So Much Self Reporting

So many of you are treating the forums like a confessional booth right now. Playing the victim like YoshiP personally stole your pookie bear and now you can’t goon. It’s actually peak entertainment watching it all unfold---- but it kinda gets to a point...

"How dare they attack the community like this?"
"How dare they take down this mod (that’s literally against the ToS) and shut down player creativity?! I’m unsubbing!!"
"I know how we'll show them, lets REVIEW BOMB!!!" are we fr rn


Ok, that's a self report.

Posting about how mad this makes you feel isn’t helping your case. It’s just drawing attention to the fact that YOU were using a mod that breaks the rules. It’s not that deep. If losing a ToS-breaking mod frustrates you this much, there are plenty of other games out there to enjoy.

Edit: I'm not reporting any of these players, they're practically reporting themselves with their reaction is what i mean.. by self reporting

Really? Someone can have an opinion without stating that they explicitly use mods. If anything, this has really shown some people for what they are. Hint, it's not the people that may or may not have used mods.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Really? Someone can have an opinion without stating that they explicitly use mods. If anything, this has really shown some people for what they are. Hint, it's not the people that may or may not have used mods.

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Yeah… they're just giving opinions and weren’t actually using it… right… right… mhm… everyone’s just philosophizing about the tragedy of ToS enforcement.

Clearly immaculate logic presented here.

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Originally Posted by Everbox

Yeah… they're just giving opinions and weren’t actually using it… right… right… mhm… everyone’s just philosophizing about the tragedy of ToS enforcement.

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The only proof I can see here is your conviction that someone defending it is actually using it too.

At first I was worried about how much the mare users would clog up the forums, but I've gotta be honest, I'm really really impressed with how much spam the anti-mare people are vomiting onto the forums. Y'all easily out-post the mare users, probably because you're still playing the game ig, but still. Are we really making ANOTHER thread about this? This isn't even a productive topic of discussion. It's just you gloating about how much better you are than other people. Homie, we pay to play A WEEB MMO that barely releases content. We're ALL losers.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

The only proof I can see here is your conviction that someone defending it is actually using it too.

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There are definitely people defending it with somewhat valid reasoning, like saying Mare isn’t the root issue. That’s fair. The real giveaway is the ones genuinely losing it. You can see the rage dripping from their posts. The examples I shared above aren’t far off from what some of them are actually saying. If your rhetoric doesn’t match any of those quotes, then there’s really nothing to be upset about here. You can clearly see from the pool of people defending it who was a user and who is just defending, just by the way they’re responding.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Really? Someone can have an opinion without stating that they explicitly use mods. If anything, this has really shown some people for what they are. Hint, it's not the people that may or may not have used mods.

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Yep, I have opinions on it and I can't use them because I'm on PS5.
Personally, I'm always grateful when I'm in a group doing content and we have someone doing call-outs.

If me saying that is a self-report of some kind, fine. But I'm thankful for those players.

It doesn't really matter since there will be a replacement mod for mare soon enough and life will go on. Well besides for SE, they are still losing players lmao.

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Originally Posted by Everbox

There are definitely people defending it with somewhat valid reasoning, like saying Mare isn’t the root issue. That’s fair. The real giveaway is the ones genuinely losing it. You can see the rage dripping from their posts. The examples I shared above aren’t far off from what some of them are actually saying. If your rhetoric doesn’t match any of those quotes, then there’s really nothing to be upset about here. You can clearly see from the pool of people defending it who was a user and who is just defending, just by the way they’re responding.

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But... speaking technically, that's not enough proof to report someone. And if you're reporting people without proof, idk if there's some sort of penalty (likely not) in those forums.

And? Nothing will happen, heck you could even use Mods in front of Yoshi he would look away

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Originally Posted by Raikai

But... speaking technically, that's not enough proof to report someone. And if you're reporting people without proof, idk if there's some sort of penalty (likely not) in those forums.

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Who said i was reporting anyone? I ain't no snitch

I said they're self reporting themselves to Square Enix, who is most likely reading all the threads about this.

