Honestly, game is fun

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Glad you enjoy the game your own enjoyment is what matters and not the opinions of others, while the dooming may seem destructive and over powering most people just want the game to be better than what it is. and it can be better than what it is
they have a free mobile version with so many features that the paid concole / pc version should have for example.

that all said keep on keeping on welcome to the forum! :D

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

Glad you enjoy the game your own enjoyment is what matters and not the opinions of others, while the dooming may seem destructive and over powering most people just want the game to be better than what it is. and it can be better than what it is
they have a free mobile version with so many features that the paid concole / pc version should have for example.

that all said keep on keeping on welcome to the forum! :D

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Agreed.... OP, if you're having so much fun, why are you on the forums where people give feedback on how they want to see the game to improve and saying 'all is fine, stop complaining'? FFXIV has plenty of 'the devs can do no wrong, there's nothing wrong with the game, there's plenty to do' in this culture of toxic positivity to begin with.

This sort of narrative is really pointless, especially in the only spot we can actually give feedback.

The thing a lot of people don't seem to realize is it possible to like something AND dislike the state it's in. These are not mutually exclusive. One can enjoy and like many things about the game AND still wish it was better in aspects. I love going to venues with my FC, I keep up with the story, I do Savage tiers and the new 24s, check out new content, etc. There's plenty to keep me busy. That said, especially as a healer, there are things I *despise* about the game. People are "dooming" because they're that passionate about the game they love and want to improve it.

I just find it unusual to mention here... again, on the forums, where people are trying to give feedback to improve the game. You started your own thread talking about "Doomers" with nothing really to contribute other than 'stop complaining'. If you really had a gripe with people, why not comment on the threads saying 'the game is dead' or something, and suggesting things they could do on there? Since, let's be real, this does feel like (and likely is) a rage bait thread. Which exist here in both the toxic positivity angle (this one) and the 'game is dead forever' angle. Two sides of the same coin, really.

When people are saying "there is no content", they're talking about the current expansion. I bought Dawntrail, so it's to do content related to that expansion, I want to play with my lvl 100 jobs on lvl 100 content. If I wanted to continue doing older contents, I wouldn't have bought DT, especially when I've done everything I wanted to do from past expac. Right now, yes, there are no long-lasting content released during DT

Yes, the game does have a large number of content if you're a new player, or don't play/bought patches/expansion on release

I've been playing FFXIV since 1.0 and I love FFXIV. I have tons of fun when I'm playing.

I have plenty of criticisms too. So as much as you find me praising it, you'll also find me ******** about it, but that doesn't mean I love 14 any less.

I'm glad to see others out here enjoying it. ^_^

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Originally Posted by TheRealDesastr

Agreed.... OP, if you're having so much fun, why are you on the forums where people give feedback on how they want to see the game to improve and saying 'all is fine, stop complaining'? FFXIV has plenty of 'the devs can do no wrong, there's nothing wrong with the game, there's plenty to do' in this culture of toxic positivity to begin with.

This sort of narrative is really pointless, especially in the only spot we can actually give feedback.

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A forum is more than just a place to air grievances. A forum is a place to talk about the game. To talk about it in any capacity. To gatekeep this place because a thread does not adhere to your beliefs of critique only is a bit backwards.

Just as this is a place to talk about what you think is wrong, it is equally a place to talk about what you think is right.

And I cannot see where op stated that there is nothing wrong with the game. Their stated stance is anti "no content".

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Originally Posted by vincexorcized

it baffles me a lot when I read that "there's no content".

The problem, I think, is the fact people won't run anything that doesn't involve glamour.

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You're right that it's usually due to people not running all the content. But it's not necessarily due to there being no glamour. For some, it could be due to no mount or minion. Or because they don't value mounts/minions. Or it could be due to it being too difficult, or too difficult to socially organize and navigate through ie. Chaotic, Forked Tower when it released. Sometimes, it's because it's too easy.

SE has acknowledged the difficulty issue so they are adding ways to scale the difficulty and mechanics for a lot of content going forward.

