Do you think the game will ever get better and if so when?

I recently took a vacation off ffxiv to broaden my horizons. i've always been a 1 game andy and desperately afraid of being on my own for more than five minutes... so the idea of not playing ffxiv was like having a part of myself gutted. i kept making excuses why i should keep playing the game
- my friends are here (yea like all 3 of them)
- how will I function without my wol for FIVE minutes
- new games are scary and I cba learning the controls
- there's no other good MMOs on the market rn that fill in ffxiv (greetings from MHWilds)

but after finally cutting the umbilical cord i was able to take a look at the game in hindsight (and yea, a week isnt enough to form that but its been something i've been thinking about since 6.3)
- I noticed when playing wilds what REAL gameplay felt like and its great to see a game that CARES about its lore!
- I noticed when watching sonic 3 what GOOD compelling storytelling looks like.
- I noticed when replaying some of the older title like kingdom hearts how good boss battles and combat systems can look!

it all got me thinking.. im looking for something.. that i just DON'T find in ffxiv. i'm even starting to wonder if i EVER found it. SEGA listens to its fans, CAPCOM listens to the feedback, SQUARE used to put quality and ingenuity first... but with ffxiv.. i don't feel hopeful things will get better.. im dreading they just always stay the same, because that's all we've ever seen. And so i put it to you, what do YOU think? is there hope or is ffxiv an unavoidable sinking ship
- if the latter, what's keeping you around

The fact you unironically compared Sonic and Wilds to FFXIV... Lmao. And I am a critic of SE and FFXIV in general but man what a comparison

Do what Sonic would do or something.

The FFXIV Cycle or something

Does it need to be better? I think it's fine the way it is, except for the glamour system.

I get a similar feeling when playing other games and then jumping back into FFXIV. While it's not the best idea to compare single player games to FFXIV since the latter is supposed to be an MMO. It still shows, however, that FFXIV is lacking in gameplay creativity when it comes to mostly the normal and easily accessible content.

Though it may not happen for awhile, I think it would be in the dev team's best interest to start experimenting with content again to see what sticks and giving the "tried and true" formula they been using for over a decade now a much needed shake up.

It's funny you should ask, because until yesterday I consciously thought the answer was
"yes, but how long will it take to get significantly better, and will I still be bothered enough to give it another chance".

However I'm wondering if subconsciously the answer was "no I don't believe it will get better", because I'm about to roll into my 2nd unsub in 3 months, and today suddenly I wake up and my conscious answer is "No"

I played on NA for 2 years and loved the "vibe" of the people.
I played on EU for two years and until DT I loved the vibe of the people and sprouts were a big part of that.

Now the vibe of the whole social game everywhere has changed and it doesn't appeal to my personal tastes at all. It has been a microcosm of Darwinian evolutionary theory. The grames problems has filtered out certain types of players, and in survival of the fittest this is what's now left. "Your burnt out"."Take a break ".'i guess it's not for you"."play other games". Everytime someone said that a bunch of people were listening, and they have it serious consideration and they left.
A player that leaves, leaves for good 'until' 'if' they come back.

The game has sprouts. But I think they are very largely console players. Probably a lot of Xbox. Their attention span on the game is limited, 'and they don't use in game chat at all'. It basically doesn't exist for them except for 3 words of twitch chat shorthand.

Rarely do people want to help each other. Yes, occasionally but (and here we go) but only if it's the scheduled help they offering, not the help or company your inviting them to in chat. Which is fine. But it's not part of what I enjoyed.

The people and community have changed. That's what I liked about the game, and I don't think that can be fixed now.
Not unless they change their priorities/values, and do gargantuan amounts of dev really expensively. And that's just not going to happen.
Even then the social shift change back will be slow. The type of player/personality that was like minded (wants to approach my kind of content my casual kind of way - just have fun) has lost hope and forgotten about the game. Getting their 'hope' back that's it's worth investing in the game month to month again I think is very close to impossibly hard. It's not impossible but I think it's now impossible hard. It's going to take huge resources and years.
SQX you need to take a risk and invest medium to long. Or it's game over. A short term investment isn't going to cut it now, a short term return just doesn't exist in this marketplace.
You've fckd it up I'm afraid.
And the reality is that risk if you take it, yeah, it might go bad. Gaming is just perilous
I think Square Enix need to consider themselves the "dead man walking" already.
And this is their only appeal to save themselves from the shareholder/receivers electric chair, but it might not work out happy for them. Do or die.

In the end, this is not about a game being good or bad - it's about your very personal mindset.

