Same communication & speculation mistakes?

I understand the whole "secrecy" thing, but now that they can show gameplay and the game is near alpha stages, it really needs to stop.


SE has tried the whole "secrecy" thing before, and it has only brought them trouble.

When open beta was out, people thought that the game was only a quarter of what they would get on official release. If you go back and look at the old forum posts on zam you will see people claiming there will be new classes, twice or three times as many zones (there was a close zone near every atheryte crystal and people thought they would instantly be opened to actual zones, not instances), much cooler looking equipment, a reduction in lag because they were only using 'test servers', and various other things that never came true.

No surprise, when the game was released in the same state as open beta a ton of people quickly rage quit and gave the game incredibly low ratings.

Then the -exact- same thing happened with the first few patches, people speculated that ishgard would open up by christmas, lag would be fixed etc. Once again, disappointment and people quitting.

Then when Yoshi-P took over the -same- thing happened once again.

And now, for what is probably the 4th or 5th time, it is happening again.

By being vague, Yoshi-P is creating rumors and speculation
And when people speculate they generate expectations
And when expectations are not met, most people experience disappointment

You're basing this all of speculation... /facepalm..

maybe you should just wait for 2.0 and see the changes first hand before you speculate..

SE is giving out tons of info through interviews etc, and the gameplay presentation imo was great.. they sure let me know they are trying to improve this game..

so please explain all this secrecy.. cause your ranting about something that isn't even released yet..

yeah wait.
everyone wait.
because we waited not long enough yet.
i only know this game is losing me for the ~10th time playing FF7 on PC atm.

i feel like doing some merits in bibiki bay tho.

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Originally Posted by SynysterBlitz

You're basing this all of speculation... /facepalm..

maybe you should just wait for 2.0 and see the changes first hand before you speculate..

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We've waited a long time so more waiting isn't hard, however, they also promised a large promotional campaign to begin in middle of August (now) and they're still being reserved about things. Why wait till 2013? They can post their own videos and screenshots to the main website -- they can write their own articles.

Remember the pre-launch party? It didn't take them that long to write out their own information about FFXIV and it's future.

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There needs to be away to downvote a player's ability to post new topics to the point where they are disabled from doing so, or erase their threads from the thread listing when placed on ignore.

I have Rokien and Azurymber both on my ignore list, yet, when I go into the general discussion section there are no fewer than 3 topics by them on the listing.

They're on my ignore list, I shouldn't have to see the thread they make. Their incessant thread making is the very issue I put them on ignore to begin with. They can effectively troll the entire forum this way without punishment.

This really is a pox on the forum community.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

We've waited a long time so more waiting isn't hard, however, they also promised a large promotional campaign to begin in middle of August (now) and they're still being reserved about things. Why wait till 2013? They can post their own videos and screenshots to the main website -- they can write their own articles.

Remember the pre-launch party? It didn't take them that long to write out their own information about FFXIV and it's future.

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So all this gameplay presentations and new art designs and Yoshi being interviewed by many gaming sites etc, isn't promoting?

Like what do you guys want? a commercial that plays a million times a day?? Clearly SE knows what they are doing.. they made a big mistake with initial launch but I am sure they know where they stand this time around..

I wasn't around on forums for 1.0. But judging from 2.0, these expectations/disappointment cycles are generated from people's inability to comprehend the information that was given them, compounded by preconceived ideas of what a game should be. Add in there a good ol' fashion rumormill and you've got a recipe for disaster that's not really in SE's control.

Problem is that the community it self speculate this and that... and now that Yoshi is being more open, ppl should stop speculating and stop end up being disappointed... =.= is annoying as shizzles.

I would prefer the careful, calculated advertising to a flood of promises that ultimately don't show in the Beta. Word of mouth will do the information spreading for them.

I'm more anxious for the Beta than I am for more gamplay info at this point. They've dropped info in interviews, Dev responces, Letters, etc to the point where I'm more wanting to actually play the game.

That's when we'll determine whether or not they've made communication mistakes or not. We're still 4 months away from 2013 - there's no huge reason to push promotion for a once-broken game at this stage. Wait until the players can confirm, through Beta Experience, that the game is going to be awesome, before SE starts broadcasting on loudspeaker that the game is awesome now and everyone should give it another chance.

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Originally Posted by SynysterBlitz

So all this gameplay presentations and new art designs and Yoshi being interviewed by many gaming sites etc, isn't promoting?

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This is basic stuff they could have shown off ever since they stated they completed the 2.0 client earlier this year -- It's not promotion because even SE themselves said they wouldn't release their own videos and so on which is the exact opposite of promoting your game.

