7.3 Unreal Vent

So I usually don't like making negative kinds of posts, but I just want to know if anyone feels the same.

I came back to the game to try out 7.3, and of course I wanted to try Unreal. I watched a guide and figured, "Okay, this can't be as difficult as Suzaku." And for the most part, it wasn't. Of course we wiped a lot, but then we started to get the mechanics down and stopped dying.

But there's just one mechanic I can't stand—and I refuse to go back into it because of this: that BS enrage near the end, the 0.2% health-left wipe.

Last patch cycle, I accepted it even though I didn't like it. I trudged through that mess on Suzaku every week just to get some virtual leaves to give to a dog with a big head. Well, I refuse to spend the next few months repeating this same enrage nonsense. And now I’m guessing the boss after this one will also have that absurd mechanic too.

So Square, you can keep your fake leaves. I’m sick of this trash. If I die 30 times to mechanics before that, okay—my fault. But enrage? Enrage is just such garbage.

And yeah, I know: “Skill issue” / “Mad 'cause bad.” I just don’t care anymore. I’m calling it how I see it.


Edit - I've sort of changed my mind a bit, while i still don't like the enrage mechanic I think I'm just gonna continue to push through...

Enrages have existed in extreme/unreal trials for years, hello? If you reach enrage, its not because their health is low, its because your DPS was too low.

I mean it is indeed a skill issue situation there is nothing else to it..if you cant get over an extreme enrage either you or your party are performing very poorly or there are some unnecesary deaths, there is nothing more to say.

This one's already better than Suzaku. Maybe not by much, but we got both clears in three tries. Only saw the start of enrage both times with deaths included.

Byakko was so braindead even a party with multiple deaths and completely desynchronized bursts could clear it. I'm glad the bar has risen to "try not to die" and "try to do your group buff when the group is actually bursting". I feel like it's bare minimum at lvl100... although it's unfortunate the market has not recovered since late EW. Gone are the days we used to sell mounts for nearly 20M in my server.


I wish everyone the best of luck finding fox tiles this unreal!

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Originally Posted by Dillon0_o

So I usually don't like making negative kinds of posts, but I just want to know if anyone feels the same.

I came back to the game to try out 7.3, and of course I wanted to try Unreal. I watched a guide and figured, "Okay, this can't be as difficult as Suzaku." And for the most part, it wasn't. Of course we wiped a lot, but then we started to get the mechanics down and stopped dying.

But there's just one mechanic I can't stand—and I refuse to go back into it because of this: that BS enrage near the end, the 0.2% health-left wipe.

Last patch cycle, I accepted it even though I didn't like it. I trudged through that mess on Suzaku every week just to get some virtual leaves to give to a dog with a big head. Well, I refuse to spend the next few months repeating this same enrage nonsense. And now I’m guessing the boss after this one will also have that absurd mechanic too.

So Square, you can keep your fake leaves. I’m sick of this trash. If I die 30 times to mechanics before that, okay—my fault. But enrage? Enrage is just such garbage.

And yeah, I know: “Skill issue” / “Mad 'cause bad.” I just don’t care anymore. I’m calling it how I see it.

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Really. REALLY check how you play and your rotation.

Im wracking my brain to find the exception... but... doesnt every extreme have an enrage? Sure, some fights are easy to the point that hitting enrage is harder then clearing, but its still THERE. And being based on extremes, every unreal would have an enrage as well. Enrage exists to prevent fights from just becoming drawn-out war of attrition slogs. I remember a week 1 Ridoranna where the Math Boss took more then 25 mins to kill. There were 3 or 4 people who played essentially perfectly, and 20ish who were on the ground for more then 15 mins each. They would throw out a couple raises where they could, but whoever they got up would inevitably die(either to lack of healing on raidwides, or to the next spin-cycle attack). It was amazing, it was painful, it was painfully amazing and amazingly painful.

Most fight from EX onward have a soft or hard enrage. Unreal is made so that you have a fixed ilvl, so enrage is not a negligeable factor, but you shouldn't reach it that often. It's probably an issue with your group's overall DPS and/or people dying too much during the fight. But that's PF for you, the only thing you can focus on is your own performance.

Don’t a lot of ‘normal’ difficulty fights technically have enrages too? It’s just that the bar to pass it is generally so low you’ll never be in the danger zone anyway? It’s not like they’re a new thing.

Even as someone who hasn’t done savage since like, Deltascape floor 1&2 (longboi dragon and eyeball) it was always a given that a fight would probably have some form of ‘enrage’.

