Game pad vs Keyboard

What are you guys using? I still feel like I am wrestling with this games UI, especially on AV, CC, and Garuda speedruns. I have yet for find a targeting setting and setup that I feel comfortable with and not clumsy... Maybe it's because I play on a 42" TV and have more realestate to travel. I felt like I did back in Darkhold speed run days. Right now I use keyboard + mouse, but switch over to controller when I'm doing non intensive stuff. Mostly play WHM, BLM, MNK.

For standard MMOs I'm more comfortable with mouse/keyboard... but this game's default setup is so god awful and the lag is just unbearable that I just use my PS3 controller to play. Controller is far superior in FFXIV 1.X.

I'll definitely go back to mouse/keyboard for 2.0 and compare it to the new controller scheme. Theres a lot of things you can do with m/k that you can't do with a gamepad. One thing that comes to mind is:

While running - Jump -> Spin camera 180 degrees -> Disengage (WoW Hunter) - to leap forward in the same direction you were running. You cannot spin the camera fast enough for this with a gamepad.

For those that don't know or just can't figure it out from that scenario above... Disengage makes you jump back like Elusive Jump. <-- this is probably first thing I'm going to try to do and I do think it's possible since in one of the videos you can see him jump then use an ability while falling. lol

DD/BLM Gamepad

PLD/WHM Keyboard + Mouse

Yea, I almost feel like you have to use a keyboard and mouse for healing endgame stuff.

What target settings you using on game pad for BLM?

I use the controller almost 100% of the time.
My reason is simply that the keyboard is analog.
There is no slow and fast, there are no directions other than Left, Right, Up, down.
The joystick allows my character to move more like a human being and less like some digital glob.
Plus, i find the action bar easy to navigate in battle with the D-pad.

We were talking on BG about what the PS3 UI would look like and I shopped these really fast while at work:

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...6b1638f742.png

Personally, the top one seems more likely.

I prefer kb/m. Despite the UI, controller still feels sluggish to me.

My Naga is awesome :D

For healing I use mouse and keyboard. I feel like I am able to get heals off faster this way. I must say that DD feels awkward w/ this setup though.

Keyboard and mouse all the way for me, most of the time I don't even use the mouse. Tried using game pad once and didn't enjoy it.

I personally use Gamepad. I can't play with keyboard effectively at all.

I prefer gp...XI spoiled me I guess...but I'm not very comfortable using kb/m.

Are you guys clicking on mobs and players to taget them? Or using tab and the F buttons?

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Originally Posted by KingLala

Are you guys clicking on mobs and players to taget them? Or using tab and the F buttons?

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I use Mouse and F8

The game feels incredibly sluggish with a controller, and I feel that my overall performance is really poor with a controller. It was the opposite in FFXI, I couldn't stand those keyboard/mouse controls, and the controller just felt right.

The controls for this game are godawful, but they're still better than XI was on the keyboard. Excited for being able to right click enemies to attack, inviting party members, adding friends, etc.

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

For standard MMOs I'm more comfortable with mouse/keyboard... but this game's default setup is so god awful and the lag is just unbearable that I just use my PS3 controller to play. Controller is far superior in FFXIV 1.X.

I'll definitely go back to mouse/keyboard for 2.0 and compare it to the new controller scheme. Theres a lot of things you can do with m/k that you can't do with a gamepad. One thing that comes to mind is:

While running - Jump -> Spin camera 180 degrees -> Disengage (WoW Hunter) - to leap forward in the same direction you were running. You cannot spin the camera fast enough for this with a gamepad.

For those that don't know or just can't figure it out from that scenario above... Disengage makes you jump back like Elusive Jump. <-- this is probably first thing I'm going to try to do and I do think it's possible since in one of the videos you can see him jump then use an ability while falling. lol

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The speed at which you can spin the camera around has nothing to do with k/m vs gamepad... If you couldn't spin the camera around fast enuff it's because you didn't bother to increase the sensitivity of whatever key you had mapped to your axis control in whatever 3rd pt program you were using (in the case of WoW). User error is user error.

I use a controller now, but I hate the current mouse+keyboard controls. If they can fix them with A Realm Reborn, I'll switch to them...but for now, they way too sluggish for my taste.

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Originally Posted by Exn

The speed at which you can spin the camera around has nothing to do with k/m vs gamepad... If you couldn't spin the camera around fast enuff it's because you didn't bother to increase the sensitivity of whatever key you had mapped to your axis control in whatever 3rd pt program you were using (in the case of WoW). User error is user error.

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No. Even with increased sensitivity, you cannot compare controller to mouse camera movement. It's been proven numerous times that mouse precision is superior to an analog stick. Preference is preference, but don't try to say that the camera speed isn't different. Because mouse controls are undeniably superior.

