Tank New Role Skills 50 +

Interceptor - (this class role is unlocked by doing a level 55 quest and final fantasy 6 reference) when use this ability you hear classic final fantasy 6 berking sound from interceptor from that game .

now for what the ability does

Interceptor will charge and enemy forces it aggro on you by attaching a leash to the monster where then tank pull force it into melee combat. target then stunned for 3 seconds after use interceptor also deals damage up 280-320 potency

Flash - Flash -65 Potency Damage per tick , Blind (40% Miss Chance + Slow 20% with 15% chance Paralyze (off global-cooldown) Last 22 Seconds (causes massive amounts if Enmity 60 Hits all targets around you off global cooldown instant cast

Flash is mostly used at end of wall-to wall pulls for better over all survival. however in actually boss fights where there completely status immune only damage over time effect sticks so only really used in dungeons wall to wall pulling

But they removed Flash from the game years ago. They wont bring that back. They removed blind affecting skills back in HW and then again in Stormblood when they removed dark passenger and it had a blind effect.

Cover should be a role skill. Just dropping that there

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Originally Posted by Vatom

Cover should be a role skill. Just dropping that there

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Cover and Living Dead would be busted af.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Cover and Living Dead would be busted af.

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I think cover in its self is busted but is LD cover not the same thing as holo

I don't really think we need more role actions, if anything I'd just remove them outright.

For skills that are needed for a job to function they should get their own flavour, it's already done for stances.

That would be fun

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I don't really think we need more role actions, if anything I'd just remove them outright.

For skills that are needed for a job to function they should get their own flavour, it's already done for stances.

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In practice role actions are a great system to serve as backup to ensure that every job can fulfill the minimum welfare required of its role. It becomes really ironic in retrospect when all the tanks are virtually identical give or take, then what's the actual point of those role actions beyond making everyone even more homogeneous?

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Originally Posted by Valence

In practice role actions are a great system to serve as backup to ensure that every job can fulfill the minimum welfare required of its role. It becomes really ironic in retrospect when all the tanks are virtually identical give or take, then what's the actual point of those role actions beyond making everyone even more homogeneous?

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Plus they miss so many (roughly "all") chances to make the role actions a solid foundation that then gets unique-ified per tank.

Like, so many things individual tanks have could just be trait-effects on shared base skills. Maybe Warrior always deals damage to anybody hitting them if their short CD, medium CD or long CD is up? Maybe Paladin always takes some portion of surrounding people onto themselves with their CDs instead? Maybe Paladins have an interject that also stuns, while Dark Knights have a casted animation that also drains a significant amount of mana from the target onto them? I dunno, stuff! There's so many ways to build unique class skills from shared base skills.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I don't really think we need more role actions, if anything I'd just remove them outright.

For skills that are needed for a job to function they should get their own flavour, it's already done for stances.

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Your account is from 2022, so maybe you do not know?
We had tanks having their own skill variations instead of role actions, we got rid of it, because "balance". Turns out, it isn't as fun if everything feels similar.

Look how unique each tank is

https://i.imgur.com/m0NAHlj.png

The game devs kinda caved in to the raiders at some point, they were whining that their favorite class is "useless" because it underperformed by ~5% dmg output compared to another tank.

There is also no real aggro management anymore, just put on tank stance and you are good.

It is so easy to play now.

WDYM, it's done for "stances"? Stances are 100% identical between tanks?

I like how Dawntrail handled the 40% mits, and made them not clones of eachother where WAR's was just arbitrarily better.
I do think they should do the same For Rampart, Reprisal, and Low Blow as well.

I dont mind things like Arms Length, Provoke, Shirk or Interject being a role action.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I do think they should do the same For Rampart, Reprisal, and Low Blow as well.

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Having them have their own job flavor or having WAR's versions be arbitrarily better? :P

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I like how Dawntrail handled the 40% mits, and made them not clones of eachother where WAR's was just arbitrarily better.
I do think they should do the same For Rampart, Reprisal, and Low Blow as well.

I dont mind things like Arms Length, Provoke, Shirk or Interject being a role action.

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Isn’t it like universally agreed WAR has the worst 40%

PLD’s 40% is basically a second hallowed

Ah I mean back when it was the 30%. Vengance was the best 30% because it got a bonus trait for no reason meanwhile Shadow Wall, Nebula and Sentinel were clone skills.

