Roulette Dungeons Should NOT Be Harder

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Does anyone remember the original "Steps of Faith"? No? Too old for you to remember?

People would ragequit before even starting the dungeon/trial because it was too long and there were too many wipes. People wouldn't pay attention to the simplest of mechanics and it wasn't worth the amount of time it took to clear it.

We have to accept dungeons as an EZPZ tome method and that making things harder is just going to lead to more ragequits before the dungeon even starts.

Bait used to be funny

I don't know about baits or the conclusion, but the picture is a big mood when it comes to this community.

If you want to run harder stuff, isn’t that what PF is for

Who says they need to be hard? They could at least be fun lol

I don't want dungeons to be harder. I want dungeons to be more varied and interesting.

For example, small, non-fatal interactions with a dungeon's environment: The binding traps littered throughout Hullbreaker Isle. The tornadoes and waterspouts of Neverreap. The water faucets in Saint Mocianne's Arboretum. The wandering tonberries in Wanderer's Palace. Etc.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Who says they need to be hard? They could at least be fun lol

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I think it's important to recognize that SE no longer designs dungeons in FFXIV. They are boss fights punctuated by indistinguishable mobs. Basically all the raids/trials/dungeons are "boss in an arena" with some largely-irrelevant frills thrown in.

There's nothing fun about it.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

I don't want dungeons to be harder. I want dungeons to be more varied and interesting.

For example, small, non-fatal interactions with a dungeon's environment: The binding traps littered throughout Hullbreaker Isle. The tornadoes and waterspouts of Neverreap. The water faucets in Saint Mocianne's Arboretum. The wandering tonberries in Wanderer's Palace. Etc.

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That would be a start. Currently the corridors between bosses would be no less interesting if they could be cleared with auto-run/auto-attack.

Just make all the dungeons hard instead of some and people who wanna ragequit can just not do dungeons.

They've already made things harder and for the most part people are fine with it so the OP is a moot point.

The bigger issue is every dungeon being AOE two packs -> boss -> AOE two packs -> boss -> AOE two packs -> boss. I understand the current design is a direct result of player behavior with the old designs, but there must be ways they can mix it up. WoW had a dungeon in Wrath that was just one big room with prison cells and each boss was a prisoner that busted out, maybe they could experiment with stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

it wasn't worth the amount of time it took to clear it.

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Unironically, just give pity resource then?

Like, literally just give some tomes per minute per active player (divided by party size) and increased New Player Clear Bonuses after some minimum time. Still more efficient to gottagofastfastfast, but dampens the sting.

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We have to accept dungeons as an EZPZ tome method and that making things harder is just going to lead to more ragequits before the dungeon even starts.

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...Not really; we have Hunts for that. Easier still, and more efficient.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

I don't want dungeons to be harder. I want dungeons to be more varied and interesting.

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Tbf, people will end up calling any variance enough to make them look fully away from Netflix for more than a spurt of boss DDR as "harder".

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

That would be a start. Currently the corridors between bosses would be no less interesting if they could be cleared with auto-run/auto-attack.

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Really hoping it's hyperbole. Mitigating/healing/rolling DPS CDs on trash isn't much, but it's something. It should become more intense and varied, not less, or should be removed altogether in favor of some dungeons just taking outright boss arenas or including randomized puzzles if it comes down to it.

Seriously:

Make one new "hard(er)" roulette that rewards primarily weekly-cap tomes.

(And, as a universal change, have overflowed tomes downgrade -- Current Tier -> Last Tier -> Poetics.)

You only have to do some 5 of them per week, so it's not as if players who don't want to involve themselves would have to. If they just really, really want the Last Tier Tomes / Poetics, there are Hunts for that at greater efficiency.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

They've already made things harder and for the most part people are fine with it so the OP is a moot point.

The bigger issue is every dungeon being AOE two packs -> boss -> AOE two packs -> boss -> AOE two packs -> boss. I understand the current design is a direct result of player behavior with the old designs, but there must be ways they can mix it up. WoW had a dungeon in Wrath that was just one big room with prison cells and each boss was a prisoner that busted out, maybe they could experiment with stuff like that.

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I guess you're referring to the people who didn't quit when the dungeons got harder.

Having something like Unreal difficulty dungeons, where it's literally an old dungeon updated to current numbers, would also help dungeons be a little more interesting just by giving us a tad more variety. Stick those into Expert roulette and you'd get something more than just the coinflip roulette we have now.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

For example, small, non-fatal interactions with a dungeon's environment: The binding traps littered throughout Hullbreaker Isle. The tornadoes and waterspouts of Neverreap. The water faucets in Saint Mocianne's Arboretum. The wandering tonberries in Wanderer's Palace. Etc.

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The blue/purple light in Dzemael Darkhold that gives damage reduction + good dungeon music + interesting boss fight at the end + lots of mobs to pull. Fun for tanking and healing in my opinion. Stuff like that please.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

They've already made things harder and for the most part people are fine with it so the OP is a moot point.

The bigger issue is every dungeon being AOE two packs -> boss -> AOE two packs -> boss -> AOE two packs -> boss. I understand the current design is a direct result of player behavior with the old designs, but there must be ways they can mix it up. WoW had a dungeon in Wrath that was just one big room with prison cells and each boss was a prisoner that busted out, maybe they could experiment with stuff like that.

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Because people llloved a2 :3
And aurum vale. First room used to feek big.

Anyway. I used to like dungeons. Not anymore.
I liked them as half brainless chore. I dont like the sweat and busyness of current dungeons. I get my tryhard fix from other places.
But we probs dont go back to brainless chore mode.
So called hard modes of old dungeons were fun to me, too. But those were done away with in SB. Oh well.

og steps of faith had some fun player mechanics though