Gamepad all the way for me since i play on my TV on the couch and Keyboard/mouse would turn me into a hunchback after a while with my setup, also i always kinda disliked gaming with Keyboard/Mouse

KB/M makes me want to stab my eyes out.

The UI is 100% intended for a Gamepad, casting spells is horrifyingly bad with a mouse, especially if the mobs are moving around a lot.

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Originally Posted by Exn

The speed at which you can spin the camera around has nothing to do with k/m vs gamepad... If you couldn't spin the camera around fast enuff it's because you didn't bother to increase the sensitivity of whatever key you had mapped to your axis control in whatever 3rd pt program you were using (in the case of WoW). User error is user error.

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You can increase the camera turn speed sure. But you cant be as precise with a gamepad as you can with a mouse. That is not user error that is just the way it is. Flicking the mouse in a direction to spin the camera is infinitely faster than holding the analog stick in the direction you want the camera to go. This is also an FPS argument and it's been proven time and time again. For camera controls mouse > gamepad.

Also, I didn't use any third party mouse programs and camera speed was always default in WoW.

I use GamePad i can switch target quick and also switch target type really quick so i can click on the teleport in CC/AV then go back to only targeting mobs. I hope the PC UI for game-pad is good i like it to stay about the same as now going from bar 1-2-3 because it's quicker with gamepad.

i only use gamepad to craft & gather, or when i'm feeling lazy.

I actually just bought the Logitech G600 and the Nostromo today in preparation for trying out GW2 next week. I've never used anything like them before (always controller or kb/m) so I just got both cuz I dunno how they will work yet. Does anyone use either currently for XIV? I was planning on just sticking to controller and hoping that the improvements in 2.0 will give it justice, but I'd consider using these if they work well. Might be to early to ask considering we haven't been able to try 2.0, but if people are already doing OK with them now, it should only get better right?

Gamepad all the way. so damn quick to do anything you want to do. I tend to beat any whm to heals/esunas and i find its so much easier to tank and combo etc but i have action bars laid out in such a way that im never more than 2 presses away from an ability. for example my first bar is weapon skills my second bar is abilites but its organised that i can be on bar 2 hit aegis boon press up and im on phalanx, and then press right and im on spirits within. and with monk i have like featherfoot on 2 with haymaker next to it then i can press up and have pounce. and the back combos ready.

as for targetting modes i use mode a. switch with L1 +
x enemies
o party
s friendlies
t all

my only wish is that it would target in priority of range closest mob first regardless of camera angle.

I used keyboard+mouse. in XI i played on ps2 for a long time, so when i switched to pc i just couldn't get the hand of using the keyboard to play. so for XIV i didn't want that to be an issue, so i went straight with keyboard+mouse. the only thing i notice is the general UI lag, which has gotten better little by little since i started playing.

Use a gamepad, but scrolling across the action bars feels so clumsy I feel like I have to macro a lot of stuff, but then either the macros dont fire off fully or I end up clumsily scrolling across my macro bars lol. i never had this issue with 11, granted combat was a lot slower paced.

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

You can increase the camera turn speed sure. But you cant be as precise with a gamepad as you can with a mouse. That is not user error that is just the way it is. Flicking the mouse in a direction to spin the camera is infinitely faster than holding the analog stick in the direction you want the camera to go. This is also an FPS argument and it's been proven time and time again. For camera controls mouse > gamepad.

Also, I didn't use any third party mouse programs and camera speed was always default in WoW.

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Oh you say its been proven time and time again.. ah ok... that must sum it all up then...

You also seem to have missed the point, or maybe I missed yours.. Why would you use a 3rd pt mouse program? I was talking about a 3rd pt controller/gamepad program for WoW. You said that the speed at with you can rotate the camera on controlller/gamepad is significantly lower than you can on a mouse... so I assumed you actually tried WoW with a controller/gamepad to "know" this.. ie you used a 3rd pt program (apparently incorrectly..). And if you didn't even try it with a controller.. well then PFFFFFFFFFFFT to you sir!

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Originally Posted by Exn

Oh you say its been proven time and time again.. ah ok... that must sum it all up then...

You also seem to have missed the point, or maybe I missed yours.. Why would you use a 3rd pt mouse program? I was talking about a 3rd pt controller/gamepad program for WoW. You said that the speed at with you can rotate the camera on controlller/gamepad is significantly lower than you can on a mouse... so I assumed you actually tried WoW with a controller/gamepad to "know" this.. ie you used a 3rd pt program (apparently incorrectly..). And if you didn't even try it with a controller.. well then PFFFFFFFFFFFT to you sir!

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Now why the fuck would I use a controller in WoW? And yes that's what I said because it is a fact. Jesus, why is that so hard to comprehend?

If you want to test this out yourself go ahead and play CoD or BF3 and switch between mouse/keyboard and gamepad at the highest sensitivity. It's pretty obvious which one is the winner.

