7.3 Deep Dungeon wishlist

I know we're less than a month away from the release, but I'm curious of something! :D
If you were able to design the Deep Dungeon however you want, what features would you want in it?

Personally I'd love if they added an element of powerups to jobs that is not generic X% Damage Increase X% Damage Taken Reduced.

For how bad WoW's Shadowlands was, it was a good thought experiment of how wacky and fun a FFXIV Deep Dungeon can get if the powers we find in the deep dungeon are tailored for our job rather than generic catch all powers.

Let me know what you'd want from the upcoming Deep Dungeon? It can be absolutely anything! :)

I absolutely know that my idea would never be implemented by the current CS3, but it is a nice thought anyway:

during a run, you can earn a currency by dispatching enemies or doing little tasks like activating objects in the instance. Said currency is only available in this current run (resetting to 0 whenever you start a new save file), and can be spend at a occasionally spawning merchant for Lost Actions (or an appropriately named equivalent). The kind of lost actions offered are randomized, and the more you play the Deep Dungeon, the more variety of actions become available for purchase.

That way, each run can become a unique experience based on what kind of actions you get, similar to how some roguelites do it. Should work well in a group as well in solo settings, too.
Also, new patches can even expand that by adding more actions to unlock, or tasks to complete. New expansions should uplift the deep dungeon so it always is relevant evergreen content.

lost actions

My hopes for a new DD:

1) more than two save slots

2) shake up the old pomander system and try something new

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Originally Posted by Ajisaii

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And essences to interact with them. Anything but the exact same system for the fourth time.

I'd love if it had a casual mode, even if with less rewards.

For casual mode I mean being able to leave and go back every floor. I say this because sometimes I simply don't have the time to go up 10 floors straight.

1. Gamewide change: LB2 now requires only at least 2 party members and LB3 at least 4 and no limit gauge is lost upon the disconnect of a player. If a party Vote Kicks someone, they may attempt to replace that person only via matchmaking, but a secondary timer is now shown that shows for how long a party member would need to remain offline before they can be kicked regardless of any Vote Kick cooldown, and, if a party kicks a player after that time, they may also attempt to replace them via Social List (Friends List, Linkshell, FC List, loaded on demand upon clicking the option). Invite recommendations may be made by any player (including the leader) and confirmed by the party leader.
   
   
2. Drop grid-based area generation in favor of something more organic.
   
   
3. Drop Pomanders in favor of something akin to Lost Actions (though a slightly pared down set, focused on the ones with the most gameplay or role-shifting opportunities rather than just output) or empowered and more customizable Phantom Jobs; ideally, an initial set of options (e.g., a role-adjusting passive, an active skill, and a further gameplay-affecting passive) should be available from the start. Or, since it's Il Mheg, maybe some manner of kiss-curse modifiers.
   
   
4. More conditional/tailored events. E.g., random-encounter-type events upon entering certain rooms... that won't trigger until you've finished your existing fight, healed up and moved at least a little, and give a warning ("You feel the presence of something dangerous nearby... and approaching."); long hallways with less dangerous mobs are more likely to lead to a boulder-chase event that allows you to speedrun through them via CC (letting the boulder finish them off); party may be split by pitfall traps into tailored sets of encounters for each half; etc., etc.
   
   
5. Multiple zone exits that determine what the next floor will be. (Some might involve getting a certain amount of item, favoring stealth. Another may grant bonus resource/currency based on speed of kills. Another may go to a boss fight. Another might have buried treasure. Another may have a puzzle. Etc., etc., each signaled by a particular icon.)
   
   
6. Maybe some interesting artifact (ability-bearing temporary gear) drops? Ideally including some pretty bizarre ones.

Make something else than a savage dungeon? Add better rewards, add super rare drops for replayability that arent cards?

I also misread it as criterion but cant delete a comment on my phone. Help

Nyzul Isle style

To fit with other rogue likes, I feel pomander buffs shouldn't be temporary for the floor, it should be a stackable buff that expires after you finish that floor set. Maybe other wacky buffs like sps/sks to the point your long casts might be instants. Actually embrace the wackiness you can get from chests and building your character to slaughter the enemies with ease... Barring luck let's you. My favorite part of Roguelikes like Cult of the Lamb or Binding of Isaac was the insane power creep you and the enemies did throughout the dungeons. Bad luck runs can still happen and make you restart, and that's fine. That's what a Roguelike is all about, imo.

Also, aside from the usual 100 floors, smaller rogue like dungeons, about the size of 3 or 4 floors with a boss at the end.

1) The map has a different structure than the quadrants linked by a corridor. Maybe longer rooms, bridges, balconies. Maybe just one HUGE floor that makes up for 9 levels, with boss rooms in between them - this means less, but bigger levels. I want to see them experiment with this rather than just a fake impression that the levels go horizontally rather than vertically, because that's actually meaningless to the gameplay.

2) Ditch pomanders and give us a fresh new auxiliary power system. It's Ill Mheg, add in pixie or fouath magicks.

3) The rare miniboss enemies in EO were one of the few cool additions there, but make them drop some rare treasure.

4) Make the second weapon upgrade actually BIS for the patch and something competitive to kickstart the 7.4.

5) Different types of traps, like corridor traps that you can actually see and try to avoid. Special locked rooms that require keys, etc.

