set ups.

Infact most end game LS will expect players to have certain builds anyway, which is no different than them expecting them to have certain gear.

Ideally the dev team will allow us to have 2 specs per class similar to WoW though.

I am in favor of significant racial adjustments on attributes

I am in favor of class adjustments on attributes

I am in favor of waaaaaaaay less points per physical level (or cut physical level advancement pace by 1/10th)

I am strongly against customization outweighing effects from gear