Thank you everyone for the input.

I'm only a casual player and only have ever used a gamepad for gaming. If this game didn't have UI compatible with a gamepad I wouldn't have bought it. Really hoping for a new UI system that works even better! Really hoping we get to see it in action soon.

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

Now why the fuck would I use a controller in WoW? And yes that's what I said because it is a fact. Jesus, why is that so hard to comprehend?

If you want to test this out yourself go ahead and play CoD or BF3 and switch between mouse/keyboard and gamepad at the highest sensitivity. It's pretty obvious which one is the winner.

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See the problem is that I have already tested this stuff out, while you admit to not have tried anything out yet claim to know this and that because its 'proven'. So you can't even back up what you claim with your own experience, much less provide someelse's data to this "proven time and time again" malarkey you keep spewing. It is not just hard to comprehend... that is downright impossible to comprehend.

But I know better than to try to get into a discussion with someone who so quickly gets upset trying to defend their unsupported argument, and who so quickly starts creating random "facts". So uh, just.. L2P. I'm done.

Right.. So your response to my lack of evidence if for you to say you've done it and not provide evidence. Despite the fact that there were 1-2 other people saying the same thing in response to your initial comment.

You sure showed me. somadbro.

A bit late to the thread~ Currently, I find the controller much easier to use with the UI we have now. But for other MMOs I use my M.M.O. 7 mouse and my n52te. I do end up using every keybind, and I particularly loved the duo while playing TERA. With 3 rows of skill bars in 2.0, I will be dropping my controller and going back to my normal MMO setup.

M.M.O. 7
http://www.cyborggaming.com/fr/imgs/gallery/mmo_7.jpg

n52te
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/172/belkin.jpg

That looks like a sweet setup. Also I'm sure it's a lot better for your posture as well since you are not hunched over a keyboard.

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

Right.. So your response to my lack of evidence if for you to say you've done it and not provide evidence. Despite the fact that there were 1-2 other people saying the same thing in response to your initial comment.

You sure showed me. somadbro.

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Actually I provided you the evidence by telling you exactly what you needed to do to fix the problem you were having in regards to a lower sensitivity with your gamepad usage. Turned out tho.. you had never even used a gamepad and was just regurgitating some stuff you read somewhere.. Just because you ignored the evidence I provided you (or likely just had no clue what I was referring to as you have no clue what your talking about anyway..) doesn't mean I didn't back up what I said. OK, now I'm done...?

In XI I used keyboard only. For everything. Was so used to it that when I started XIV it was completely foreign to me. I am using a controller now and it is ok. If XIV introduces being able to map keys to what I used in XI, I would go back to that mode, if targeting is better.

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Originally Posted by KingLala

That looks like a sweet setup. Also I'm sure it's a lot better for your posture as well since you are not hunched over a keyboard.

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It takes a short while to get used to, but I found it so much easier to use than my keyboard, which I generally never touch in most MMOs unless I need to type out a message. I never have to click an ability either. I find that if you have all of your abilities bound and memorized, you can always keep your eyes on the center of the screen where the action is, with no need to look at your skill bar.

i have used both keyboard/mouse and gamepad in this game. i used a gaming board(z-board) until it went out and i have to wait for a new one to be shipped to me. during that time i went to using my ps3 controller. when my new keyboard showed up i installed it and will only use it for other games now and went full time on my controller.

i guess it's easier to say most games i use keyboard/mouse, but in xiv it is much more efficient for me to use controller. the ui is setup so much better for controller. if you take the time to set your abilities up well then a controller will drastically increase your ease of use and make the ui much more enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

A bit late to the thread~ Currently, I find the controller much easier to use with the UI we have now. But for other MMOs I use my M.M.O. 7 mouse and my n52te. I do end up using every keybind, and I particularly loved the duo while playing TERA. With 3 rows of skill bars in 2.0, I will be dropping my controller and going back to my normal MMO setup.

M.M.O. 7
http://www.cyborggaming.com/fr/imgs/gallery/mmo_7.jpg

n52te
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/172/belkin.jpg

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2.0 going to have two UI one for controller and one for keyboard so i guess you can try both.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

A bit late to the thread~ Currently, I find the controller much easier to use with the UI we have now. But for other MMOs I use my M.M.O. 7 mouse and my n52te. I do end up using every keybind, and I particularly loved the duo while playing TERA. With 3 rows of skill bars in 2.0, I will be dropping my controller and going back to my normal MMO setup.

M.M.O. 7
http://www.cyborggaming.com/fr/imgs/gallery/mmo_7.jpg

n52te
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/172/belkin.jpg

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Ahh, yeah the n52te is the Nostromo I just bought in prep for GW2. (With the G600 mouse) So it didn't work well for XIV? That kinda sucks but it sounds like your pretty confident it will work well with 2.0, which is good to see.