The game needs to make learning jobs easier

So I generally consider myself to be an alright Dancer player, mostly because I spent hours at a time practicing my rotation and learning the flow of combat, both at a striking dummy and in live scenarios.

However, I believe that the game currently lacks a reliable way to practice openers, which are often critically important to the performance of a job, especially in high-end content.

Whilst striking dummies have been useful in the past and still are to some extent, with how busy many jobs are these days, if you mess up a skill placement and want to redo your opener, you can often end up waiting up to 2 minutes per attempt for several cooldowns to reset, which seems to be impractical and tedious for the player trying to learn the job in question.

I would like to propose an option for striking dummies to reset existing skill cooldowns on request, so that players looking to practice a job can do so at their leisure, and hopefully improve their own personal performance with enough effort.

Stone, Sky, Sea? You can walk out of the arena and return to the npc and restart. Resets your cooldowns and gauges too.

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

Stone, Sky, Sea? You can walk out of the arena and return to the npc and restart. Resets your cooldowns and gauges too.

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Leave arena, talk to NPC, get teleported, talk to the NPC again, select the requisite fight, get teleported again, start again. Even with an SSD, that's up to a minute for every try, and requires more active effort than just tabbing out to watch a video and waiting out the cooldowns. I'm asking for a command that's as quick as resetting enmity on a striking dummy, so I don't need to teleport OR tab out to wait.

Stone, Sky, Sea's useful for older Ultimates and specifically trying to see if you're good enough to clear a Savage fight, not so much the very beginnings of learning a job's overall flow.

Select unsync, join a unsync dungeon, leave

10s work and everything is resetted, if you set it up the first time you only have to open duty finder join and leave so its even faster then the first time.

there is no need for something extra if you can solve it this way

One way I practice openers is to just do Zurvan Extreme unsynced since it doesn’t die until after the transition. But we should definitely have a better way of practicing.

Yeah SSS ought to get a "reset everything"-button, tbh. GW2 has that for its dummy, too.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

Yeah SSS ought to get a "reset everything"-button, tbh. GW2 has that for its dummy, too.

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GW2's training dummy is in a different league in general. Being able to apply all buffs and debuffs in the game to simulate different testing environments makes them so much more useful.

I just unsync a fight that will kill me at a certain point. everything auto resets and you can keep practicing

Explorer Mode allows you to spawn in a training dummy to attack. Maybe they could add a button to reset your cooldowns, too.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Select unsync, join a unsync dungeon, leave

10s work and everything is resetted, if you set it up the first time you only have to open duty finder join and leave so its even faster then the first time.

there is no need for something extra if you can solve it this way

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If memory serves me correctly, there's actually a limit on how many instances a player can enter/do per daily reset. It's set high enough to only really get in the way if you're farming a specific relic or repeatedly entering/leaving instances deliberately, which would be the case if you were using this method to reset your cooldowns.

Stone, Sky and Sea deserves a real update.
Dancer must dance partner their chocobo, you need a quick restart button, ideally a potency calculator and a GCD+oGCD timeline would help a lot.
There's also the cases where you need to practice rotations on multiple targets.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Select unsync, join a unsync dungeon, leave

10s work and everything is resetted, if you set it up the first time you only have to open duty finder join and leave so its even faster then the first time.

there is no need for something extra if you can solve it this way

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I would not call that a solution. Its just abusing how dungeons reset cooldowns when you enter them. There's also a limit on how many dungeons you can do a day.

There is no reason why we still do not have a reset cooldowns button or NPC in Stone, Sky, Sea.

The game does a very poor job when it comes to explaining how jobs play to the players, there are also nuances that are not logical.

I have met a Black mage player in a Nier raid who was constantly casting the wrong spells, i managed to get into a talk to him and he didn't even know how to get 3 Astral Fire stacks without casting Fire 1, i managed to explain the basics to him after the raid, a rare occurrence that someone actually wanted to listen and learn.

I think most jobs suffer from skillbloat and if you aren't already versed in game mechanics it is difficult to understand what the tooltips even mean.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

I think most jobs suffer from skillbloat and if you aren't already versed in game mechanics it is difficult to understand what the tooltips even mean.