Dawntrail came and flipped it on its head, GNB and PLD got insane 40%'s for surviving damage, DRK got some sustain and more or less is able to do the same thing as GNB/PLD by stacking TBN with it.
and WAR got its 4th Heal over time effect attached to it, which is indeed the worst one but I think it was designed this way because the Vengance Damage reflect effect is still also a bonus WAR has.

I want them to split up the role actions like that. Make job specific versions of each skill (20% DR in ramparts case) with specific additional effects each job would appreciate on an individual playstyle level.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

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Where did I say the current tank kits aren't very similar??? This doesn't really have anything to do with the point I was making, I agree that tanks are pretty much copy and paste in designs with very slight differences at this point, I've even made this point serval times that I do not like current tank design being more of the same.

My point is for the case of role actions, theirs actually no point of them existing when tanks already have the same skills with a different visuals such as tank stances, I rather they at least get a different animation at the very least, theirs no point in genuinely having role actions as they are was my only point. Role actions made slightly more sense when you had some options, but as generic actions where you have all of them they are just pointless.

That being said ultimately I just want to see the jobs more fun in general tanks need more differences in gameplay, I'm not trying to down play that by complaining that I find role actions just a lazy excuse to reuse actions even if it doesn't visually fit a job (like rampart on war/drk feels off). Both can be issues role actions in their current form is pointless, but I'm also 100% on board with making tanks way more unique and in general way more fun.

I hopefully that clears up my perspective on things, I've played ff14 longer then 2022 I made my forum account then.

I do think they could prune half of our abilities, PVP for example plays wonderfully with a fraction of the buttons.

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

Flash - Flash -65 Potency Damage per tick , Blind (40% Miss Chance + Slow 20% with 15% chance Paralyze (off global-cooldown) Last 22 Seconds (causes massive amounts if Enmity 60 Hits all targets around you off global cooldown instant cast

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I have no idea why you would ever think that the devs would add something this broken to tanks.

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Originally Posted by Grimforth

I have no idea why you would ever think that the devs would add something this broken to tanks.

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Honestly with the current tanks what evidence do we have they wouldn’t

Like imagine telling an ARR player what the current tanks look like

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

My point is for the case of role actions, theirs actually no point of them existing when tanks already have the same skills with a different visuals such as tank stances, I rather they at least get a different animation at the very least, theirs no point in genuinely having role actions as they are was my only point

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I mean, if you look at role action today, these were mostly skills once belonging to a single tank (kinda what you want). This gave them uniqueness and their own visual. But there also existed analogues on other tanks sometimes - not always. So once they picked out one as an essential role action, they removed them from the other tank. Like the mentioned Shadow Wall animation for DRK - that was basically the same as Rampart on Paladin.
Why did they do this? Well, they released new addons, means new skills, means some skills need to go. And then you need to balance them.
They could have given warrior inner beast with mitigation buff back, darkknight with (edit: )shadowskin, and paladin with rampart - but I guess its way easier to balance if the base tank skill set never changes. You always have 1 x Provoke, no aoe provoke or anything anymore - you always have 1 offglobal stun, instead of tying it to potency, you always have a reliable silence instead of having spirits within doing that etc.
So they stripped away the utility of skills to just focus on potency of the job skills, without worrying about making a tank unusable for tanking. Just with worrying about raiders having similar dmg outputs.
So to get back what you want, we need to stop caring about what raiders complain about and SE just needs to do what they want and ignore them lol
They need the same approach for PvE like for PvP skills - just make it fun and flashy with utility etc.... "balance" should lose priority for entertainment value.

Dark Knights rampart equivalent was Shadow Skin, shadow wall is the 30% that got upgraded to vigil.

Why they got rid of the animation is something I wonder to this day.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Honestly with the current tanks what evidence do we have they wouldn’t

Like imagine telling an ARR player what the current tanks look like

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Imagine telling an ARR player what the current healers look like :D

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Originally Posted by Valence

Imagine telling an ARR player what the current healers look like :D

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I'd go a step further: Imagine telling someone back in EQ1 that healers would ever spend time dealing damage. Not spam-casting Complete Heal with multiple clerics in an offset rotation to keep the tank alive just against normal incoming damage from autoattacks.