To me, FF14 is not a live or death thing. It's a pastime I see as my home away from home experience to get away from all the real world trouble - for a time at least. I do not want it to be challenging, or hard... I dont' have to proove anything... I don't care about 2 minute buff windows, job homogenization, formulaic raids, and all the other stuff everybody here is in arms about. I log in, dabble around a bit, and am happy.

And as long as FF14 is scratching that itch of mine, I will continue to play it. And when it does no longer, I will leave - like I left WoW years ago, after it turned into a glorified lobby for e-sports nonsense, now with additional light speed mount gimmickry.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

is there hope or is ffxiv an unavoidable sinking ship
- if the latter, what's keeping you around

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Just quit lmao, there's no point of playing ff14 hoping it will get better

Even if it does get better you can just come back later it's not like they delete your account

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

In the end, this is not about a game being good or bad - it's about your very personal mindset.

To me, FF14 is not a live or death thing. It's a pastime I see as my home away from home experience to get away from all the real world trouble - for a time at least. I do not want it to be challenging, or hard... I dont' have to proove anything... I don't care about 2 minute buff windows, job homogenization, formulaic raids, and all the other stuff everybody here is in arms about. I log in, dabble around a bit, and am happy.

And as long as FF14 is scratching that itch of mine, I will continue to play it. And when it does no longer, I will leave - like I left WoW years ago, after it turned into a glorified lobby for e-sports nonsense, now with additional light speed mount gimmickry.

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This is exactly the type of player FF14 caters to. It's a fast food MMO

It's a corporate franchise product and thus subject to the same corporate franchise death IP cycle that they all face. See Star Wars, Star Trek, Pokemon, every MMO, Kverwatch, gachas, etc. Game won't substantially get better or make a turnaround.

First phase: creation. Original book/comic/movie/game/whatever is created and is an unexpected hit, usually has a fairly low budget.

Second phase: explosion of popularity. The corporation begins to heavily invest in sequels.

Third phase: milking. Content is continuing to be made, but the corporation wants to increase profits by lowering costs, so the new stuff is lower budget. A lot of the original creators and writers have disappeared, usually because they've been making the same thing over and over for years and want to move on, or are being stifled by the suits behind the scenes. Writers and producers leaving is the first sign of the end. Visible people like actors leaving the show usually comes deep into the decline. FF14 has been here for several years, arguably since Stormblood when people left to go start working on FF16.

Fourth phase: death. Audience interest has disappeared.

Fifth phase: reboot. Time has past and now it's time to cash in on nostalgia/brand name recognition.

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

Just quit lmao, there's no point of playing ff14 hoping it will get better

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Yeah, much more productive use of time and money to just stay subscribed to spend your limited life time on hating this game on the forums. After all, no subscription = no forum posting :D

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

Even if it does get better you can just come back later it's not like they delete your account

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Ohhh? Then why do YOU constantly need new accounts? :D

honestly the game in itself is fine what is not fine it's the patch cycles and the content drops is kinda wacky because they often release all the big content midway thro the expension instead of the start of it. but again I also roleplay used to do savage now I don't because my schedule isn't the greatest for that

Since we're doing Other Game comparisons.

Genshin Impact for most of February had for all intents and purposes a non-existent banner. The game still made $25 million off the back of their equivalent 'sub fees' alone, because there was enough of a core audience to meet operating costs.

Once a game becomes entrenched and has a core fanbase, that fanbase isn't going anywhere. FF11's still going 20+ years later after all, the same goes for OSRS, so why wouldn't FF14 be the same way? Heck, in keeping with the gacha comparison (a genre notorious for shuttering games the second they don't print money), FGO is almost 10 years old, but still routinely shows up at a respectable spot in earnings charts, solely because of how entrenched the playerbase is.

Devs know they can take their time, because, even at "Literally the lowest point ever in the game, dead game, game's dying, I need to make 50 Youtube videos about it", the game's player count is still more than healthy enough to keep the servers on and queues running.

But to answer your question: A lot of people, like me, might have our grumbles about one thing or another (Savage should unlock sooner), but they're just Not Enough to warrant dropping the game off a cliff.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

I recently took a vacation off ffxiv to broaden my horizons. i've always been a 1 game andy and desperately afraid of being on my own for more than five minutes... so the idea of not playing ffxiv was like having a part of myself gutted. i kept making excuses why i should keep playing the game
- my friends are here (yea like all 3 of them)
- how will I function without my wol for FIVE minutes
- new games are scary and I cba learning the controls
- there's no other good MMOs on the market rn that fill in ffxiv (greetings from MHWilds)

but after finally cutting the umbilical cord i was able to take a look at the game in hindsight (and yea, a week isnt enough to form that but its been something i've been thinking about since 6.3)
- I noticed when playing wilds what REAL gameplay felt like and its great to see a game that CARES about its lore!
- I noticed when watching sonic 3 what GOOD compelling storytelling looks like.
- I noticed when replaying some of the older title like kingdom hearts how good boss battles and combat systems can look!

