M7N is incredible

I've been honestly kind of lamenting the state of current content difficulty lately, where my options are either content that's easy enough to probably clear in one pull first try (and fairly boring on reclears), or content that's hard enough to probably require multiple lockouts in party finder. There's really not been much for in-between content, something that you can realistically clear in one lockout but will actually take a chunk of that time.

The 3rd of the new Arcadion raids released this patch honestly scratched that itch like nothing else has in this game for me. It took my group more than half of the lockout! And not because of like, one or two people who just couldn't stay alive, but because our whole group was figuring out the fight and actually had to learn and improve over the course of it. I got to have an incredibly satisfying experience in beating something challenging (for me, at least) without having to spend hours in party finder.

My only real complaint is that the look-away mechanic was a bit confusing at first, because it looks like a normal look-away mechanic, and it's easy to accidentally solve that way, so it wasn't the most intuitive to figure out.

But otherwise I loved it! I'm super excited to come back next week and try to do better at it. The Arcadion fights have all been great, but this one is my favorite by a big margin. I really hope we see more like this going forward! Thank you for making this!

Just did M7 this evening. What a spectacular fight. This is the kind of "normal" raid experience I want to have. Everything about it was fantastic. It was very fun to figure out and took a lot more time than your average "pull and clear" (M8 lol) fights. Felt incredibly rewarding to beat. Imo this might be the best normal raid in the game for me - gameplay-wise of course. Thematically idk if anything can beat good ol Alexslamder. 10/10 on M7 SE more of this plz.

have seen a group that struggled in that fight. they needed over an hour. they said its annoying and frastrating.

but im like: 'thats exactly the kind of content i wanna have a lot more often'

now since i didnt really need closely as much time for any of these fights and since it will change over the next few weeks due to accumulated ilvl and experience it wont last long... but for now i enjoyed it very much.

I found the fight very disappointing. The visibility was obnoxiously bad and the mechanics were easy and uninspired, like 90% of the fight was just dynamo/chariot. I will give credit at least for failure being decently punishing.

I enjoyed it, and found it OK (But I think it's very overhyped), bit repetitive, but much of it is just lent to the fact that it does punish and deal quite a lot of damage.

I think, in a few weeks this fight will be nothing special.

I personally found M5 to be the most enjoyable.

The main issue I got is that it has a fat ass and when I'm behind the boss I can't really see which weapon is glowing when I don't get the bludgeoning/stabbing cast name.
Obviously have to turn my camera and such or have to position myself to see it, no biggie, but it caught me a couple times even though I know what to look for. I'm not sure how that will go in savage.

Otherwise, yeah, really great fight, loved how fast it felt and it's the kinda speed we want more of! It has faster sequential mechanics than EX1 of dawntrail... in a normal raid! Love that.

I was really worried about M7 because of everyone saying it was a nightmare. The newer faster pace of this tier isn't the best for reflexes and 40-year-old brain, but I committed last night to getting through it and did M5 and M6 ok.

Got to M7 and I don't know if I just got lucky but it was the easiest one? Barely any deaths from anyone, we breezed through the dang thing in one go and it was done faster than the previous two. After all the hype from it, I kind of was like "that is it?" I didn't even die once (which if you knew how I am in raids is a miracle in itself).

Funny enough, I couldn't complete M8 last night because the group kept wiping over and over. After the 8th wipe, I was a tad tired.

This one took me an hour, And m8n also took me an hour... Now l am done with the story. It is a good thing that l don't do savage, so l don't ever have to go back there again to farm gear

Love the fight, can't wait for Savage. Kinda sus that Brute Bomber lives at 9-11, we fight him twice and he blows up a building in the fight though. What did SE mean by this?

My group ran it blind on Tuesday and we didn't clear in 90 minutes, but we had solved all the mechanics - we were too tired to try again. We regrouped again last night and one shot it. And then cleared M8 in five pulls, because he's much more bog standard in terms of expectations.

It was FUN to be able to figure out the mechanics entirely on our own the whole raid tier on voice chat. I am the one that figured out "THE PLANTS ARE BEHEMOTH COMETS" and I went to bed satisfied.

Sure, now that we know the tricks it will be very very easy. But day one blind clears are the BEST.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Got to M7 and I don't know if I just got lucky but it was the easiest one?

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Aside from the gaze mechanic, the tells in M7 are standard fare (seeing past a gigantic boss model notwithstanding). The difficulty comes from running around the arena on cue, and in that respect, I'd say that M6 is easier here just because of the distances involved.

In my experience, it's M5 that consistently racks up the body count. M8 seems to suffer from lack of Slice is Right experience and that some folks don't quite grasp, "it's always: he teleports to the edge, dashes through the middle, and then does a conal cleave; so stop running to where he just teleported."