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Originally Posted by Everbox

Who said i was reporting anyone? I ain't no snitch

I said they're self reporting themselves to Square Enix, who is most likely reading all the threads about this.

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You a really giving of this Aura, like the nerdy kid in school. "well, Actually they are all self reporting..." 🤓

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Originally Posted by Everbox

So many of you are treating the forums like a confessional booth right now. Playing the victim like YoshiP personally stole your pookie bear and now you can’t goon. It’s actually peak entertainment watching it all unfold---- but it kinda gets to a point...

"How dare they attack the community like this?"
"How dare they take down this mod (that’s literally against the ToS) and shut down player creativity?! I’m unsubbing!!"
"I know how we'll show them, lets REVIEW BOMB!!!" are we fr rn


Ok, that's a self report.

Posting about how mad this makes you feel isn’t helping your case. It’s just drawing attention to the fact that YOU were using a mod that breaks the rules. It’s not that deep. If losing a ToS-breaking mod frustrates you this much, there are plenty of other games out there to enjoy.

Edit: I'm not reporting any of these players, they're practically reporting themselves with their reaction is what i mean.. by self reporting

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Start a witch hunt over it then if you are feeling so zealous about it. Trying to call out people here.

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Originally Posted by Everbox

So many of you are treating the forums like a confessional booth right now.

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People use these forums as a personal blog too, you'll get used to it if you're planning to stick around.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

including Square-Enix themselves with their incompetence and inconsistency of their own damn rules.

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I mean, it seems consistent. No other mods in the game advertised as much or created a security hole in their program like Mare. (Yes, sharing your unique account identifier is a security risk on Square's end, why they chose money as the reason for the C&D is beyond me, security of the app should have sufficed )

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

I mean, it seems consistent. No other mods in the game advertised as much or created a security hole in their program like Mare. (Yes, sharing your unique account identifier is a security risk on Square's end, why they chose money as the reason for the C&D is beyond me, security of the app should have sufficed )

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If the C&D became a legal matter, e.g., not just a precursor to actual legal action... Then citing money would probably be a far easier legal claim than security, and would be far less risk... As the unique identifier, how they've seemingly implemented it could border on being completely negligent.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

If the C&D became a legal matter, e.g., not just a precursor to actual legal action... Then citing money would probably be a far easier legal claim than security, and would be far less risk... As the unique identifier, how they've seemingly implemented it could border on being completely negligent.

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Maybe, but tech companies use security of their property all the time and win suits, even ones they shouldn't, like digital locks, but that's a different can of worms.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Maybe, but tech companies use security of their property all the time and win suits, even ones they shouldn't, like digital locks, but that's a different can of worms.

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They do, and it is always a gamble, as there are just as many companies that cite security and lose, even when they probably should win the case.

Given that we're referring to the account ID, it's a massive can of worms in itself, and probably just not something they would want to risk, if they can build a good enough foundation on money, e.g., given it acts as a sync.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

That doesn't make other mods any less guilty of breaking the ToS, causing PR issues, or profiting though. Mare simply being "more advertised" just means Square-Enix is allowing other mods to slip through the cracks, some blatantly so.

Hell, there's a website (FFLogs) that quite literally showcases all of the information it gathers via a mod (ACT). It's hardly a well kept secret, breeds its own brand of toxicity within the game (including the "exclusion" a lot of anti-Mare people cite as valid justification to kill a mod), and yet there's no C&D to be found against the mod or the website despite breaking all of the same rules, including "first rule of Fight Club" as people have quoted against Mare.

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I get your point and people do get warnings/bans if they harrass by mentioning it in game. Yoshida also mentioned about sharing modded characters and lewd images of characters a few years ago all over the Internet and instead of just keeping it to yourselves, players decide to share it in game too.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Aye, which is why I'm not really surprised Mare got dinged in that context, as a lot of the people who used it were foolish and arrogant about its use, but it's hardly the only mod I'm aware of, it wasn't even the first that someone told me about as I heard about the zoom hack before I had even started playing FF14 via online articles and such discussing the debacle, which was arguably as well-spread in non-FF14 circles as the infamous billboard and its modded in data mined assets.