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I love deep dungeons, I love Bozja, I love doing hunts, I love doing random quests, BLU, craft, fishing, .. I'm basically done with all content but I still come back and play some of it all because, well, it is fun.

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I enjoy hunts, PvP and various systems in the Gold Saucer. I enjoy maps purely if I'm doing it with others for the social interaction. But if you play enough, most of everything else becomes repetitive if you do it multiple times, because it's scripted to always be the same with insufficient variable factors.

Example is that if you do an expert dungeon to cap tomestones every week, as is clearly the intended method by the number of Mathematic tomestones given, after enough months it eventually makes you sick actually doing it because nothing really changes about it, and that became an issue after they stopped swapping out the dungeons every 3.5 months and now each individual dungeon remains there for 9 months.

So there is a case to be made that designing systems that are different each time but still fun to do would help solve the complaints, because then the game no longer relies on "content with shelf life".

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I understand most people finished everything they could but again, saying there is no content is a complete lie. There is ton of it

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I do always find it odd when people come to the forums the 2nd day after a patch and say "there is no content". You can't possibly have finished it that fast unless you didn't do it ie. farming an extreme trial, clearing savage, getting the new pvp rewards, etc.

Glad you're enjoying the content.

Personally, I'm not enjoying a lot of the new content, and I'm largely not fond of how old content is constantly being neutered or crafted into a slog.

I'm at a point where I believe if a game's design philosophy hinges on getting people to the newest, most up to date content, then you either make the journey there -fun- or you... just let them go straight to it.

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Agreed.... OP, if you're having so much fun, why are you on the forums where people give feedback on how they want to see the game to improve and saying 'all is fine, stop complaining'? FFXIV has plenty of 'the devs can do no wrong, there's nothing wrong with the game, there's plenty to do' in this culture of toxic positivity to begin with.

This sort of narrative is really pointless, especially in the only spot we can actually give feedback.

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Because the Forum is not alone there for complains, dooming or anything, there is something called "positive feedback" because there are still more people as enough which enjoy the game

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Because the Forum is not alone there for complains, dooming or anything, there is something called "positive feedback" because there are still more people as enough which enjoy the game

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Exactly positive and negative feedback is needed, but you don't have to attack the other side while giving positive or negative feedback and then go "I did nothing wrong" lol

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Tell me when you spot positive feedback in this thread because OP opened the thread with telling people who complain about the game to quit.

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There's a very brief line where they list content they like

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Because the Forum is not alone there for complains, dooming or anything, there is something called "positive feedback" because there are still more people as enough which enjoy the game

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Tell me when you spot positive feedback in this thread because OP opened the thread with telling people who complain about the game to quit.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Exactly positive and negative feedback is needed, but you don't have to attack the other side while giving positive or negative feedback and then go "I did nothing wrong" lol



There's a very brief line where they list content they like

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TRUE, roughly a sixth of the opening post, the rest was to tell people who are unhappy to quit. Why does so called positive feedback always need to include that part. We'll never know.

I am well aware the forums are for positive feedback as well, as someone who made a very simple thread praising the addition of the door partitions with wallpaper options. It was a very simple thing I've been wanting for years, nothing too crazy and yet it made housing a lot more fun and customizable. I was really happy when they added it. Another thing I'm happy about is some of the new trophy crystal glams, I think they look really neat. Finally, adding old series rewards as purchaseable by crystals too. It's a lot of content I can do without being storylocked on alts, and a ton looks lovely.

But, all of that said, making a thread for the purpose of saying 'game is fun if you're not having fun just quit' isn't really valid feedback. It's insulting and baiting people. Not to mention OP calling folks 'mental'... come on now.

I myself think a lot can be done to improve it. I'm staying for my own reasons even if I think there is a massive amount to improve on. I don't think saying 'just leave' to people is helpful, and someone's not going to quit when reading a thread like this of all things, lol.

