Pilgrim's Traverse was the perfect opportunity to try a new reward space

If SE were feeling experimental, this was a golden opportunity to try something a bit like this:

Upon clearing floor 100 for the first time (and completing the epilogue quest that unlocks Quantum), reward us with a new experimental reward space. Or, more accurately, an old reward space that has been so unused for so long, it'd feel new. That being, a new Egi-Glamour. Or Pet Glamour, or whatever they're called now. The ability to turn Seraph (as SCH) into Feo Ul via text command

There would be no need to be concerned with 'oh what if a new player sees it and gets spoiled that the character exists', because it's a level 80 action, and you meet Feo Ul at level 71. Plus, if it's really a massive deal, there could be some clientside flag that checks if you have reached the quest where Feo Ul is introduced, and if not, your client is forced to render Seraph as Seraph, regardless of the SCH player's chosen option. I don't think that knowing that Feo Ul is a character in the game at some point is a problem though, and clearly neither does SE, because we now have the Feo Ul minion in game, which we can show off in the starting cities and 'spoil' all the new players with

There's also plenty of lore reasons as to why it'd make sense to be able to summon the King. We have a pact with them. They can travel to and from the Source thanks to said bond. Statice, the gun-toting Faerie of AloAlo, is specifically stated to be a SCH Faerie, but looks like a Pixie of the First. The transformation traps in Pilgrim's Traverse turn you into a Pixie model, but the tooltip says that you're turned into a 'Faerie'. So, I assume that SE sees SCH Faeries and Pixies as being kinda sorta the same thing (or at least very closely related), enough to use the terms interchangeably

This would also have given SE the opportunity to test out 'ability reskins' as a reward space, potentially opening the doors for more such rewards in the future. For example, how about a WHM reward where you reject the Light, and use Elemental Magics, reskinning actions back to being Earth, Wind and Water themed? A NIN that pays homage to Rikku from FFX, using Mixes instead of Ninjutsu? Maybe even something as simple as a BLM that inverts the Elemental Wheel, using Astral Blizzard and Umbral Fire?

Missed opportunity IMO, but oh well

I did think about unlockable pet glamours not too long ago myself, carbuncle is useless now so imagine if we could get Shiva or Odin egis by doing quests, not like it matters what the guy looks like when standing around doing nothing and as you mentioned here a Feo Ul (who in travers already does use Eos/Selene's animations) for sch or maybe even an elemental? The options are endless if they just do it instead of acting like it's not possible.

I also have been wanting a ability reskin option for a long while now, at the very least letting me pick my favorite animation, like turning glare into stone again. This would be things I'd adore to see and really hope we will see someday.

lot of potential in skillskins / skillglams in this game.

Experimenting isn't something SE does.

Ever.

Historically ever.

Like literally, never.

If there would be a reward for clearing floor 100 it should be something where everyone benefits and not just for playing one class out of 21.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

The ability to turn Seraph (as SCH) into Feo Ul via text command

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If this would be added into the game in any way, it'll be via cash shop. In-game reward will be some junk that nobody wants instead.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

Experimenting isn't something SE does.

Ever.

Historically ever.

Like literally, never.

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Hey, I see them experimenting a lot with cash shop. Experimenting how far they can pressure their players before they explode.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

If this would be added into the game in any way, it'll be via cash shop. In-game reward will be some junk that nobody wants instead.


Hey, I see them experimenting a lot with cash shop. Experimenting how far they can pressure their players before they explode.

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I.... Okay I stand corrected. Yes.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

If there would be a reward for clearing floor 100 it should be something where everyone benefits and not just for playing one class out of 21.

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Class themed mounts! (No, not generic CNJ unicorn).

RPR: Avatar carries the player
PCT: Similar to Smudge but as a mount... you go smudging leaving a trail
BLM: An unique broom mount that is also offered as a staff glamour
MCH: Rides an auto-turret similar to the Nier pods
SCH: Eos carries the Scholar, similar to the Spectral Statice mount
VPR: A Tural Vidraal, maybe a "spwan of Valingarmanda"
AST: Levitates with star bodies around them, resembling the animation of Neutral Sect
MNK: Levitates in a serene, sitting meditation pose, with glowing chakras
WHM: Pops aetherial wings to fly, resembling Temperance's animation
SMN: Rides Emerald-Garuda's shoulder
DRK: Rides their feelings
RDM: An umbrella mount, but using their figmental Rainpier
NIN: Rides the Hellfrog Medium

... I ran out of ideas for the rest of the jobs.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Class themed mounts! (No, not generic CNJ unicorn).

