Do i MUST play the Beta?

At least i am not interessted in playing a beta. I know many ppl cant wait to start playing the beta, but doesnt this have to be the opinion of everyone? I want to keep playing 1.x untill the game launches after all the beta-stuff. Playing a beta is only a time waste, only the producer can do anything with that since beta data mostly get deleted before the launch.
And does Yoshi really let us pay for a beta? He never said a word about the payment when the Closed is getting online!

So i want to play 1.x untill the full launch of 2.0 is online, and only then i want my charakter to get transfered to the new world!

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Originally Posted by Leyla

At least i am not interessted in playing a beta. I know many ppl cant wait to start playing the beta, but doesnt this have to be the opinion of everyone? I want to keep playing 1.x untill the game launches after all the beta-stuff. Playing a beta is only a time waste, only the producer can do anything with that since beta data mostly get deleted before the launch.
And does Yoshi really let us pay for a beta? He never said a word about the payment when the Closed is getting online!

So i want to play 1.x untill the full launch of 2.0 is online, and only then i want my charakter to get transfered to the new world!

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For anyone who doesn't understand this:
Translation = Can I play ffxiv 1.0 while 2.0 beta is running, and if not will I have to pay while I play the beta.

As for the answer, they need to shut the servers down while the beta is running in order to transfer all the characters and data. This will take about 1 month minimum apparently (although I seriously can't comprehend how from a tech perspective).

So you may be able to play 1.0 while the alpha runs, but by the time beta comes out, the 1.0 servers will most likely have been shut down.

I don't think anyone knows if you have to pay for beta or not yet, but I have a feeling once the servers go down they will suspend any charges or credit people the months that the game is down for. So you most likely will get to play beta for free.

I dont like the system that SE uses here to transfer all the charakters to a new world at a beta status. I dont think i am alone with that thinking that playing a beta is boring and has nothing to do with the launch then! If SE needs beta player, they should ask for and not just shut server down and just force everyone to the beta to play or play not at that time period.

You didn't get any replies to your whining on the German forums so you decided the repost it the English forums? Wow.

the point is, current game and 2.0 is different game
lets just say that they speak in different language, and SE need to translate current game data to 2.0 language so that we can use that data in 2.0

and from what I gather, not all of us have the slot for beta. theres registration and all
so yes, its either (get pick to do) beta or not play anything at all

personally, I dont really care. if i get pick for beta then its nice. if not, then i can do something else

Leyla, I understand what you are asking for, but keeping these 1.0 servers running costs SE more money. When they shut the 1.0 servers down, I do not think we will be charged money either. There needs to be time for 1.0 to shut down so we can have our characters transferred to 2.0. That can take anywhere over one month. It is better we are given the option to play the beta while our characters are being transferred.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

You didn't get any replies to your whining on the German forums so you decided the repost it the English forums? Wow.

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Doesnt have to do anything with winning, only with trying to talk to many as possible ppl. Not everyone can speak german, and not everyone who speaks german can speak english (even at least most do, but not everyone)

we have our eyes open actually
but now you block the way again

You don't have to play beta if you don't want to, but the servers are going down, players need to transferred to the new system, it takes a long time due to testing I assume to make sure no data has gone missing in the transfer. Will you have to pay for it, no, it says so in the 2.0 specs.

If they let you play 1.x up until 2.0 launch, your character would not be IN 2.0 at launch. They need to shut it down so they can move you there. Its sort of like... You can't play a new game in your console WHILE you remove the game and put in a new one, and then instantly switch to the new game. You NEED to turn the game OFF so you can take out the old and put in the new, and there's a little bit of downtime between the old game and the new game.

Not sure if this is the best analogy for it, but I tried... Maybe someone else can explain it better. But there NEEDS to be a break in between.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

You didn't get any replies to your whining on the German forums so you decided the repost it the English forums? Wow.

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Why were you on the german forum?

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Originally Posted by Reika

Why were you on the german forum?

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I only saw it there because the poster had all of 7 posts and was whining, so I went to post history and saw the original with 0 replies. *shrug*

EDIT: lolz, just checked it again and now has 8 replies. it looks, from my broken german, like she's being told the exact same thing over there that she's been told here.

sure........

To answer you question no you don't have to play beta but if you have friends they going to to understand the game more and level there craft and level there jobs more then you. Because even tho it's a beta our Chars going to be in the beta so everything you do in beta would be save so pretty much we play the game before anyone get it at release sure we have to deal with bugs and so on but it still the game.

But it this way if your friends get into the beta and so do you but you end up not playing you going to lose 3+months of work that they be doing and learning how to play the game but at the end it's up too you.

Doesn't matter if you "like" the system or not. Files cannot be transfered while being used, that's just how it works.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Because even tho it's a beta our Chars going to be in the beta so everything you do in beta would be save so pretty much we play the game before anyone get it at release sure we have to deal with bugs and so on but it still the game.

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Whoa, so your saying that we'd be able to use your FFXIV 1.xx characters in the testing of the AND it'll be save?!
Time to go exploit hunting!

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Originally Posted by Colino

Doesn't matter if you "like" the system or not. Files cannot be transfered while being used, that's just how it works.

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this. How you suppose to trasfer files to a new pc if it's currently in use ? How you can format an HD if you're using it ? They can't let us play 1.0 because they can't transfer database files while we are playing. And btw, even if they can tranfer databases while running, the trasfered information would be outdated...

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Originally Posted by AlaulaTheGreat

Whoa, so your saying that we'd be able to use your FFXIV 1.xx characters in the testing of the AND it'll be save?!
Time to go exploit hunting!

