There are free games with larger and more frequent patch content

I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't want gatcha MTX nonsense either, but 25 minutes of (at this point) cut & paste quest design once every few months is gettin old.

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Go and play something else then? Nobody is bound to playing Final Fantasy XIV forever and there's plenty of other live service/MMO titles that'll meet your desires. I can't say I'm a fan of how Square Enix communicate everything, but it's clear they've got a primary target audience in mind and a lot of forum complainers seemingly aren't in that group.

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Go and play something else then? Nobody is bound to playing Final Fantasy XIV forever and there's plenty of other live service/MMO titles that'll meet your desires. I can't say I'm a fan of how Square Enix communicate everything, but it's clear they've got a primary target audience in mind and a lot of forum complainers seemingly aren't in that group.

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yes lets dismiss valid criticism
I don't know why people can't ask for more from the 2nd biggest mmo on the market...

Subs: 132 Euro per year
Cash Store: Yes
Second most popular MMORPG

I think it's fair for a person to want the game to be a "All time game" especially since "We want you to play other games" / "It's ok to unsubscribe and come back later" only really applies if you dont mind your house being demolished and / or leaving behind friends made along the way.

Yes there are server costs but even if they were half your monthly sub, that's still a lot of money being put out.

Edit: The only thing that explains this to me is Square Enix not giving the Final Fantasy 14 team enough resources, being happy with the current model of income and seeing no need to upset the cart potentially by changing anything, they know full well there is no alternative.

Are frequent patches even a good thing? I want less maintenance days. Make the patches count and we won't need more of them.

I'm fine with less frequent patches... but is 2 very brief quests, a new time-gated, cut & paste delivery NPC, and another holiday quest really all we get? Unsub and miss out on YOLO PvP mounts\minions that "eventually" never return for worthless trophy crystals. Next week we get a single fight as a patch. People will grind that out well before the weekend is over. Then NOTHING til March at the earliest. Kinda dumb at this point to be honest.

There's allways a catch to free games. Either they're paid like osrs and basically bully you into subbing by giving u nothing or they're just empty with 1 dimenal content cycles

SE's shareholders don't even remember that they have MMOs anymore, it's just one guy in the broom closet of their HQ. Yoshi has to pay out of pocket for any events.

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I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't want gatcha MTX nonsense either, but 25 minutes of (at this point) cut & paste quest design once every few months is gettin old.

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B-But ... if they put more money into the game, who will then finance their NFT projects?




Cheers

How dare you have *checks notes* a reasonable expectation of competency and consistency from a multi-million dollar company. Those guys in Yoshi-P’s basement work hard to bring us more raid content every 8 months!

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yes lets dismiss valid criticism
I don't know why people can't ask for more from the 2nd biggest mmo on the market...

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I don't think it's so much dismissing as most companies primary concern is the bottom line. If people complain, but still stick around, what would make the company change what they are doing? People leaving in droves is what will drive changes.

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I don't think it's so much dismissing as most companies primary concern is the bottom line. If people complain, but still stick around, what would make the company change what they are doing? People leaving in droves is what will drive changes.

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A company also shouldn't wait until a mass amount of people leave in droves before they scramble and implement or fix things that people have been asking for years. That's the dumbest way of doing business is waiting until you are in the red and 90% of your customers leave to make changes.

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A company also shouldn't wait until a mass amount of people leave in droves before they scramble and implement or fix things that people have been asking for years. That's the dumbest way of doing business is waiting until you are in the red and 90% of your customers leave to make changes.

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I don't disagree, just saying that is how things seem to work.

Yeah, and I used to love Honkai: Star Rail.

It's become such a bloated unplayable madness of a grind, unless you were already fully caught up months ago.

More content doesn't mean better content, and I don't wanna see XIV turn into that kind of trash. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who wishes they returned to the three and a half months between patches.

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I don't disagree, just saying that is how things seem to work.

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A lot of companies now do seem to operate that way which is a weird way for a company to want to operate.

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A lot of companies now do seem to operate that way which is a weird way for a company to want to operate.