If Mare was but part of a total crackdown on all mods, I would get that completely and wouldn't even be wholly adverse because I don't use mods and thus have nothing to lose (though I suppose I'd feel bad for the people that were genuinely being quiet and harmless). But it wasn't, it was a very specific and in some ways very odd choice given that every single mod that people used with Mare is still active, or how things like "too public" or "was making money" isn't unique to Mare either.

It's just confusing and frustrating is all because there should still be mods being tossed into graves over here, but there's been nothing else ...so far.

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End of the day it's their game and if they say they are going to ignore something it's up to them, ACT doesnt change the game and as they put it a calculator could do the same job. Straight after they said there is no grey area regarding MODS

Possibly because no one really gives a (insert whatever here) if they get banned? I know i don't. I, and many others, dang sure are not here for the game. We here for the social and customization aspects. *coughs* At least thats what i would be saying... IF I was one of them that used Mare.. :)

My main loss is friends who are going to stop playing, and going elsewhere.
Losing friends will just convince me to not play anymore either, and going along with them to other places.

If you think "good riddance", good for you, I suppose you must be fun at parties.
There are plenty of other games out there, sure.
If you don't want the subscription money, or the money to unlock new emotes and outfits, that's great.
These people were the easiest to appease: just don't enforce TOS that strictly. They didn't care about new content, new raids, new story, new anything. The game was just a framework for other stuff for them.

Did these people break TOS? For sure, they did. They're not complaining that it's being enforced. Most of them aren't. From what I could tell they knew that moment would come sooner or later, so most of them just shrugged and moved on already.

Meld your gear

It was life support for the game it was keeping it alive artificially. Dawntrail is stage 4 cancer.
https://i.ibb.co/FLnxJSKv/ventilator.jpg

Man, I had so many friends leave when housing changes got pushed up to a later date, but they'd still log in every now and then to enjoy the community content which was driven in large part by syncing addons like Mare. With that gone, plus 7.3 delivering basically nothing, I'm about to log in tomorrow (my day off) to a pretty grim friends list. CWLSes been dead. FCs basically aren't a thing thanks to submarines and easy houses pulling everyone out of community groups and into the solo fc meta, myself included. But I digress. My point is there were already so many indications that people from all branches of this game were walking away. This just provided another quitting moment for a large segment of people, assuming they don't just fire up a replacement soon. You can be outside of that group and still be upset because you're watching even more of your friends quit in real time because square can't help but shoot themselves in the foot over and over again. Like somebody else said, that crowd was the easiest to appease: just leave them alone. But nope, the one area where people would've been happier if you'd done nothing, you had to go and do too much. Meanwhile, in areas where we wish you would do something, all we get are delays and excuses.

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These people were the easiest to appease: just don't enforce TOS that strictly.

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I wonder what do you mean by that. It has existed for 3 years and nearly everybody knew about it, so you can be sure CB3 and SE knew about it for a very long time.

We don't know why they decided to act now, but their is a multitude of reasons possible, maybe some other company weren't happy with mods using their own content, maybe they decided enough was enough with modders litterally saying in official forum "Doesn't matter, they won't do anything to us, we are untouchable". Maybe there was security concerns and to prevent a potential drama, with the risk of complaints coming with it - legal ones included.

3 years of relative liberty for something they repeated again and again "don't do it because if one day we act, you will be disappointed about it", it's not what I would call "strictly". Look at Nintendo that are attacking people for using their intellectual properties, even if it's a 13 years old boy that did a stream on a romhack with 3 viewers to see what "strictly" mean for Japanese company.

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Originally Posted by SasukeUchiha81

Possibly because no one really gives a (insert whatever here) if they get banned? I know i don't. I, and many others, dang sure are not here for the game. We here for the social and customization aspects. *coughs* At least thats what i would be saying... IF I was one of them that used Mare.. :)

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I'm pretty sure they do. The last thing you want to have all that progress thrown away because they decided to mod. People pretend they don't care, when they actually do.

