Holding parties hostage should be reportable or punished.

Tanks having strong healing is already seen as controversial but when it's abused to solo normal mode trials for 30 minutes without your parties consent it makes people ask the devs to remove that part of the job that us courteous tank players find fun for HELPING people. we are being punished by your selfishness and ego tripping. If the devs actually read the healer and tank posts negatively talking about our sustain then we are all royally fugded thanks to you varmints!

I propose forced enrage after maybe 5 minutes or less have passed since all resser's died.
If not then make this behavior be punishable with temporary suspension.
My worst suggestion would be to just give tanks a res but....... man the healers are already salty enough with how much their responisibilities have been encroached on. shadowbringers healers can no longer have fun dps rotations, endwalker healers no longer have to heal most tanks in normal content, dawntrail tanks are even harder to kill in normal content and shadow wall, abyssal drain and living dead make dark knight actually good at sustaining it self.
If you want to make tanks thick healers then give us a res and give healers their dps back
otherwise let them play the game and do their job xD

Agree on enraging bosses
It would even be a fun challenge lol

I always wipe if im left alive and someone asks. (unless its like 10% on a dungeon then yeah no i can finish that lol)

Don't know why its a big deal, The only case of soloing a dungeon that would make sense is if your healers/dps kept failing the same mech over and over again where it would have finally been less time to just solo it, though that would require knowing the future so it's sort of pointless to try and solo in a lot of cases.

Also to my fellow Paladins PLEASE USE CLEMENCY on DPS if healer is down, you can actually target other players (fun fact) and keeping your dps alive is most important because the quicker the boss is down the better. This goes for other skills like intervention or stuff like aurora, nascent or even TBN keep your dps sustained at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I always wipe if im left alive and someone asks. (unless its like 10% on a dungeon then yeah no i can finish that lol)

Don't know why its a big deal, The only case of soloing a dungeon that would make sense is if your healers/dps kept failing the same mech over and over again where it would have finally been less time to just solo it, though that would require knowing the future so it's sort of pointless to try and solo in a lot of cases.

Also to my fellow Paladins PLEASE USE CLEMENCY on DPS if healer is down, you can actually target other players (fun fact) and keeping your dps alive is most important because the quicker the boss is down the better. This goes for other skills like intervention or stuff like aurora, nascent or even TBN keep your dps sustained at the very least.

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Sounds like l got to appreciate the paladin in my group. When stuff goes wrong, he would heal others with clemency

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

Sounds like l got to appreciate the paladin in my group. When stuff goes wrong, he would heal others with clemency

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I always see paladins heal themselves but not care about the dps.

as a Paladin main this frustrates me a lot, because they will not care about the DPS then we have to wait 20 minutes for the paladin to solo.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I always wipe if im left alive and someone asks. (unless its like 10% on a dungeon then yeah no i can finish that lol)

Don't know why its a big deal, The only case of soloing a dungeon that would make sense is if your healers/dps kept failing the same mech over and over again where it would have finally been less time to just solo it, though that would require knowing the future so it's sort of pointless to try and solo in a lot of cases.

Also to my fellow Paladins PLEASE USE CLEMENCY on DPS if healer is down, you can actually target other players (fun fact) and keeping your dps alive is most important because the quicker the boss is down the better. This goes for other skills like intervention or stuff like aurora, nascent or even TBN keep your dps sustained at the very least.

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I agree with all of this but I remember back in stormblood my healer got mad if I healed people in the instance lol

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

I agree with all of this but I remember back in stormblood my healer got mad if I healed people in the instance lol

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Honestly I have a rule with clemency
1. Good at times in raids when healers are struggled especially if one is down and you need to spot heal while they rez.
2. If the healer(s) are down it can obviously be useful if you got people still alive such as a dungeon situation some rare cases where you can carry the rest of the raid at like 20% or lower.
3. If the healer clearly is struggling to heal (This is generally rare and mostly when people are messing up mechs).
4. if you can't attack the boss perfectly fine to use.

I found myself using it a lot during the m5-m8 normal raids due to a lot of mess ups and being able to also use paladins cover skill on healers because of Big AOE's while using heavy mitigation really felt nice.

Though clemency should not be used if the healer is decent generally speaking, but even then if you think its going to save someone its likely better to use over nothing if you don't got cover or intervention up, I think Clemency is a very situational ability but in the cases where it's useful it actually feels great.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

I found myself using it a lot during the m5-m8 normal raids due to a lot of mess ups and being able to also use paladins cover skill on healers because of Big AOE's while using heavy mitigation really felt nice.

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My first run of M7N, as a WHM, I failed the petrification mechanic in the first phase. The PLD used back-to-back Covers to keep me alive through the proximity damage that followed because I was out of place, trying to get my bearings, etc. etc. I was like, "Yes, this is why Cover exists. A+ job."