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and thats the reality sadly. these large companies aren't our friend. much as may not like it, don't need to look much farther than the whole Shadowlands debacle from WoW. players had been complaining about things for years and it took a mass exodus on top of lawsuits from the state before changing things up REEEEEAL quick. valid criticisms of a game are a good thing but sadly its slow going even at the best of times for changes to happen if at all. with mass unsubs like in SL, and see how fast they'll change it up when their bottom line gets hit. unfortunately money talks.

They're clearly timegating the content. Content which has almost no replayability. It's kinda hilarious.
What worries me most is that people accept it as if it's normal.

If this trend continues, we'll end up with one QoL update every three weeks, new skills every other month, and the expansion's second job arriving after a year.
Customers that never complain, what a good time to be Square Enix.

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A company also shouldn't wait until a mass amount of people leave in droves before they scramble and implement or fix things that people have been asking for years. That's the dumbest way of doing business is waiting until you are in the red and 90% of your customers leave to make changes.

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C-suite aren't exactly known for caring for long term issues. Only short term profit. If people are complaining, but are sticking around, they're still getting their money. Why would they care? But if the subscription numbers become gutted, that's an immediate problem, and they might have to actually extract their heads from their asses...at least enough to stop hemorrhaging subs. Welcome to modern capitalism.

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C-suite aren't exactly known for caring for long term issues. Only short term profit. If people are complaining, but are sticking around, they're still getting their money. Why would they care? But if the subscription numbers become gutted, that's an immediate problem, and they might have to actually extract their heads from their asses...at least enough to stop hemorrhaging subs. Welcome to modern capitalism.

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If they even want to try to fix it. Instead, they could just be putting everything into maintenance mode to further reduce costs, squeeze the lemon for its last few drops while moving to a new pasture themselves.

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If they even want to try to fix it. Instead, they could just be putting everything into maintenance mode to further reduce costs, squeeze the lemon for its last few drops while moving to a new pasture themselves.

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See? This guy gets it. Although Final Fantasy XIV is the thing keeping the company afloat despite all their bad decisions, and I think even the C-suite there knows it. How will they fund their next trend-following get-rich-quick boondoggle if they don't have their trusty piggy bank making money to fund them?

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I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't want gatcha MTX nonsense either, but 25 minutes of (at this point) cut & paste quest design once every few months is gettin old.

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So you want to be burnt out faster and you want quantity over quality? Seriously, go play something else. Come back when there is content, I like the way it is, it gives me time to either play something else and finish games I wanted to finish for a long time. And there is a lot of stuff to do, in game.

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Are frequent patches even a good thing? I want less maintenance days. Make the patches count and we won't need more of them.

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No they wouldn't be because we would be getting quantity over quality. (Not that DT has been quality, to be fair)

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See? This guy gets it. Although Final Fantasy XIV is the thing keeping the company afloat despite all their bad decisions, and I think even the C-suite there knows it. How will they fund their next trend-following get-rich-quick boondoggle if they don't have their trusty piggy bank making money to fund them?

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You misunderstand me, I'm afraid. My fear is that, if sub numbers tumble, the company will have even less reason to fix their money maker, and instead try to establish a new one. You know how it goes in this market, make product, enshitificate product, make new product...

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So you want to be burnt out faster and you want quantity over quality? Seriously, go play something else. Come back when there is content, I like the way it is, it gives me time to either play something else and finish games I wanted to finish for a long time. And there is a lot of stuff to do, in game.

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You have gone off the other deep end, my guy. OP has never said they want quantity over quality, just a bit more to warrant subscription money. This game would be healthier if it had more gameplay content.

And you state that DT is lacking quality too:

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No they wouldn't be because we would be getting quantity over quality. (Not that DT has been quality, to be fair)

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So, according to you we are getting neither quality nor quantity. And customers should be happy to pay for that because then they can play other games?

There are people of this game, fans of this game, that want to play this game, spend time in it. Think about what may happen if more and more fans leave this game? There is a reason Yoshi-P has asked people not to retire, because more long lived content is coming.

