Lets talk of Gear Sets

From what we saw from interviews and the gameplay presentation. There will the addition of Gear Sets. The best part of gear sets is that it will not be counted toward the spaces in our actual bag. Which is a life saver!

Then a million questions began to run through my head. Will the Gear set be class/job exclusive, or will they be shared by entire character. For instance, will I have 5 gear sets for my CNJ/WHM, then 5 more for my PGL/MNK, or will I have to share those gear sets with both of those different classes/jobs.

Also, the fact that the gear is no long part of your bag inventory, will it be set to one and only one gear set, or will one piece of gear be able to exist in multiple of gear sets. For example, for Whm, I decide I want a healing set and a hybrid healing/nuking set. But for both of these sets, I find it necessary to have Healer Boots equip to both. Will I be forced to manually take the boots off one set and add it to another set, or will there be some way to have them exist elsewhere, like some kind of separate "Mannequin Inventory".

And then....
I kid, what do you think~?

inb4 thread devolves into debate over swapping gear during battle (IT WON'T HAPPEN. GET OVER IT)

I think they'll provide enough gearsets for each job as a minimum. So that's 7. They may round that up to 8. But I don't see the point in limiting a gearset to each job. That's just backwards, inhibitive, and not the philosophy that I think Yoshi-P is going for.

As for swapping gear, I'd imagine them operating like inventory bags. You can pull one up, drop the boots into a bag, pull the other up, then drop it into your other gearset... I don't think that sounds tedious at all, compared to what we've been used to lately.


Also, Macros.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

inb4 thread devolves into debate over swapping gear during battle (IT WON'T HAPPEN. GET OVER IT)

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Ironically the only thing people said against this was:

-Blinking in battle made no sense (yet we see that no longer occurs)

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-Having to have multiple gearsets which we see will become a standard feature.

Never forget the DoH and DoL~

But I'd seriously love to get away from having to macro gear for certain situations ever again.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Ironically the only thing people said against this was:

-Blinking in battle made no sense (yet we see that no longer occurs)

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-Having to have multiple gearsets which we see will become a standard feature.

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Funny part about the new inventory, when Yoshi was equipping his DRG, there was no blinking from what I saw. o:

This is why I always craft a multi purpose gear set, like mage set and fighter set, just to save slots

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Ironically the only thing people said against this was:

-Blinking in battle made no sense (yet we see that no longer occurs)

and

-Having to have multiple gearsets which we see will become a standard feature.

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- messes up game balance
- developers have to create content that is a challenge by recognizing gear-swapping mid-battle as an 'unintended feature'
- massive lag-generating macros

.. were the other downsides, from what I recall.

Im also against multiple gearset, even if 2.0 accomodate this
I never play XI, but from what I hear, *shudder*, lets hope that not happen here

Indeed, only reason I want gear sets would be to ease the burden of having to switch from WHM to all my DoH classes and then back to WHM.

But not as though I want gear switching in battle! I'd just like a way to effectively gear for solo play and party play as well.

are you leveling your DoH or doing HQ?
if only for leveling purpose, lots of gear is wearable by all class, like woolen tight, or mahogany patten

you can use that and still can level your DoH

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Originally Posted by Denmo

- messes up game balance
- developers have to create content that is a challenge by recognizing gear-swapping mid-battle as an 'unintended feature'
- massive lag-generating macros

.. were the other downsides, from what I recall.

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Inventory clutter. Situational gear trumping everything. Hybrids becoming overpowered. Gear swaps are not worth it.

Anyway, I believe they mentioned in one of the interviews that the number of gearsets would be equivalent to the number of classes/jobs available. As long as events and instances lock everyone's class (at the very least) upon entry and being "in combat" prevents gear swaps, you won't hear any complaints from me.

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

are you leveling your DoH or doing HQ?
if only for leveling purpose, lots of gear is wearable by all class, like woolen tight, or mahogany patten

you can use that and still can level your DoH

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But this is in discussion of 2.0, what may be the case for now may not be the case of later.

In 2.0, select we may see ourselves using different gear between DoH/DoL, all depending on what level their artifact is. Plus even if we ignore artifact, If I am leveling, the game's design should reward players for better optimizing their stats instead of just picking "All Class/All DoH/DoL" gear and using that as a universal set.

Does the game reward you already... yes? Maybe... but still I see your point with just wearing one set of gear for all DoH/DoL. Some days you get lucky, some days you don't is how I see it.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

How many type of Gear Set are there to switch gear instantly?
Y: It’s actually quest based and at first you start with 1 and at timing where you learn the armory you get one more where you can use between two classes. Later by clearning quests the gear set will increase.

Is there a limit to amount of Gear Set?
Y: I believe it should match the amount of class/jobs being increased so currently we don’t have anything decided.

For those inside the Gear Set, will those be counted as items being carried?
Y: It won’t. So it won't show in the inventory .

So, the items you have carrying are those not equipped and items that are expendable and such
Y: The gear you obtain from rewards will go into inventory but for gears that is set in the gear set will be on the gear set side so it won’t fill up the inventory.

So you can think of Gear Set as special inventory then
Y: Yes if you could think of it as a gear specific inventory. Earlier we called it Mannequin

I see, so the image is like walking around with a Mannequin
Y: Yes

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post789751

Still sorta doesn't answer the question on sharing items between sets. I believe... not entirely sure...