it all got me thinking.. im looking for something.. that i just DON'T find in ffxiv. i'm even starting to wonder if i EVER found it. SEGA listens to its fans, CAPCOM listens to the feedback, SQUARE used to put quality and ingenuity first... but with ffxiv.. i don't feel hopeful things will get better.. im dreading they just always stay the same, because that's all we've ever seen. And so i put it to you, what do YOU think? is there hope or is ffxiv an unavoidable sinking ship
- if the latter, what's keeping you around

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I love Monster Hunter more then any other Game BUT seriously MH was NEVER that Game for "Lore" or long Content to compare it with Final is kinda meeeh take as example now Wilds im completly done and when i say done i mean done, my builds are done, my artian weapons are perfect and done and i got every deco i need as a multi deco version so what do i do now? i can pointless hunt or do something else, so really comparing it with final fantasy is not great at all

I don't know if it will get better, but ultimately for it to happen the developers need to actually acknowledge there are problems that need improving upon.

I think we'll only know come 8.0

No I don't think it will get better. As Red Thunder says, it's the fast food of the genre.. It's THE McDonalds equivalent. Some people like it, and some people may go another 4-5 years without noticing, but those whom have been around since, say HW/SB or arguably even ShB, then the formula is very obvious.

Too many decisions have been made which is essentially a contradiction of depth, complexity or engagement.

This MMO is the kind of MMO where you play, not because you like MMOs or because you're seeking a rich MMO experience.. It's because you want to experience a world where there are people around, where the world feels somewhat... 'lived in' -- Granted XIV barely do these now-a-days... But you also have plenty of single plater or co-op games which can emulate the same experience.

no, but breadcrumbs scattered every 4+ months amongst a famine will make you think it is

They could easily rejuvenate the game by releasing player-created content. Put out a tool-kit, give people the ability to create dungeons with existing assets, then release a new one every few weeks based on ratings. Could reward tomes, exp, w/e.

I don't really know at this point, I have some fun in this game still but I also have a lot of issues with it.

playing ff14 is like being in a rocky relationship right now, you love them but it's also sometimes tiring and exhausting, you want to see a brighter future but you also don't know if that is possible or why i am waiting around anymore for them to change.

Though I'm happily playing other games right now, I do sometimes check in on ff14 to play with friends or do new content... I really do hope it gets better

Its a mediocre MMO with a stubborn dev team that dont want to innovate, but its the only MMO that fills the void aside from WoW or Turtlewow private servers.

The rest are below average or korean gacha games where you HAVE to swipe.

So it is what it is. Riot can challenge the status quo in 10 years I guess

"Don't just sit there and waste your precious time. When you want to do something, do it right away. Do it when you can. It's the only way to live a life without regrets."

From the Sonic the Hedgehog JP box art. It's what Sonic literally does.

I highly doubt it. YoshyP is dead set on Copy and paste content

kinda funny how people been saying compare it to MH or sonic is weird or a bad comparison but if i compare it to wow or gw2 people will come with REEEEEEE 14 is its own game stop compare it to wow :D

But i think the game actually can get better all who are here knows that, sad part is the more you listen to what god savior P say the less you have hope that it will change into a direction which will fit most of the veteran players.

problem with privacy ? yeah ignore it and patch it months later
problem with healing ? go play ultimate
nothing to do ? well just a small indy company we dont have time for content

blablabla you get the idea. SO if SE would actually use some money for the game and assist it instead of dragging good people into other projects ( not Mr P ) then yes game will get better. will it happen and when ? only SE knows

Under CBu3?

Highly doubt it, They've had free reign for too long and SE has no plans to reel them in from what i can see. Endwalker was disasterous from a story viewpoint they concluded everything for fun and made an open mockery of Zodiark so they could force feed Bird.

Post Made a mockery of 13th, That should've been an expansion not "Hurr de duuuuuurrrrrrrrr JUSTICE" Oh, The realm is fixed now HEHE XD.

Dawntrail just icing on the already melted cake

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

Yeah, much more productive use of time and money to just stay subscribed to spend your limited life time on hating this game on the forums. After all, no subscription = no forum posting :D



Ohhh? Then why do YOU constantly need new accounts? :D

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Long time posters know why he's here. You'll figure it out eventually, not like he makes a real attempt at hiding it.

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