Not to say that it always being there makes it ‘correct’ or ‘ideal’ design. But aren’t enrages also overcome mostly passively by improving gear anyway? I always figured they used them because you can either surpass early them with ‘skill’, or by ‘preparation’ by getting the absolute best gear and melds and whatever beforehand. The latter takes longer but means even those who struggle can still have a chance

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Originally Posted by Connor

Don’t a lot of ‘normal’ difficulty fights technically have enrages too? It’s just that the bar to pass it is generally so low you’ll never be in the danger zone anyway? It’s not like they’re a new thing.

Even as someone who hasn’t done savage since like, Deltascape floor 1&2 (longboi dragon and eyeball) it was always a given that a fight would probably have some form of ‘enrage’.

Not to say that it always being there makes it ‘correct’ or ‘ideal’ design. But aren’t enrages also overcome mostly passively by improving gear anyway? I always figured they used them because you can either surpass early them with ‘skill’, or by ‘preparation’ by getting the absolute best gear and melds and whatever beforehand. The latter takes longer but means even those who struggle can still have a chance

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There are a few in the alliance raids(first boss in dun scaith comes to mind - fight goes too long and all 8 squares are dangerous to the death cast). In normal trials bismark will eventually break the island, and ravanna will eventually smash all the walls(anti-knockback would still save you, and... if you line up directly with a pillar does that work? do the pillars stand and block? not sure). There are also a couple more who add damage+ at the end of their cycle, so if you let them drag forever they become unhealable. But normal-difficulty enrages are pretty rare overall.

This unreal is very easy to do. I did on my first try. Enrage was there but it was half-way done so we already killed the boss.

The reason why you see enrage:

- People die, so debuff on them
- People fail towers so you get damage down debuff which is also bad.

And people will fail towers because it's one of those "i forgot my position because I sat clock-wised and now I'm confused".

Either way it's way easier than previous unreal.

Also for the person who said "best of luck to find foxes", its pure rng if they are included or not but finding them is mega easy since you can use cheat codes for it.

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Originally Posted by Dillon0_o

But there's just one mechanic I can't stand—and I refuse to go back into it because of this: that BS enrage near the end, the 0.2% health-left wipe.

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Those "BS enrages" are quite literally the only reason DPS jobs have any relevancy. Without an enrage, you could just stack tanks to guarantee your success through attrition.

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

Also for the person who said "best of luck to find foxes", its pure rng if they are included or not but finding them is mega easy since you can use cheat codes for it.

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I know it's pure RNG, I was just being nice and wishing them good RNG lol
Go ahead and share your cheat codes with the class!

I agree that the enrage in Suzaku wasn't fun. It's an outlier from all the other Unreals we've had, where even completely flawless parties seemed to mostly kill it during the enrage phase. This didn't even happen when I did in Stormblood, where lots of kills were long before enrage even with deaths. It varied depending on the party and it was likely due to it being release in the second patch of the tier, where some people just had REALLY good gear. You don't get a gear advantage in Unreal because it's virtually Minimum Item Level synced.

I haven't done Seiryu unreal yet, but I have done it for years in Min Item Level parties and it's the kind of fight I can teach to a fresh party and usually clear it. It's one of the few MINE parties I jump in for fun because there's a realistic prospect to clear a fresh party as a RDM. It does have some mechanics that can be a tough prog, but there's just more leeway with them, so I've been expecting to have an easier time with this one. Nevertheless, the "potentially tough" mechanics have concerned me a little in the event they made the enrage overly tight like with Suzaku, so I'll have to see.

I agree that the enrage on Byakko was incredibly lenient, but I think the context is just that it's one of the easiest extremes in the entire game. I cleared it in 3 pulls in Stormblood and I think in 2 for Unreal. It's almost literally just "oh I should have stood there for that", "oh I should use this CD for that and Provoke after", so it just ends up a few pull prog where mistakes can be healed through.

In contrast, if the fight itself is a rough prog, a tight enrage can put people off and that's normal for a Savage fight, but not really for Extremes. Usually when an Extreme is "current" the enrage isn't even tight. Take Zalenia for example - I had gone weeks not even seeing its enrage cast a single time despite lots of deaths, while Suzaku we were just barely scraping by. It didn't make sense that a current Extreme had a more trivial enrage than old content that is widely treated as people's first step into high-end content and is synced accordingly.

