Ultimate classes

I have been thinking i know with the new occult patch they introduced classes such as Time mage, berserker, geomancer, oracle and etc. so I was thinking why not merge classes like Dark knight and Black mage to make Necromancer, Warrior and viper to Berserker, Astro and red mage to time mage, Geomancer would combine White mage with pictomancer but to unlock the ultimate skills make a pre-req to where you have to have the two classes at level cap to switch to the ultimate class kind of back to the original roots of having to level 2 classes to a certain level in order to unlock the advanced job classes

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Originally Posted by ZaneNephus

I have been thinking i know with the new occult patch they introduced classes such as Time mage, berserker, geomancer, oracle and etc. so I was thinking why not merge classes like Dark knight and Black mage to make Necromancer, Warrior and viper to Berserker, Astro and red mage to time mage, Geomancer would combine White mage with pictomancer but to unlock the ultimate skills make a pre-req to where you have to have the two classes at level cap to switch to the ultimate class kind of back to the original roots of having to level 2 classes to a certain level in order to unlock the advanced job classes

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This would force players to level other jobs, just so they can have access to the new skills. Players would exclude someone for not having x or y skills. This has already happend in the past when we could take class skills and use them on other ones. I remember players excluding healers without swift cast.

I level them all and I like this idea, but SE is not going to do this.

We used to have this:

Gladiator+Conjurer = Paladin
Marauder+Gladiator = Warrior
Pugilist+Lancer = Monk
Lancer+Marauder = Dragoon
Archer+Pugilist = Bard
Conjurer+Arcanist = White Mage
Thaumaturge+Arcanist = Black Mage
Arcanist+Thaumaturge = Summoner
Arcanist+Conjurer = Scholar
Rogue+Pugilist = Ninja

It was a tedious chore to level an unrelated class to unlock the job you actually wanted. It was good in that it got you to try other classes, but often they were just not what you were interested in. It was enough to put people off the game or come across complicated or confusing.

Over time, SE removed a lot of pointless or tedious things like that, and doesn't even make classes anymore.

sounds good i would like it. but it would lead to bad things in the community.

It is a bit annoying to me that SE had to shelves neat concept/system in order to not piss off some portion of the playerbase who's too lazy to level up jobs, even though it is super easy already with how generous the EXP is from leveling roulette.

They really don't want people to feel inconvenienced.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

It is a bit annoying to me that SE had to shelves neat concept/system in order to not piss off some portion of the playerbase who's too lazy to level up jobs, even though it is super easy already with how generous the EXP is from leveling roulette.

They really don't want people to feel inconvenienced.

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If SE is motivated by a desire to not piss off some portion of the player base, they are failing even more spectacularly than I thought.

I would suggest the opposite - rather than having two jobs lead to one, it would overall be better (not ideal) to have one job fork into two specializations. This would prevent the Heavensward sub job issues and missing skills.

On the flipside, offering a 2-way fork for specialization doesn't automatically make it great. Illusion of choice will occur due to the game's design philosophy making more damage generally the best option.

It can work, but it needs to be handled with extreme care... which I do not trust them to do well given track records.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

If SE is motivated by a desire to not piss off some portion of the player base, they are failing even more spectacularly than I thought.

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Oh but they already are for years lol. I argue that "streamlining" jobs during ShB is an example of that (for example, completely changed how AST card works because some crybabies can't handle not winning RNG all the time). Also when they relent and nerfed In From the Cold. Oh, and TG Cid fight as well.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Oh but they already are for years lol. I argue that "streamlining" jobs during ShB is an example of that (for example, completely changed how AST card works because some crybabies can't handle not winning RNG all the time). Also when they relent and nerfed In From the Cold. Oh, and TG Cid fight as well.

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Seem to recall they only nerfed the very easy mode of In From The Cold, which was a rare and much-needed response to feedback.

In From The Cold should be skippable, not because it's hard but because it's one of the worst quests ever of all time.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

We used to have this:

Gladiator+Conjurer = Paladin
Marauder+Gladiator = Warrior
Pugilist+Lancer = Monk
Lancer+Marauder = Dragoon
Archer+Pugilist = Bard
Conjurer+Arcanist = White Mage
Thaumaturge+Arcanist = Black Mage
Arcanist+Thaumaturge = Summoner
Arcanist+Conjurer = Scholar
Rogue+Pugilist = Ninja

It was a tedious chore to level an unrelated class to unlock the job you actually wanted. It was good in that it got you to try other classes, but often they were just not what you were interested in. It was enough to put people off the game or come across complicated or confusing.

Over time, SE removed a lot of pointless or tedious things like that, and doesn't even make classes anymore.

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Also, don't forget that you also needed to level a 3rd Job for cross-class skills, the system that eventually became the role actions.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

In From The Cold should be skippable, not because it's hard but because it's one of the worst quests ever of all time.

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Imagine being wrong.

In From The Cold gave us something to do outside talking with npc. I think one of the many reasons why dawntrail quests were so boring, is because the developers took the feedback from the complainers and. used it.

Having to play a class that you don't like just to access another class isn't fun, so I'd not want this system to exist.

Yeah let's not bring back cross class skills. I remember the hate I got as a white mage not having swiftcast because I didn't like thaumaturge and having that class stuck at 26 until Shadowbringers when the amaro mount came out.

I level everything now *by choice* and that's the important part of the equation. I've found I quite enjoy BLM now, though I haven't tried the newest version. But I shunned it for years because of the harassment I got because I didn't want to level it. And this was before you could get to 26 in a night. It took a bit of effort to get those classes up to 30 then.

They created the role action system specifically because the cross class system was the illusion of choice. There were actions you were absolutely going to take and the community didn't give you a choice in it. Those community required class skills just turned into the role actions.

I like the Idea very much, I have always wanted a mix of Paladin and dragoon to have the combo Halone uses, Shield and Spear

Plus, just like in older FF games, having your character specialize on different areas makes the Payout feel great

As a side note, they already said a few times Necromancer is off the table because of its "evil" connotations of raising the dead

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I would suggest the opposite - rather than having two jobs lead to one, it would overall be better (not ideal) to have one job fork into two specializations. This would prevent the Heavensward sub job issues and missing skills.

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This has been something I have wished as well, having a Ranger version of Bard, or a Non-ninja version of Rogue (Thief in OC?), with the 2-for-1 leveling deal Summoner and Arcanist have

I would go as far as to say that if those jobs were Roulette-limited (no ult or savage) I would still be extremely happy. In a sea of stagnation what the game needs is some fresh ideas and trying out new things

Unfortunately with SE's track record, we can expect them to do nothing because developing costs money, and they are more worried about Making Foamstars 2 or something

Cross class would be interesting if they are a collection of classes that can stand on their own without the help of the system itself to do their primary duties. It becomes ‘unfun’ when for whatever reason they lock crucial, key abilities such as Swiftcast, Provoke, and Rampart behind the system at that period of time.

Think of them like Lost Actions in all StQ content except DRS. Yes you can just ignore them. Your job still functions good enough for their primary duty because they technically don’t need those. But therein lies the potential for mix matching, opti, or just straight up getting silly without interfering the important part.