MCH: Rides an auto-turret similar to the Nier pods

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Let MCH ride Queenie :)

I do love your idea for Eos carrying the Scholar, that sounds so cute

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Originally Posted by Raikai

RPR: Avatar carries the player

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Princess carry, please. especially the big male races like Roegadyns and Hrothgars lol

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Originally Posted by Ankhira

Let MCH ride Queenie :)

I do love your idea for Eos carrying the Scholar, that sounds so cute

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Would be cool if they added a "struggling" animation lol. Imagine Eos carrying a huge Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Class themed mounts! (No, not generic CNJ unicorn).
DRK: Rides their feelings

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Bahahahahahahaahahahaha I'm dying

It's not a bad idea

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

Experimenting isn't something SE does.

Ever.

Historically ever.

Like literally, never.

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they experimented with like Faux Leaves and Chaotic Raid...

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Originally Posted by Sarnai

they experimented with like Faux Leaves and Chaotic Raid...

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What's even experimental about Chaotic Raids? It's just a bunch of stuff they do already.
Same boss encounter mechanics
Same reward structure of farming a token for X, Y, Z
Same party format already used in another duty mode

The fight might be seen as well designed, but there's absolutely nothing that screams innovation for me.

What would be innovative for me?
Quantum difficulty. A new combat mode for pet x pet (future BST?), Crystalline Conflict and the PVP rework when it was released, etc.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

If there would be a reward for clearing floor 100 it should be something where everyone benefits and not just for playing one class out of 21.

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The point would not be 'oh only SCH gets a good reward from this', it'd be that it'd be a test run, that potentially opens the door for other jobs to also get their own unique rewards from other content down the line. This hypothetical could also be 'in addition to the current rewards', not 'instead of'

Here's an example I just thought of, while writing this: Clear the Arkveld Extreme fight, and you unlock the ability to swap DRK's Bloodspiller animation, to one of the Charged Slash animations (I'd vote for the second one, personally) from Monster Hunter. Every other job would still want to do the fight, and would be rewarded for it, because the fight would also be rewarding Scales to get the glamour set, it drops weapon coffers, you can upgrade the weapons to i760, and it drops the funny Cart mount.

Another example: Clearing the Nier Raids gives SAM an animation where, when Third Eye/Tengetsu's Foresight is triggered by damage (not when you press the action), you 'Android Time' dodge it with the same animation 2B uses

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Originally Posted by Alicie

If this would be added into the game in any way, it'll be via cash shop. In-game reward will be some junk that nobody wants instead.

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This is a potential outcome, yes, but I think it'd still be worth having the system, because of the opportunities it'd present SE. They've struggled to find reward spaces for a while (cough Criterion Materia situation), so having new spaces to explore can only benefit the game

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Originally Posted by Raikai

What's even experimental about Chaotic Raids? It's just a bunch of stuff they do already.
Same boss encounter mechanics
Same reward structure of farming a token for X, Y, Z
Same party format already used in another duty mode

The fight might be seen as well designed, but there's absolutely nothing that screams innovation for me.

What would be innovative for me?
Quantum difficulty. A new combat mode for pet x pet (future BST?), Crystalline Conflict and the PVP rework when it was released, etc.

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Funny you mention a Pet x Pet combat mode, isn't that what Lords of Verminion was meant to be? I agree though, there's a few times they've tried innovating, and some things have worked, some things... much less so. I think the perception of 'no innovation' comes from how their innovation attempts are all very much relegated to 'side content', and the MSQ remains very much the 'same old, same old' design we've seen for 10+ years. So, having the confidence to experiment more in the MSQ itself would be nice to see. The Resident Evil style puzzle section this patch was at least interesting to see them try.

Even changing up the formula of when we do certain content would be nice to see. We used to have a Trial in the MSQ at X3 and X7, then SHB changed it to X3 and X9, where it's been ever since. What if we had like... a trial at X2, X6 and X9? Three story trials before the final boss instead of 2? What if we had an extra dungeon at an even numbered level, like at X8? Stuff like that would not 100% solve the perception of innovation, but scrambling up what level we experience a trial or a dungeon at, with each new expansion, would at least keep us guessing a bit more as to the structure of the levelling process

tbf, a skill skin for a job isnt really worse than the 300th mount in the game.

since you can play every job on one character a skill no matter for which job is useable by everybody.
sure if you are no schoolar player you might have less interest in it.

but if you dont like robots you dont want any of the robotic mounts. or if i dont like wings why should i do extremes?

sure the idea is not just one single skill skin for only one job. but wanting to have new skillanimations for every job in every content they would implement this type of rewards is why we wont ever have this type of rewards. its too much work to do it for every job. and if they dont do it for every job players would hate on it way too much whenever their main job isnt among the 'rewarded'

job specific mounts would also only work if they can get acquired and used by anyone no matter the job. they would get spread out over several contents since they wont make 21 mounts for one specific content.

nice wish tough. would love that

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Originally Posted by Asari5

job specific mounts would also only work if they can get acquired and used by anyone no matter the job. they would get spread out over several contents since they wont make 21 mounts for one specific content.

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Once you do the lvl30 CNJ quest and obtain the mount you can use it no matter the job. This has never been a limitation.