Machinest Further Nerfed PvE?

I haven't explored MCH enough at lvl 100 to understand its position along the rest of the Ranged DPS, but can someone explain to me why its potency across numerous spells was further lowered?

How much was it pulling ahead of the other Ranged Jobs to warrant it? That's ultimately what I wish to know.

Those were buffs, the falloff was reduced which is a net gain on AOE

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Those were buffs, the falloff was reduced which is a net gain on AOE

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I don't doubt what you say, but with the way I'm reading these patch notes, it makes it seem like it reduced its lethality overall "from the first target".
Can you elaborate more in-depth? I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, evidently.

It now has less damage reduction against additional targets.

Less reduction = less less = more. More damage.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

It now has less damage reduction against additional targets.

Less reduction = less less = more. More damage.

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This, it is a double negative, which sounds confusing, but makes sense.

It was another AoE buff, like they did in 7.2 to various other jobs.

They reduced the penalty to damage on targets after the first one. It's a buff.

Enjoy your AoE weaponskills being only worth over 8+ targets now.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Enjoy your AoE weaponskills being only worth over 8+ targets now.

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Their almost militant refusal to buff Auto Crossbow is really the baffling part. They either don't understand how Machinist works (which is honestly likely) or they want you to throw that thing off your hotbars.

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Originally Posted by Zelda206

I don't doubt what you say, but with the way I'm reading these patch notes, it makes it seem like it reduced its lethality overall "from the first target".
Can you elaborate more in-depth? I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, evidently.

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So basically, let's take the tooltip for Chainsaw : "Delivers an attack to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 600 for the first enemy, and 35% less for all remaining enemies."

Before 7.25 it was 50%, which means that when you used Chainsaw on a group of mobs, the first enemy took 600 potency worth of damage, and all others took 300 potency (50% less, so 600 / 2 = 300, 600 - 300 = 300)
Now that it is 35%, the first enemy still takes 600 potency worth of damage, but now all remaining enemies take 390 potency (35% of 600 is 210, so 600 - 210 = 390)

So it's basically a 90 potency gain on all enemies in the AoE, but no change to single target damage. Hope this was clear enough !

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

At least I can use Auto Crossbow as a Heat-dump in certain odd circumstances.

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The problem with Auto Crossbow isn't as obvious at first.
It is supposed to be your AoE equivalent to Blazing Shot, but in reality it is only a damage gain over simply using your single-target heat spender on 5 targets IF you still have stacks of Double Check and Checkmate available.
If you do not have any stacks of Double Check or Checkmate available then it is only a damage gain over Blazing Shot on 8 or more targets (which basically means never in the current dungeon design of hitting a wall after two trash packs), since it doesn't reduce the cooldown on your oGCDs.

Flamethrower is funnily enough still more useful than Auto Crossbow, because it ticks every second instead of every server tick (roughly every 3 seconds).
It's a damage gain over Scattergun on 3+ targets or technically 2+ targets if you can't make use of the +10 heat that Scattergun gives you for some reason.
You can use it to delay having to dump heat into Hypercharge since it doesn't generate any.
And because it functions similar to a DoT you can snapshot party buffs for it's full duration.

Yes, Machinist AoE is unnecessarily complicated.

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

So basically, let's take the tooltip for Chainsaw : "Delivers an attack to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 600 for the first enemy, and 35% less for all remaining enemies."

Before 7.25 it was 50%, which means that when you used Chainsaw on a group of mobs, the first enemy took 600 potency worth of damage, and all others took 300 potency (50% less, so 600 / 2 = 300, 600 - 300 = 300)
Now that it is 35%, the first enemy still takes 600 potency worth of damage, but now all remaining enemies take 390 potency (35% of 600 is 210, so 600 - 210 = 390)

So it's basically a 90 potency gain on all enemies in the AoE, but no change to single target damage. Hope this was clear enough !

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That is very informative and I understand what you are saying. If the percentage of the damage reduction is reduced, then the flat damage occurring increases. It's only if the flat damage is reduced is where it's a reduction overall and the "nerf" I misread it for.