Can you give any example of games that adds more content?
In my experience most games I play,the update will add either new raid with no where near the quality of raids in xiv or hard mode of existing boss or something like that.
They can feel like theres alot to do than xiv but thats because the system around the content.
In most of other games you need to grind for gear with random stats,then upgrade them,and you have to do most of the contents to get access to new content.
Some of the newer mmos tends to lock you out from getting a reward so you can't grind the dungeon for hours but wait till next day to reroll.
Like in mmo I used to play you have to got through the content of previous patches to do content of new patches so if you didn't get the BiS in last update you need to get them first and catch up.
This make it so every single player will do almost every thing that gets added to the game but in xiv you don't need to do EX,24man,Tribe quests, anything.
Another thing is the seasonal events. In other mmos I play they are something you'll be doing for the entirety of patch.
Like on christmas they add a new dungeon(reskin of exsisting one with christmas decoration) that drops present box and you get random rewards like cosmetics,items so everyone is grinding it untill its gone

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Yeah, and I used to love Honkai: Star Rail.

It's become such a bloated unplayable madness of a grind, unless you were already fully caught up months ago.

More content doesn't mean better content, and I don't wanna see XIV turn into that kind of trash. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who wishes they returned to the three and a half months between patches.

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Please the lies.
Hoyoverse makes billions of dollars by just releasing characters and even then they beg people that haven't log in in months to comeback and gives you x2 exp,drops and even free gems for pulls. SE have NEVER, EVER give you something for free.

In FFIXV you have poor quality content (same copy-paste formula) from 10 years ago and also poor delivery schedule (every 4 or 5 months to add 5 hours of content to the game).

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Go and play something else then? Nobody is bound to playing Final Fantasy XIV forever and there's plenty of other live service/MMO titles that'll meet your desires. I can't say I'm a fan of how Square Enix communicate everything, but it's clear they've got a primary target audience in mind and a lot of forum complainers seemingly aren't in that group.

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I tried, but western MMO characters are so ugly and unaesthetically pleasing. I tried a Korean MMO, they got good aesthetically pleasing husbando, but holey moley p2w shenanigans. In the end, where did that bring me? Back to FFXIV... Sad.

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Go and play something else then? Nobody is bound to playing Final Fantasy XIV forever and there's plenty of other live service/MMO titles that'll meet your desires. I can't say I'm a fan of how Square Enix communicate everything, but it's clear they've got a primary target audience in mind and a lot of forum complainers seemingly aren't in that group.

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Done that already for a month. I don't regret the time spent there.
I nearly got sucked up completely over there because of the housing system that is vastly better than what's here.
I ended up running back here, because they do not have pvp in their game whatsosver.

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Please the lies.
Hoyoverse makes billions of dollars by just releasing characters and even then they beg people that haven't log in in months to comeback and gives you x2 exp,drops and even free gems for pulls. SE have NEVER, EVER give you something for free.

In FFIXV you have poor quality content (same copy-paste formula) from 10 years ago and also poor delivery schedule (every 4 or 5 months to add 5 hours of content to the game).

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They barely give anything in return for people spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a single character. People have spent more on a single character in a gacha than most people have spent in the entire lifetime of xiv.

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Go and play something else then? Nobody is bound to playing Final Fantasy XIV forever and there's plenty of other live service/MMO titles that'll meet your desires. I can't say I'm a fan of how Square Enix communicate everything, but it's clear they've got a primary target audience in mind and a lot of forum complainers seemingly aren't in that group.

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How long exactly do you want people to play something else for?

They don't have any target audience whatsoever lmao. Literally none... They are constantly yoyoing between demographics, you could almost turn it into a sport. Right now it's casual and midcore players biting the dirt, but just wait and in 7.45 it will then be the raiders getting absolute breadcrumbs for nearly 12 months.

Unless I'm misremembering, I believe we have a similar schedule as WoW.

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Go and play something else then? Nobody is bound to playing Final Fantasy XIV forever and there's plenty of other live service/MMO titles that'll meet your desires. I can't say I'm a fan of how Square Enix communicate everything, but it's clear they've got a primary target audience in mind and a lot of forum complainers seemingly aren't in that group.

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What a dumb post.

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They barely give anything in return for people spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a single character. People have spent more on a single character in a gacha than most people have spent in the entire lifetime of xiv.

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Glad I just pay 4.99 usd monthly in ZZZ and have every single 5 star character without spending " thousands of dollars", here some people have spent over 10.000 American dollars in cosmetics/fantasias etc (nothing of real value).