Hmm did we play the same unreal? This is HEAPS better than the last one. We had like 10 deaths and still cleared... on the first attempt... blind. It's nearly as easy as the normal mode version TBH. The last one, Suzaku, on the other hand is a nasty snapshot-fest with ultra strict DPS check that if get 2 deaths, it's a near enrage.

So not sure where this is coming from.

I loved Seiryu EX, better than watching people get hard stuck vs the adds in P1 Suzaku.

It's not normal, it's meant to have an enrage.

It's an upscaled extreme.

Enrage timers exist to prevent things like stacking Tanks and playing a war of attrition.

They also exist so fights don't drag out forever as they usually only have a set amount of mechanics in their script.


They're also a fundamental part of MMO's... I went in with my friends and some PF. We had multiple deaths and some damage downs and still beat the enrage (it's not because of gear either because downscaled to 695)


Compared to Suzaku - This fight is much easier and way more fun.

You can do it, just keep truckin' on.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Those "BS enrages" are quite literally the only reason DPS jobs have any relevancy. Without an enrage, you could just stack tanks to guarantee your success through attrition.

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people that have a basic understanding of pressing their buttons can most likely clear the content with 8 tanks

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Enrage timers exist to prevent things like stacking Tanks and playing a war of attrition.

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I think that is the actually the more fun aspect, to play the game in weird ways. As enrage timers are basically a reinforcement of dancefight choreography and proper burst windows.

Which is for two different camps of raiders. Those that want to experiment and those that want rote memorization.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

I think that is the actually the more fun aspect, to play the game in weird ways. As enrage timers are basically a reinforcement of dancefight choreography and proper burst windows.

Which is for two different camps of raiders. Those that want to experiment and those that want rote memorization.

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An enrage timer doesnt prevent experimentation. It just puts pressure on it. Being unkillable isnt enough, you need to deal sufficient damage as well. Several ultimates have been beaten by non-standard comps(tank only, etc). Im pretty sure this can be too. So experiment away.

Yeah, ok, the party I joined we 1-shot it as a fresh prog. The reclear was a 1-shot as well, even with deaths and damage downs.

If you're not confident in the mechanics, go into the Stormblood version of it unsynced on your own and practice the mechanics.

If you're confident in the mechanics and they aren't getting anywhere, you can tell them you need to feed your goldfish, leave the party and try a different one.

If you're struggling with Seiryu, I can't wait to see your thread once Tsukuyomi comes out.

So many PF people are gonna die to the dark and light debuffs.


I await the "Tsukuyomi unreal is too hard" thread.

Enrage is almost never a problem in extremes if no one in the team dies, or makes huge mistakes. Its only there to avoid the situation where people repeatedly die over and over again, and then still get a clear. There must be a punishment at some point and a time/dps factor is a good way to measure this.

To me the stormblood extremes so far have been extremely dull as mechanic wise there just isnt a lot. While Seiryu at least does have a bit more going than the previous 2, im still missing thordan unreal.

How do you even see enrage? It is basically nonexistent in extreme fights. You can also just use food and potions to make it even easier. Enrage is nothing but a skill check and it is very good that they exist. Fights would be incredibly boring without enrage because then mistakes and lack of damage would not matter at all. It is just there so you dont get free clears. (Although unreal is already pretty free)

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Originally Posted by Kishin12345

How do you even see enrage? It is basically nonexistent in extreme fights. You can also just use food and potions to make it even easier. Enrage is nothing but a skill check and it is very good that they exist. Fights would be incredibly boring without enrage because then mistakes and lack of damage would not matter at all. It is just there so you dont get free clears. (Although unreal is already pretty free)

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I've seen groups enrage on Arkveld and that fight has like a 12 minute enrage timer.


One of the most lenient DPS checks for an extreme I've seen in a long time.

may i suggest not playing dps then at least you can let others carry the damage so you dont see enrage extreme fights already have a pretty lax dps check as it is and this fight is way easier than suzaku

I kind of wish Unreal versions were added to the pool of the duty finder permanently rather than being something timed; sure you're given a lot of time to do it, but not everyone plays everyday or want to be on the game 24/7 (like play other games).

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

I kind of wish Unreal versions were added to the pool of the duty finder permanently rather than being something timed; sure you're given a lot of time to do it, but not everyone plays everyday or want to be on the game 24/7 (like play other games).

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They are. They're called Extremes, will scale you down to their intended level and may be powercrept by job changes over the years - and yet, people will groan at the idea of them even showing up in a roulette (hello mentors).

Unless you mean in the sense that you remain scaled up, then whats the point of keeping Extremes.