Is it not reportable? Pretty sure it is if u say it in chat that you dont want them to waste your time and they dont listen.
Maybe word your reports better?
While i havent been subject to this in a dungeon, i have personally seen someone get removed from alliance raid for trying to solo last boss from like 7% (tank would take like 30 minutes for it lmao)

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Originally Posted by ThurinTurambar

Is it not reportable? Pretty sure it is if u say it in chat that you dont want them to waste your time and they dont listen.
Maybe word your reports better?
While i havent been subject to this in a dungeon, i have personally seen someone get removed from alliance raid for trying to solo last boss from like 7% (tank would take like 30 minutes for it lmao)

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Thing is this is more of a reaction to post clamoring for tanks nerfs in response to being held hostage. As one who enjoys being able to heal and save people with tanks I'd rather the core issue be addressed addressed butt heads get banned.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

My first run of M7N, as a WHM, I failed the petrification mechanic in the first phase. The PLD used back-to-back Covers to keep me alive through the proximity damage that followed because I was out of place, trying to get my bearings, etc. etc. I was like, "Yes, this is why Cover exists. A+ job."

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Yeah I really wish I felt like a actual "Paladin" more often with skills like cover and clemency being cool but too niche usually.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Thing is this is more of a reaction to post clamoring for tanks nerfs in response to being held hostage. As one who enjoys being able to heal and save people with tanks I'd rather the core issue be addressed addressed butt heads get banned.

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What if i tell you that the 'core issue' is lack/bad communication instead of tanks being able to survive (many bosses can kill with just your 123 heal and some mits). Just talk to your party if you got issues with something (do that when you dont have issues as well).
If you do happen to meet a tank that tries to solo from waaay to high hp% of the boss, its pretty simple thing really. First say "Please dont solo this, we can do it again as party faster". If they dont listen again you can say "Holding party hostage is reportable behaviour, please stop it". If they dont listen, you are well justified to report, while less tank sustain would not make such tank reconsider.
Some people need a strong convincing in form of penalty to change their ways.

Could the game explain some of duty finder culture? Sure, but i dont think it would eradicate the issue either (Skippers gona skip)

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Thing is this is more of a reaction to post clamoring for tanks nerfs in response to being held hostage. As one who enjoys being able to heal and save people with tanks I'd rather the core issue be addressed addressed butt heads get banned.

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Tanks should not be able to be a one man army. There is a point in the current design where the tank role has been sucking the air of every other role (healer especially), and asking to keep that state of things is not only selfish, but misguided. If the answer is "just increase storymode damage", then I am sorry to say but this ain't happening any time soon, although I do agree that unfortunately in storymode the only threat to tanks isn"t even busters that barely tickle, but party stacks and room wides, which they can unfortunately heal through most of the time.
The more rational take would rather be to keep what's interesting on the defensive kits of tanks while weeding out all the parasitic bloat. Focus tanks a lot more on covering allies, giving some occasional potent heals or saves here and there, but don't let them one man army encounters else it's literally the trinity you're destroying, and the game is still built around it at the core, no matter how much the devs have tried to brutalize it.

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Originally Posted by ThurinTurambar

Is it not reportable? Pretty sure it is if u say it in chat that you dont want them to waste your time and they dont listen.
Maybe word your reports better?
While i havent been subject to this in a dungeon, i have personally seen someone get removed from alliance raid for trying to solo last boss from like 7% (tank would take like 30 minutes for it lmao)

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it is actually not because remember you did accept to play a online game with other player you can only ask the person to.wope if they refuse they nothing else can be done

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Tanks having strong healing is already seen as controversial but when it's abused to solo normal mode trials for 30 minutes without your parties consent it makes people ask the devs to remove that part of the job that us courteous tank players find fun for HELPING people. we are being punished by your selfishness and ego tripping. If the devs actually read the healer and tank posts negatively talking about our sustain then we are all royally fugded thanks to you varmints!

I propose forced enrage after maybe 5 minutes or less have passed since all resser's died.
If not then make this behavior be punishable with temporary suspension.
My worst suggestion would be to just give tanks a res but....... man the healers are already salty enough with how much their responisibilities have been encroached on. shadowbringers healers can no longer have fun dps rotations, endwalker healers no longer have to heal most tanks in normal content, dawntrail tanks are even harder to kill in normal content and shadow wall, abyssal drain and living dead make dark knight actually good at sustaining it self.
If you want to make tanks thick healers then give us a res and give healers their dps back
otherwise let them play the game and do their job xD

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I'd like to suggest making the enrages a mechanic always
I don't like that you can fight a boss for 20+ minutes and get a kill because the healers spam res the people that refuse to learn the fight
They should be punished for dying and doing 0 damage because of it imo, at least in normal raids and trials

Nothing crazy, just like a hard 15m timer or something so you can't have a hilariously bad run go to victory