Barely? they even gave for free 5 stars characters and in compensation for EVERY maintenance a few gems even if they mess up with some character or an unintended bug. Here you have nights of DDOS and not even an apologize.

Shoot, there're private servers (for other games, not XIV) running purely on donations that have more frequent content releases and events than this game. Three hours of stuff every 4 months at 15 dollars a month is so bad; you're being robbed. And I don't care if WoW does it too; if that's the case, then WoW's ripping their people off as well.

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I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't want gatcha MTX nonsense either, but 25 minutes of (at this point) cut & paste quest design once every few months is gettin old.

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Go play something that makes you happy, unsub. Come back next expansion or something.

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Glad I just pay 4.99 usd monthly in ZZZ and have every single 5 star character without spending " thousands of dollars", here some people have spent over 10.000 American dollars in cosmetics/fantasias etc (nothing of real value).

Barely? they even gave for free 5 stars characters and in compensation for EVERY maintenance a few gems even if they mess up with some character or an unintended bug. Here you have nights of DDOS and not even an apologize.

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Wow, 1 game. Now look at Fate GA, the Honkai games, etc.

gO aNd PlAY SoMeThINg ELsE

As if critics don’t already do that.
People take hiatus and come back for a patch with just a week's worth of content. Nice how they're milking those subs.

It’s even funnier when the game forces you to log in because of the housing system.

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Shoot, there're private servers (for other games, not XIV) running purely on donations that have more frequent content releases and events than this game. Three hours of stuff every 4 months at 15 dollars a month is so bad; you're being robbed. And I don't care if WoW does it too; if that's the case, then WoW's ripping their people off as well.

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You payed for the patch content already when you bought the expansion. The 15 Dollar a month are for access to the servers.

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There's allways a catch to free games. Either they're paid like osrs and basically bully you into subbing by giving u nothing or they're just empty with 1 dimenal content cycles

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And yet Honkai Star Rail has given me more (and far far higher quality) story, events, and new things to do in 2024 than FF14 has in 2 years. I've spent $0 and gotten so much for it, it's kind of ridiculous. There's no need to get into "well they do this while sweet angel FF14 does this" because at the end of the day the result is all that matters from a consumer perspective. The MMO portion (social aspects, standard appeal of basic MMO structure) is the only thing that's keeping me subbed, because tbh I don't feel like I can get it anywhere else like I get it here. That's....not a great reason for people to stay subbed, so people are unsubbing lmao. Don't feel like you need to go to bat for the billion dollar company - you should expect them to provide you with a service equivalent to what you're paying. When they stop doing that, stop paying for it. People come here to complain because they see something they love eroding away and they desperately don't wanna see WoW2, Destiny 3, or PSO2:NG2 happen.

Also, in terms of how they spend our sub money - I read their earnings reports and I see where the money I'm paying them is going. I can even calculate approximate dollar values that I personally contributed to the development of projects outside of FF14, and I gotta say I'm not really pleased with how it's looked these past 2 years. So if I feel compelled to say something don't you think it's my right? Once HSR starts charging me a sub I'll start to care more what they do w/ that game. That's the difference you're missing.

For all the Go Play Something Else folks:
I already play other games while waiting for more stuff here. It's just getting spread more and more thin.
I pay a monthly sub FOR THIS GAME. I have over a decade invested in a character I like. They announce interesting content over a year in advance and then we just sit on our hands waiting on most of it to drop.

If I go play something else and don't play this:
I could lose my FC house to inactivity
I could miss even more PvP items that disappear never to return again

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Yeah, and I used to love Honkai: Star Rail.

It's become such a bloated unplayable madness of a grind, unless you were already fully caught up months ago.

More content doesn't mean better content, and I don't wanna see XIV turn into that kind of trash. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who wishes they returned to the three and a half months between patches.

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It's an Hoyo game.... What did you expect?
When you started playing it you agreed on insane powercreep, abysmal gacha rate and stingy ressource income.

But you know, the difference between CBU3 and Hoyo.... is that Hoyo know what they are doing since they are creating thoses "issue" on purpose.

And the worse, is that Hoyo have way more white knight that don't even want to ear the true than SQ with FFXIV.

Rule of the thumb : if you want to play a gacha go play one made by CyGames or Mica.