"Pick a team" is what I see in this post.
Doomposting is just a method of trying to make SE listen, because polite suggestions aren't exactly helping. We've already reached the phase of voting with their wallet too.
And no, I would not like to quit the game until 8.0, because I am apart of a community in this game, and you just don't ditch your community you've built up and hanged around with for years because "game bad".

BUT 8.0 is my personal limit if they fail to deliver, then it's just gonna be discord hangouts or another game.

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Originally Posted by vincexorcized

I understand most people finished everything they could but again, saying there is no content is a complete lie. There is ton of it, and I wish people actually run them instead of being AFK, posing and complaining here and there "game dead".

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Many of these grievances originated from the perspective that Forked Tower, a content that should have been accessible to everyone, was unfortunately not catered to everyone. There have been many a thread with posts discussing this issue. Now, while this is just one of the factors, I think it is a major one, considering the fact that it was released with OC, and it was a big piece of endgame content everyone was looking forward to. People, regardless of whether they were casual, midcore, or hardcore, did run and attempt this content, but the clear rate was abysmal. On top of that, the entry system was heavily criticized. So the “game dead” argument really was, in my opinion, centred around how unapproachable it was and still is.

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I'll probably get hated for that take, but the eternal dooming over this game is tiring. Move on if you dislike the current state of the game. Also nobody cares about anyone virtual house. You bought your property knowing the risk of it all. Which is being trapped in paying sub for keeping a virtual house, where you never AFK in or receive people in.

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Look at it this way, people tend to doom because they want to make things better, and these are the people who still play the game. The sad part is, the people who aren’t dooming have probably already moved on, and the player count can, more or less, attest to this.

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Originally Posted by vincexorcized

I'm playing it for quite some years now, haven't start DT yet even if I know how bad the reputation of it is already but, it baffles me a lot when I read that "there's no content".

The problem, I think, is the fact people won't run anything that doesn't involve glamour. People don't want to play any content just for the sake of it. I love deep dungeons, I love Bozja, I love doing hunts, I love doing random quests, BLU, craft, fishing, .. I'm basically done with all content but I still come back and play some of it all because, well, it is fun.

I understand most people finished everything they could but again, saying there is no content is a complete lie. There is ton of it, and I wish people actually run them instead of being AFK, posing and complaining here and there "game dead".

Now if you're a +10 years player, I can understand the frustration. But if I was a +10 years of playtime, I would take a break and go play something else, it's not that serious at all.

I'll probably get hated for that take, but the eternal dooming over this game is tiring. Move on if you dislike the current state of the game. Also nobody cares about anyone virtual house. You bought your property knowing the risk of it all. Which is being trapped in paying sub for keeping a virtual house, where you never AFK in or receive people in.

My point is, there's no need to have great reward to justify fun content. Now if your fun is to get all rewards, well I'm sorry for you. We can't do thing about it. But now if you're not having fun anymore, it's time, once again, to move on. And that's absolutely fine to do so.

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10 year player here, I'm still doing some of the old stuff I didn't have time to do before, when it was released.

I think the problem is that people don't want to repeat content, ever. The second you're expected to run something more than once, it's labeled a "grind." Iterative gameplay is no longer desireable.

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Originally Posted by vincexorcized

I'm playing it for quite some years now, haven't start DT yet even if I know how bad the reputation of it is already but, it baffles me a lot when I read that "there's no content".

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That's bait

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Originally Posted by vincexorcized

I love doing hunts

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I rest my case.

Just another ragebait post. You can see it by the OP's replies to others. He is very mean and ill intent to anyone who stood against him or said that community just wants better game for their money invested. He deems that as "just quit the game bro". Yeah

People do actually want to continue playing because they invested much time and they clearly still have hope and gain feelings for this game. Thus why criticism and constructive feedback is always appreciated. We all want to be treated better for the subs we are paying. But your mentality is questionable.

someone who hasnt finished the msq thinks there is no shortage of content.... yeah makes sense

As long as people still write about it, they still care to some degree. When it gets silent, you have a problem.