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

Aside from the gaze mechanic, the tells in M7 are standard fare (seeing past a gigantic boss model notwithstanding). The difficulty comes from running around the arena on cue, and in that respect, I'd say that M6 is easier here just because of the distances involved.

In my experience, it's M5 that consistently racks up the body count.

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My team cleared M5 in about 6 pulls blind - we did have some problems with the background dancer frogs and the getting into the lights and stuff, but those who struggled with it have disabilities/mobility issues and the rest of us were able to scrape them off the floor enough for a clear.

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M8 seems to suffer from lack of Slice is Right experience and that some folks don't quite grasp, "it's always: he teleports to the edge, dashes through the middle, and then does a conal cleave; so stop running to where he just teleported."

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It's almost identical to Barbariccio's big conal attack. We actually called it that in voice chat. "Dash+ (Savage) Barbary" and didn't have any issues after that. We struggled with trying to figure out the best approach to the adds a few times, but that was mostly from trying to figure out whether they needed to be separated, and experimenting with a way to try to stop the countdown from increasing as fast (which we still haven't figured out on our own; time to go see if there even is a way.)

aint played the fight myself yet, but from what Ive seen its a resounding thumbs up, my bf was losing his mind wiping over and over and i was sitting thinking, wow this is amazing

seams to be a divisive fight, but its level 100 content. deal with difficulty for once.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

aint played the fight myself yet, but from what Ive seen its a resounding thumbs up, my bf was losing his mind wiping over and over and i was sitting thinking, wow this is amazing

seams to be a divisive fight, but its level 100 content. deal with difficulty for once.

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It seems that people who are used to Extremes and Savage fights are like "HELL YEAH THIS IS AWESOME" - especially since this was a blind prog and most of us don't get that since we'll tackle Extremes or Savages a little while after release.

And people who expect normal mode to be extremely easy hate it.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

aint played the fight myself yet, but from what Ive seen its a resounding thumbs up, my bf was losing his mind wiping over and over and i was sitting thinking, wow this is amazing

seams to be a divisive fight, but its level 100 content. deal with difficulty for once.

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Importantly, it's optional, so I can enjoy not dealing with it.

Spent 40 minutes with people trying to clear the fight lol

Def a good fight

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Originally Posted by chip793

Kinda sus that Brute Bomber lives at 9-11, we fight him twice and he blows up a building in the fight though. What did SE mean by this?

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It's just an unfortunate intersection of references – the floor being Nine and the buildings we have access to are 11 and 14.

I love them all. I'm going to enjoy them until they become trivialized by muscle memory and ilevel.

I hope we get more fights like this! The multiple arena changes, and Brute Abombinator's environmental attacks, and the pace are just so good! Just a good old fashioned, simple, but effective slugfest.

Seems about as difficult as any new fight that comes out. Heck getting hit by things is actually very forgiving as long as you don't get petrified.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

It seems that people who are used to Extremes and Savage fights are like "HELL YEAH THIS IS AWESOME" - especially since this was a blind prog and most of us don't get that since we'll tackle Extremes or Savages a little while after release.

And people who expect normal mode to be extremely easy hate it.

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I dunno, I enjoy Extremes and Savages but this one just really felt very meh, especially after how fun and quirky M5-6 were. Everyone is gushing about the supposed "difficulty" but I really just don't see it. Aside from failure being VERY punishing, the fight is by far the least interesting of this tier with almost the entire fight being just one mechanic over and over again.

As I said in another thread - for a level 100, mid-tier, optional raid, M7 is pretty much exactly the difficulty that things should be by this point. Pretty much the only mech I can see not being immediately obvious is using the adds to block the gaze, since I'm pretty sure that's only shown up in a handful of very optional pieces of content (T7, P8S, a CE in Bozja...), but the rest is pretty standard. Pretty much all the mechanics are still telegraphed, you just need to use your eyes.

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Originally Posted by Leap

I've been honestly kind of lamenting the state of current content difficulty lately, where my options are either content that's easy enough to probably clear in one pull first try (and fairly boring on reclears), or content that's hard enough to probably require multiple lockouts in party finder. There's really not been much for in-between content, something that you can realistically clear in one lockout but will actually take a chunk of that time.

The 3rd of the new Arcadion raids released this patch honestly scratched that itch like nothing else has in this game for me.

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Honestly, enjoy these wipes while they last, because you'll never see them again in no time at all.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Honestly, enjoy these wipes while they last, because you'll never see them again in no time at all.

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I think a lot of people aren't realizing this. The "difficulty" of this fight is gonna drop like crazy as people gear up over the next few weeks and deaths turn into vuln stacks

its the same in every tier. people act as if the difficulty is crazy and then they adapt / learn the mechanics / get better ilvl so the fights become kinda boring.... only to be scared by / hate on the next tier for the first few weeks