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Originally Posted by All_Nonsense

At first I was worried about how much the mare users would clog up the forums, but I've gotta be honest, I'm really really impressed with how much spam the anti-mare people are vomiting onto the forums. Y'all easily out-post the mare users, probably because you're still playing the game ig, but still. Are we really making ANOTHER thread about this? This isn't even a productive topic of discussion. It's just you gloating about how much better you are than other people. Homie, we pay to play A WEEB MMO that barely releases content. We're ALL losers.

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Always been like this. Legit the only way to constantly be surrounded by modbeasts is to actively look for them.

i doubt many got actually got suspended for admitting it on here though

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Originally Posted by Akira

i doubt many got actually got suspended for admitting it on here though

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You don't know that. I've said this in another post, but what's stopping someone from reporting you for modding and giving SE a direct link to the modders post?

There are people that will go on a reporting spree simply for the sake of getting others banned if it makes them feel better.

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Originally Posted by Akira

i doubt many got actually got suspended for admitting it on here though

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The Overton Window has shifted.

talking about mods doesnt mean they are using

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Originally Posted by Everbox

There are definitely people defending it with somewhat valid reasoning, like saying Mare isn’t the root issue. That’s fair. The real giveaway is the ones genuinely losing it. You can see the rage dripping from their posts. The examples I shared above aren’t far off from what some of them are actually saying. If your rhetoric doesn’t match any of those quotes, then there’s really nothing to be upset about here. You can clearly see from the pool of people defending it who was a user and who is just defending, just by the way they’re responding.

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So, what's worse? People losing it because one of the tools they use as a reason to even keep playing this game or people losing it because there are other players doing something, even if AgAiNsT tHe ToS, they enjoy and don't harm others with?

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Originally Posted by Shialan

So, what's worse? People losing it because one of the tools they use as a reason to even keep playing this game or people losing it because there are other players doing something, even if AgAiNsT tHe ToS, they enjoy and don't harm others with?

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"Doesn't harm others" isn't exaclty accurate because Mare's structure had some glaring privacy risks which is likely one of a few reasons it got nuked.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I get your point and people do get warnings/bans if they harrass by mentioning it in game. Yoshida also mentioned about sharing modded characters and lewd images of characters a few years ago all over the Internet and instead of just keeping it to yourselves, players decide to share it in game too.

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no two teams in world firsts got caught using and they simply ended up with temp bans. nothing more. It happened twice and both times is when SE and Yoshida needed to drop the hammer on third party software usage and they didn't. Why would people care at that point? If the director didn't care about people using third party software for stuff like that then why would they care about sharing mods? That my thoughts on it. Spin it however you want its both sides fault. Had they drop the hammer on those teams, people would keep quiet. Shoot third party tools / Cheating is so rampant in the game. They don't take action against the bots that sit under the aetherytes in the cities.

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Originally Posted by Its_Kazzy_D

"Doesn't harm others" isn't exaclty accurate because Mare's structure had some glaring privacy risks which is likely one of a few reasons it got nuked.

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and so does fflogs via ACT...

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

and so does fflogs via ACT...

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ACT more or less just reads your battle logs. Mare essentially had access to your full client information, ergo, it was probably deemed a bigger risk after other similar mods were nuked due to that reason.

ETA: Also a lot of FFLogs' information is pulled straight from Lodestone which is publicly available anyway.

Most of the convo about plugins really shouldn't be on the official forums tied to people's account- people are being very bold about it.

Also secondarily I'd like to just stop seeing both sides of this conversation. One side shouldn't be here for ToS reasons and my IQ is dropping from watching the boldness of these FF14 users, and the other crowd is cheering further hurting the dwindling sub 1-mil playerbase as if it's the cure to FF14's foundational issues... and all Yoshi-P needs to do is realize things are messed up and flip the "fix game" lever.

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...02e0c425de74aa

Just as I thought, I Knew U.K laws was part of the issue. Also unless players change their attitude in sharing their modded characters all over social media etc then they're going to come after the base mod too.