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Definitely, and what's worse is that the vast vast majority of this bloat serves no purpose in gameplay engagement, they just fall into two general categories:

* A rotational GCD or oGCD you press because you do, with no individual function or form beyond "hey it deals some damage and The Balance told me to press this" and also having no "finisher"-element, design-wise (compare Flare Star for a variant that at least feels nice in design because it is clearly a finisher).
* An oGCD you press on cooldown because hey, it's free damage.

Neither of these two do anything but litter your hotbar + increase how quickly you get carpal tunnel syndrome. They require as much brainpower as rolling your face over the keyboard for the whole rotation does, or more specifically, they are the parts that make the rotations as braindead and simplistic conceptually as they are, even if they involve 20-25 buttons. And they are also as you say entirely opaque, there's no way for someone to figure out the intricacies of their own in most of these cases, since these buttons have no identity.

I thought people were complaining about this game because all the jobs are homogenized? But yeah, the tool tips are trash on explaining on what some abilities do.

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Originally Posted by USAFJerrySo

I thought people were complaining about this game because all the jobs are homogenized? But yeah, the tool tips are trash on explaining on what some abilities do.

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I mean the “tooltips are terrible at explaining the jobs and when you don’t understand the job and therefore play it incorrectly it can feel kinda unique” isn’t really an argument the jobs aren’t homogenised

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I mean the “tooltips are terrible at explaining the jobs and when you don’t understand the job and therefore play it incorrectly it can feel kinda unique” isn’t really an argument the jobs aren’t homogenised

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The argument is, if all the jobs play the same, then there should be no issues with tool tips as you should be able to relate one from one to to another from another job, therefore, if you have trouble with one tool tip, you should have trouble with the equivalent tooltip on another jobs, as they are the same. Since this is not the case, the jobs aren't homogenised. Which is true to an extent.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

The argument is, if all the jobs play the same, then there should be no issues with tool tips as you should be able to relate one from one to to another from another job, therefore, if you have trouble with one tool tip, you should have trouble with the equivalent tooltip on another jobs, as they are the same. Since this is not the case, the jobs aren't homogenised. Which is true to an extent.

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Most people that are incompetent on one class, are usually also incompetent on any other class they play.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Most people that are incompetent on one class, are usually also incompetent on any other class they play.

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The original claim made no reference to how competent a person is at their job, just their ability to understand tooltips. It should go without saying that. just because you can read and understand the tooltips for a job, doesn't mean you are competent in that job.

Since competency has no relevance to the original claim, there is no reason to bring it up. The original claim was, if you can understand the tooltips for one job, you can understand them all, since every job plays the same, which is a common complaint that some people have. So, by that logic, if there is a job that has a tooltip that you do not understand, and it is unique to that job, by definition, that job plays differently to the other jobs, even if it is a small one.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

Since competency has no relevance to the original claim, there is no reason to bring it up. The original claim was, if you can understand the tooltips for one job, you can understand them all, since every job plays the same, which is a common complaint that some people have. So, by that logic, if there is a job that has a tooltip that you do not understand, and it is unique to that job, by definition, that job plays differently to the other jobs, even if it is a small one.

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hm i would have to disagree that all jobs play the same, i mean there is a core structure how jobs in this game work with combos and rotations, but a pictomancer and a blackmage is VERY different in playstyle even though they are both casters.
I must admit when i leveled pictomancer it really took me a while to understand all the skills and how they interact, but that is also a problem when you start at job on a high level and must figure out which skill has to go to what hotkey too.

I think the jobs have a decent balance pool of hard to easy job. Only class they need to fix are healer gameplay. Because it only class is suffer of gameplay crisis.

Training dummies exist to practice opener on o. O did ppl forget that exist, as far as ur opener go just look up guides, i doubt se even thought that, thats more on players who created that. Just look at how ppl abuse fflogs rather than use it to help themself grow.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

as far as ur opener go just look up guides

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You're so close to understanding the issue. Come on! You can do it!

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

Training dummies exist to practice opener on o. O did ppl forget that exist, as far as ur opener go just look up guides

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There are no training dummies for healers and tanks like WoW has them.

There is also no practice arena with small challenges.