You're fine with bare minimum, that's ok -- however the general population expected a lot more given the amount of hype people were given and this isn't exactly living up to it. Remember these: "All Summer Long" and "Flood of information starting with Gamescom", so no it's doing all that they could be doing. The only mistake made with 2010's launch was releasing it way before it was done, not promoting the game.

This topic is talking of news refreshing and new

If you are a fan of FF or any Square Enix game this should not be something you are unfamiliar with. Square are the worst for it but it is an industry wide problem. Developers fear us, we can be the harshest of critics. The internet is full of haters and trolls and those people always shout the loudest. I'll leave this article here which I think is very relevant to this. I know it's from Kotaku but trust me for once this is an excellent read.

http://kotaku.com/5928663/gamings-bi...-wants-to-talk

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

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There needs to be away to downvote a player's ability to post new topics to the point where they are disabled from doing so, or erase their threads from the thread listing when placed on ignore.

I have Rokien and Azurymber both on my ignore list, yet, when I go into the general discussion section there are no fewer than 3 topics by them on the listing.

They're on my ignore list, I shouldn't have to see the thread they make. Their incessant thread making is the very issue I put them on ignore to begin with. They can effectively troll the entire forum this way without punishment.

This really is a pox on the forum community.

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Report them and move on. Especially in the case of Rokien, all those threads do is try to rile up people. I know at least one of his threads got deleted after it was reported, so might as well give that a try.

Oh my gods!!! Jennestia!!! I have found some sort of respect, even tho i know you will defend this game with your teeth <.<

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

There needs to be away to downvote a player's ability to post new topics to the point where they are disabled from doing so, or erase their threads from the thread listing when placed on ignore.

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No, there really doesn't. As much as I dislike these threads, I'd rather this not become the Bioware forums.

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

If you are a fan of FF or any Square Enix game this should not be something you are unfamiliar with. Square are the worst for it but it is an industry wide problem. Developers fear us, we can be the harshest of critics. The internet is full of haters and trolls and those people always shout the loudest. I'll leave this article here which I think is very relevant to this. I know it's from Kotaku but trust me for once this is an excellent read.

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Except everyone here and elsewhere are jizzing their pants over this leak.

Please cry some more. Yoshi is doing another LIVE letter soon. Plenty of info then. Speculate all you want.

Try having one of those ppl in your ls. You can blist them but their trolling still shows up in ls chat. Fml.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I understand the whole "secrecy" thing, but now that they can show gameplay and the game is near alpha stages, it really needs to stop.


SE has tried the whole "secrecy" thing before, and it has only brought them trouble.

When open beta was out, people thought that the game was only a quarter of what they would get on official release. If you go back and look at the old forum posts on zam you will see people claiming there will be new classes, twice or three times as many zones (there was a close zone near every atheryte crystal and people thought they would instantly be opened to actual zones, not instances), much cooler looking equipment, a reduction in lag because they were only using 'test servers', and various other things that never came true.

No surprise, when the game was released in the same state as open beta a ton of people quickly rage quit and gave the game incredibly low ratings.

Then the -exact- same thing happened with the first few patches, people speculated that ishgard would open up by christmas, lag would be fixed etc. Once again, disappointment and people quitting.

Then when Yoshi-P took over the -same- thing happened once again.

And now, for what is probably the 4th or 5th time, it is happening again.

By being vague, Yoshi-P is creating rumors and speculation
And when people speculate they generate expectations
And when expectations are not met, most people experience disappointment

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Buddy, what's wrong with you? The game is good as it is. Wit 2.0 will get even better.

You can't even compare with what happened before. Chill out

sooo where is that flood of info?

Guess all summer long is going to be the last day of summer.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

By being vague, Yoshi-P is creating rumors and speculation
And when people speculate they generate expectations
And when expectations are not met, most people experience disappointment

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This is the exact same thought that went thru my head seeing all this stuff related to ARR. The game looks like a tech demo, with all the lighting and fancy shadows and what not. Where is the scalability? Why does the game look so much more graphically intense than the current game? And what about showing the game being played with a *large* number of people?

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

If you are a fan of FF or any Square Enix game this should not be something you are unfamiliar with. Square are the worst for it but it is an industry wide problem. Developers fear us, we can be the harshest of critics. The internet is full of haters and trolls and those people always shout the loudest. I'll leave this article here which I think is very relevant to this. I know it's from Kotaku but trust me for once this is an excellent read.

http://kotaku.com/5928663/gamings-bi...-wants-to-talk

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Hahahahahaha. Jason Schreier.

Now I advise you read Gabe from Penny-Arcade's thought on it: http://penny-arcade.com/2012/08/03

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Originally Posted by SynysterBlitz

So all this gameplay presentations and new art designs and Yoshi being interviewed by many gaming sites etc, isn't promoting?