Unlikely, but my biggest want:

For 7.45, with the Blue Mage update, let the job participate in the Deep Dungeons as a solo class. Potentially BST as well, depending on what the limited job actually can do.

For better balancing sake, make them use an exclusive spellbook per deep dungeon, with Water Cannon as a starter and everything else you collect from basic enemies, silver chest drops and boss kills. The next update adds PotD, and subsequent updates adds the rest (because I know they would say adding everything is too much work... :/).

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Originally Posted by XtremePrime

I know we're less than a month away from the release

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I could be happy for this... until it dawns on me that we're not actually a month away, but three months away since the DD comes in the midway minor patch :(

... What are the chances of the DD coming for launch or 7.3.1?

You know bridges from forked?

Do something like that as a zone transition that you can fall and fail

Just in general make the map more interesting than POTD 4.0 with the same boring aetherpool and pomanders

• Lost action system with randomized build options that change from run to run.
• Floors with adjustable light/darkness settings to change visibility (i.e. lighting lamps to make the floor brighter temporarily).
• Large tonberries that gank you if you spend too much time on a given floor.
• Currency options to create shortcuts (i.e. keys, tonberry lamp oil)
• Option to clear as Alpha, in reference to the Mystery Dungeon series.

A lot of good ideas. In regard to the one thing that keep deep dungeons from being truly epic and engaging in my opinion, I especially do support that the mode needs a power progression feeling, because once you're past the leveling floors, there is no progression beyond floor difficulty, and it makes everything monotonous. Make us get crazy perks and don't hesitate to give us exotic things and buffs to play with.

As for my own hopes I've already summarized them here.

( now watch them serve us Orthos reskinned with nothing more to it )

I'd love if DC didn't wipe my progress.

I think it needs to mix up the formula quite a bit. Introduce new mechanics, new things. Hell, throw in roguelike elements if need to, people love that stuff. Maybe even let people customize their job build with new skills and spells and passives

Make it an area that starts you at level 1 too, so people can level 1-100 with it. That'll garuntee it'll stay populated at least.

As it stands now I know I'll probably never touch it if it stays to the formula. Jobs just don't feel fun enough to take into a deep dungeon because all of them are resource spenders that burst every 2mins.

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Originally Posted by Valence

A lot of good ideas. In regard to the one thing that keep deep dungeons from being truly epic and engaging in my opinion, I especially do support that the mode needs a power progression feeling, because once you're past the leveling floors, there is no progression beyond floor difficulty, and it makes everything monotonous. Make us get crazy perks and don't hesitate to give us exotic things and buffs to play with.

As for my own hopes I've already summarized them here.

( now watch them serve us Orthos reskinned with nothing more to it )

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We know that they're innovating this time! After all, Yoshida said that there'll be a savage-tier boss after floor 99.

I just want something different and interesting with good rewards.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

We know that they're innovating this time! After all, Yoshida said that there'll be a savage-tier boss after floor 99.

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Hand me the gun so I can pull a Quintus.
From HW's era preferably, MCH sucks after that.

I hope you are aware this is more than a month away. This is almost certainly 7.35, so we have a good 3 months left.

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Originally Posted by Altina_Orion

I hope you are aware this is more than a month away. This is almost certainly 7.35, so we have a good 3 months left.

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Yeah I'm aware, but I think by the time 7.3 is out, there's virtually 0% chance for whatever is in this thread to be considered for adding as the deep dungeon would probably be mostly if not finished already.

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Originally Posted by XtremePrime

Yeah I'm aware, but I think by the time 7.3 is out, there's virtually 0% chance for whatever is in this thread to be considered for adding as the deep dungeon would probably be mostly if not finished already.

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With how their development schedule works, Deep dungeon is already 100% complete and ready for deployment

Make the enemies not total health sponges like in EO, that shit killed that content. And that content is dead by the way you cannot even queue into it in peak hours.
If its like EO, then you know without a doubt Squeenix does not read feedback

Any non-square-grid tile sets. That tech was figured out long ago devs, seemed basically perfected in ps2 era!
And if I am feeling really greedy, some unique tiles with unique hazards/rewards/etc. (like say the thin line mechanic from the fairy frog boss, no mou workshop that gives a free grip)
Alternate gate opening conditions would be neat as well (just not the nyzul switch order puzzle please).

For starters make the old content much much more viable, so POTD, HOH and Eureka Orthos will make sense to play by eg. upping progressive levels to level 100 instead of as it is now, 60/70/90 with potd. from Floor 101, HoH from floor 61 and finally Orthos from floor 61 as well.

Or something and on top of that, make more possible rewards or a reward cycle system, so these 3 months you can loot this or what additionally, but once time is up would be locked for untill the year after or something, keeping stuff alive and more to it.

Definately don't mind Deep Dungeons, they are hard content as one mistake can bash it all, which IS good, because it also keeps the requirements within everyone's reach.

People will probably disagree but i wish they would stop synching down Aetherpool on lower floors. People went through a grind to get it let them use it. Kinda tired in general when they nerf power in endgame-content

I feel they will make it same as EO and say: "it's a refreshed thing because we added a possibility for players to join and kill a boss". Then everyone will be shocked at something "new" that they added.