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Ya if you characters get move to beta early on then yes you can play beta with your 1.0 and everything you do in the beta would be save, i don't see a reason for them deleting everything you done in beta when playing ffxiv 2.0 beta is like playing 1.0 beta for over 1year we was playing beta for lol so it's pretty much the same thing just with 2.0. Now every new player who join the beta i'm sure there char would not be save because it's not a real account it's just beta account.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Ya if you characters get move to beta early on then yes you can play beta with your 1.0 and everything you do in the beta would be save, i don't see a reason for them deleting everything you done in beta when playing ffxiv 2.0 beta is like playing 1.0 beta for over 1year we was playing beta for lol so it's pretty much the same thing just with 2.0. Now every new player who join the beta i'm sure there char would not be save because it's not a real account it's just beta account.

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I can understand that being the case possibly for the final stages of the beta. Since they need to test out if our character data transferred properly.

But for the entire beta that is just not feasible. Imagine the rollbacks they'd have to do if somehow some smart players found a gil-dupping trick and didn't report the bug because they could keep the gil they exploited.

If anything, I can imagine they'll allow us to build a character in the Beta, and then keep that character's model if you've grown accustomed to it.

But hey, I could be wrong, I don't know how betas work~

They have to shut down the servers at some point.

Period.

If they let people continue to play the 1.0 game while the transfer was taking place, that person would lose all the progress they made in the month during the transfer. 1.0 is ending, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Ya if you characters get move to beta early on then yes you can play beta with your 1.0 and everything you do in the beta would be save, i don't see a reason for them deleting everything you done in beta when playing ffxiv 2.0 beta is like playing 1.0 beta for over 1year we was playing beta for lol so it's pretty much the same thing just with 2.0. Now every new player who join the beta i'm sure there char would not be save because it's not a real account it's just beta account.

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sauce pls?

He's making that up. It has been clearly stated that whatever you do in beta will not be transferred into live.

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

sauce pls?

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He's making that up. It has been clearly stated that whatever you do in beta will not be transferred into live.

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Thats usually the case for most games and was for the previous ffxiv-alpha's and beta's. But i dont remember SE saying something like that about the "Free Trial Period" for 2.0. Idc if thats the case or not, but you all are making stuff up, which isnt confirmed.

You're able to save your beta progress and transfer it onto the 2.0 version.

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Originally Posted by Risae

You're able to save your beta progress and transfer it onto the 2.0 version.

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I'd like to know~
Where you got that from~

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Originally Posted by Risae

You're able to save your beta progress and transfer it onto the 2.0 version.

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Said who exactly and when?

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Originally Posted by Nero

Thats usually the case for most games and was for the previous ffxiv-alpha's and beta's. But i dont remember SE saying something like that about the "Free Trial Period" for 2.0. Idc if thats the case or not, but you all are making stuff up, which isnt confirmed.

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Beta is not Free Trial. That's two different things and I wasn't talking about that. I'm not gonna bother looking for the exact quote, but Yoshi said Beta progress won't be saved.

now a days, beta is not even a testing tool. It's an advertising gimmick to make us water over passes and then talk about how fun the game is with rose colored lens.

I personally don't want to play the beta, because it spoils it too much for me.

For example I played the FFXIV beta in 2010 and started in Limsa Lominsa, and the second time around wasn't really exciting. It spoils too much. I have to say that my beta experience was a lot more fun, because we were discovering things for the first times, giddy, happy, excited.

In the meantime, after they take down FFXIV 1.0, I will be trying GW2. Sure, GW2 may not be a long term game for me, but I'll just keep an active account anyway since it has no subscription fee. Then I will be ready for FFXIV ARR when that comes out. GW2 will tide me over until then.

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Originally Posted by Gokulo

Beta is not Free Trial. That's two different things and I wasn't talking about that.

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The PC-Beta Phase is marked as "Free Trial Period" in the Roadmap from October to January. So which Beta are you talking about? And btw.. Beta is always Free Trial.. most people wouldnt pay to play a Beta.

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Originally Posted by Gokulo

I'm not gonna bother looking for the exact quote, but Yoshi said Beta progress won't be saved.

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If you are not going to look for the quote, you shouldnt pull out statements like that if you are not able to back it up. Like i said before, i dont care either way. Beta progress probably wont be saved, like usually. But doesnt change the fact that SE neither confirmed or denied it.

While it may sound like a long time, taking one month to copy data, format it correctly for the brand new system, check and double-check for errors, all while closely monitoring the open beta for issues, is something I can understand will take a while. Especially if it helps someone avoid losing any gear/history/progress from version 1.0 just because the transfer was done carelessly.

While this is unconfirmed (they haven't locked down their schedule yet) I'm not anticipating the version 1 servers to go down till the open beta starts in Winter. It would make little sense to take things down as early as the autumn* alpha testing. Indications so far are that we have till November with this version of the game.

*for all the yanks out there, autmn means fall.

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Originally Posted by Nero

The PC-Beta Phase is marked as "Free Trial Period" in the Roadmap from October to January. So which Beta are you talking about? And btw.. Beta is always Free Trial.. most people wouldnt pay to play a Beta.

If you are not going to look for the quote, you shouldnt pull out statements like that if you are not able to back it up. Like i said before, i dont care either way. Beta progress probably wont be saved, like usually. But doesnt change the fact that SE neither confirmed or denied it.

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I found the quote I was thinking about, and having re-read it I must say I remembered wrong. So, sorry about that and I'm going to agree that nothing has been said about beta progress being saved or not, unless I'm still forgetting something ^^;