Like say I have these uber VIT rings I use for WAR and PLD, will that ring exist only in one of those gearsets or will the gearsets accommodate to my need to have that ring show up in both gear sets.

Maybe you need another ring for the other sets.
If you have a Vit ring and want it in 2 sets you need to buy a 2nd ring.
Or maybe not

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Originally Posted by AlaulaTheGreat

But this is in discussion of 2.0, what may be the case for now may not be the case of later.

In 2.0, select we may see ourselves using different gear between DoH/DoL, all depending on what level their artifact is. Plus even if we ignore artifact, If I am leveling, the game's design should reward players for better optimizing their stats instead of just picking "All Class/All DoH/DoL" gear and using that as a universal set.

Does the game reward you already... yes? Maybe... but still I see your point with just wearing one set of gear for all DoH/DoL. Some days you get lucky, some days you don't is how I see it.

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in current game, gear dosent really matter for grinding. i used to use dated velveteen tight red and dated velveteen doublet red for grinding DoH/DoL/doing leve behest achievement, only because I found it look sexy on me

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Originally Posted by Felis

Maybe you need another ring for the other sets.
If you have a Vit ring and want it in 2 sets you need to buy a 2nd ring.

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This game reaks of the 1%-ism!!!
xD
But dang, I hope they don't make that the case. Since some trinkets are unique and it'll force us to go,

"Okay, switching jobs, but first. Lemme remove the following gear! Oh crap! My bags are fully, lemme just throw away a couple of things... Now time to switch jobs! SHIZZLE! Where in the twelve did I put that stuff!?"

Those are the conversations I have with myself while playing WoW.... ; ;

I personally hope that this gear set is no more than a shortcut, not a fixed set of gear
Like: shortcut A is gear a - gear e
shortcut B is gear c - gear g
but you only need 1 of gear c/d/e

yea, we could use a macro for that

Then I hope macros are drag and drop as well. Would love to drag a piece of gear into a text line and it would auto write out the text macro for me so I don't have to look up how to write a line.

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Originally Posted by AlaulaTheGreat

Then I hope macros are drag and drop as well. Would love to drag a piece of gear into a text line and it would auto write out the text macro for me so I don't have to look up how to write a line.

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lol
+1 for that >_<

Oh geeze, and abilities as well.
Since I saw setting those was also drag and drop...

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Originally Posted by Felis

Maybe you need another ring for the other sets.
If you have a Vit ring and want it in 2 sets you need to buy a 2nd ring.
Or maybe not

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You could very well be correct. To use The Secret World as an example, that system saves a shortcut to the item, but it doesn't remove the item from your inventory (so it still takes up space). If you don't have the item in your inventory, the slot will be empty when you load the gear set.

If the item is being removed from the inventory entirely, the simple method is just to assign that item to a non-inventory equipment slot and require a new item for each gear set. The more difficult method would be to allow a copy of an item to another gear set but with some restriction that it gets removed from all gear sets when it gets put back into the inventory from any of them. Otherwise, they'd run into rampant item duping.

The biggest problem with the simple method is unique items that you might want to have in multiple sets would have to be restricted to only one set. In order to allow the same unique item in multiple sets, you'd have to go with the difficult method, which would force you to re-add back into each of your sets if you want to put the item back.

I am not entirely sure how gearsets are going to deal with shared gear (such as all my melee jobs wearing the same rings, etc), but I'm interested in finding out.

I'm still slightly weary of this being a separate system than classes. Very few other games allow players to switch classes on the same character, so people are going to get frustrated managing their inventory for each job no matter how convenient it's made. I really would have liked to see each job/class having its gear saved and immediately equipped when changed to.

It'd be nice to have a little FFT style job/class wheel where I can see my character as each job with whatever gear is equipped to it and click on it to activate the job, instead of having to physically equip an item to change jobs.

But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they've realized most players are not prepared to have to deal with constantly managing their inventory.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Ironically the only thing people said against this was:

-Blinking in battle made no sense (yet we see that no longer occurs)

and

-Having to have multiple gearsets which we see will become a standard feature.

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Really that's the only thing anyone has ever had against gear swapping?

Not that the system is counter-intuitive, completely foreign both in terms of game design, and beliveability, and it requires the user to write pseudo-code style macros for every single action they take in the game, in order to properly link specific pieces of gear to each ability.

The idea that there are "only a few things wrong" with gear swapping is exactly the opposite of reality. There is only one redeeming quality for gear swapping at all, and that's the fact that gear swapping allowed for a wider variety of gear to be useful. And there are other ways to accomplish this.

Indeed. So as long as they keep true and not allow us to gearswap in the midst of battle, and make it so that one item can be used multiple times, I'll love gearsets!

I find this interesting, too:

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How many type of Gear Set are there to switch gear instantly?
Y: It’s actually quest based and at first you start with 1 and at timing where you learn the armory you get one more where you can use between two classes. Later by clearning quests the gear set will increase.

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Can't we change the class right at the beginning? Do we need to make a quest to unlock the armory system?

I think that what Yoshi said he is planning. That a new player will need to complete a series of tutorial quests before he/she can change class.