Like what do you guys want? a commercial that plays a million times a day?? Clearly SE knows what they are doing.. they made a big mistake with initial launch but I am sure they know where they stand this time around..

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I just want something where I don't have to get it through third party sources. All the information they're giving out is to people have have money and time enough to attend conventions (in other countries even), and as for the rest of us, they're hush-hush and only let us find out what attendees happen to record and give to the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

I just want something where I don't have to get it through third party sources. All the information they're giving out is to people have have money and time enough to attend conventions (in other countries even), and as for the rest of us, they're hush-hush and only let us find out what attendees happen to record and give to the rest of us.

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^^^ This

If it wasn't for shaky cellphone (most likely) cameras we wouldn't know about the video presentation.
If it wasn't for some guy playing around the website we wouldn't know about Summoner and Arcanist.
Then there's the beta sign up thing, some people are saying that they signed up on the EU conventions, yet SE (as far as I can remember) hasn't said anything about it.

And of course, this is only the start of their big "flood" of information, who knows what other crazy decisions will SE take.

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

If you are a fan of FF or any Square Enix game this should not be something you are unfamiliar with. Square are the worst for it but it is an industry wide problem. Developers fear us, we can be the harshest of critics. The internet is full of haters and trolls and those people always shout the loudest. I'll leave this article here which I think is very relevant to this. I know it's from Kotaku but trust me for once this is an excellent read.

http://kotaku.com/5928663/gamings-bi...-wants-to-talk

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I'm confused. Kotaku is part of the whole "OMG ENTITLED GAMERS ARE RUINING THE INDUSTRY" group, yet they're publishing an article that's asking for *more* than what the game companies are giving us? I tend to avoid giving them clicks but lol at that post.

I guess they're trying to not spoil the hype and release information slowly to keep the excitement alive.

But they are running the risk of being overly secretive.
Like you said:

Speculation > Expectation > Disappointment

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Originally Posted by Rokien

sooo where is that flood of info?

Guess all summer long is going to be the last day of summer.

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:/ I wouldn't even feel disappointed if THEY hadn't claimed we'd have a FLOOD of information ALL SUMMER. Maybe if they said "SOME info at the END of summer" I'd be like 'chill out and wait like the rest of us', but they themselves claimed it would happen, and thus I am frowny faced at seeing it not happening. :C

People didn't quit because of the speculations, they quit for their own reasons, and the game wasn't enjoyable for them.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

sooo where is that flood of info?

Guess all summer long is going to be the last day of summer.

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OH. MY. GOD.

Rokien said something I can agree with

S-E doesn't care about the core-gamers who already pay their monthly sub fee.
The hype train is only needed to get all the World of Warcraft population.
I mean, WoW + Final Fantasy = WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE SUBS?

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

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There needs to be away to downvote a player's ability to post new topics to the point where they are disabled from doing so, or erase their threads from the thread listing when placed on ignore.

I have Rokien and Azurymber both on my ignore list, yet, when I go into the general discussion section there are no fewer than 3 topics by them on the listing.

They're on my ignore list, I shouldn't have to see the thread they make. Their incessant thread making is the very issue I put them on ignore to begin with. They can effectively troll the entire forum this way without punishment.

This really is a pox on the forum community.

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Posts like this are so unecessary. At the end of the day, it's just people's opinions. If you don't agree with it, you can either a) ignore the post or b) tell them your opinion on the matter. It's how forums work and if people can't handle that, then maybe they should just stay away from forums full stop.

As far as the topic at hand goes, I'm afraid SE regard the info we've gotten so far as a flood of info. There's the website, the two CGI-trailers, screenshots and tons of interviews. On paper it might look like a lot, the only problem is most of the info we've gotten is things we already knew.

Final Disappointment XIV

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Originally Posted by Jacien

Hahahahahaha. Jason Schreier.

Now I advise you read Gabe from Penny-Arcade's thought on it: http://penny-arcade.com/2012/08/03

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While I don't agree with Gabe's article entirely, the Kotaku writer is just wrong. Gabe did point out the scale and pressure of releasing things to the press. That's something the Kotaku article didn't really take into account.

He didn't mention though that the Kotaku article's comparison to Hollywood was flat out false. Depending on the film, they are very secretive about everything. Even once the movie has been screened, (gaming's equivalent would be open beta), they still are adamant that the actors on the project are tight lipped. Just look at many of the promotional interviews with Gary Oldman for the Dark Knight Rises.

He also didn't mention industry competitors. When the game isn't released yet, you don't really want to be giving away certain things about your game that could potentially one up your competition. These things are meant for post release, but until then, it's obvious why you'd want to keep your mouth shut on certain subjects.

I don't know what that Kotaku writer was thinking with but, it sure wasn't their head.

Geez, just relax.
We are in August already. In 2-3 months we'll have a Beta.