7.1 Wuk PTSD

Just did the first quest and the moment she appeared on screen I went Oh no not again.
I doubt square can redeem this character for me at least. Can we please Lyse this character or have them die making a noble sacrifice. Wuk is the sole reason I have ever skipped a cutscene in FF14.

If it makes you feel better, there's only 3 "Speak with Wuk Lamat" quests this patch.

Suck it up

I was wondering how another thread like this would be concocted. PTSD, eh? Novel.

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

If it makes you feel better, there's only 3 "Speak with Wuk Lamat" quests this patch.

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Don't we only get like 8 or 10 quests? lol

Boohoo cry some moar xD

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Originally Posted by Rayne6665

Boohoo cry some moar xD

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We will, thanks for your permission that we all needed.

You won't see her again for at least 4-5 months.

You'll be okay.

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Originally Posted by Paintedtarget

Just did the first quest and the moment she appeared on screen I went Oh no not again.
I doubt square can redeem this character for me at least. Can we please Lyse this character or have them die making a noble sacrifice. Wuk is the sole reason I have ever skipped a cutscene in FF14.

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I'm glad someone understood my sheer agony.
I was having fun listening to the NPC talk about the events, and then Wuk came along like an unwanted child to break the peace.

It was seven quests, but i just had to skip everything, Tural is a nothing place to me and i cant be bother to care about it. Just saw the last 'meanwhile' quests and they bring Sphene back alive LOL. Seriously, Yoshida needs to depart from this game, he lost his spark, he accepts any garbage his inexperienced developers bring to him.

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Originally Posted by Paintedtarget

Just did the first quest and the moment she appeared on screen I went Oh no not again.
I doubt square can redeem this character for me at least. Can we please Lyse this character or have them die making a noble sacrifice. Wuk is the sole reason I have ever skipped a cutscene in FF14.

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My friend, I absolutely understand your hate.

But IMHO the MSQ this time was decent, nothing as offensibly bad that it would warrant skipping.

She was sidelined to an apropiate degree and the little thing she tried to do at the start didn't work out, so her power-of-empathy was dialed back to "normal".
This time, other characters got their fair amount of screentime and the new dungeon was accessible in a very reasonable timeframe.
And we got a few lore-drops (that should have been in the main-story but alas).

But I totally understand if you still wanna skip, but we need to judge the stuff objectively, and this heated 2min of hate is getting stale, even for an wl-hater like me.

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

If it makes you feel better, there's only 3 "Speak with Wuk Lamat" quests this patch.

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That's a shame. I'm hoping it was just too far into develop to course correct and the next patch will have less Wuk and more WoL.

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Originally Posted by honest_psycho

My friend, I absolutely understand your hate.

But IMHO the MSQ this time was decent, nothing as offensibly bad that it would warrant skipping.

She was sidelined to an apropiate degree and the little thing she tried to do at the start didn't work out, so her power-of-empathy was dialed back to "normal".
This time, other characters got their fair amount of screentime and the new dungeon was accessible in a very reasonable timeframe.
And we got a few lore-drops (that should have been in the main-story but alas).

But I totally understand if you still wanna skip, but we need to judge the stuff objectively, and this heated 2min of hate is getting stale, even for an wl-hater like me.

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Just my personal opinion, it'll never get old for me and I was one of those that defended her in the beginning. It is good to hear that she getting pushed to the background and not treated as the golden child. I really hope that's the case. If I see them course correct, I'll give it another shot. However, if they're doubling down, they've lost my support. This has always been an MMO for the fans after the FANS saved it from being deleted. I'll never give this company an inch for the sake of my criticism getting stale (not a shot at you personally, I've seen comments like that try to dismiss the absolutely valid criticism). Still, I'm open to them trying to fix it, but only if they're actually trying to fix it.

I mean it wasn’t really that bad this time around. They scaled her back significantly compared to before and every quests or interaction didn’t start and end with Wuk Lamat.

I still got the, why are you even here vibes, but it didn’t feel like being trapped by her side like before.

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Originally Posted by Papayatar

I mean it wasn’t really that bad this time around. They scaled her back significantly compared to before and every quests or interaction didn’t start and end with Wuk Lamat.

I still got the, why are you even here vibes, but it didn’t feel like being trapped by her side like before.

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There are people who will take any instance of her appearance as reason enough to fire up the grievance train again, just because they love hating her so much and it's an easy way to farm replies on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

There are people who will take any instance of her appearance as reason enough to fire up the grievance train again, just because they love hating her so much and it's an easy way to farm replies on the forums.

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Oh yes. It's all about magical forum replies that we care about. It can't be caring about the quality of the story and product we pay money for.

Honestly, she's been pretty chill so far. Less generic shonen protag and more legit civil service/ambassador. There has been a noticeable increase in braincells on her part

Though I never thought she was a bad character per se... Just that the writing over all in DT was bad and she was an easy target because they overused her presence especially when comparing her screen time vs actual gameplay screen time.

I've resigned myself to WL being still big part of the story. I'm not naive enough to expect them to change it in 7.1. And while my finger still twiches towards "skip" every time she's on screen, I'm honest enough to admit her presence wasn't too offensive. Though she still has most of the voiced lines (in contrast -

I don't think Graha has even one?

- someone correct me if I'm wrong).

But the bottom line for me - apart from her being still fairly prominent - is that I don't care about these people. I don't care about those places. For me this is the aftermath of DT (and WL in particular). And at this point I can't imagine any story twist that would made me care. It's one MSQ too late.

i admit it was my ideal to bring Sphene back i just thought she was compare Wuk lamat a better character let see what they do with her

through i thought would better have sphene as child the guide by warrior of light to make more interesting story have the scion focus on wuk lamat and WoL more focus find sphene parts then have quest blend together through find the child version of Sphene can order the military force to stop

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Oh yes. It's all about magical forum replies that we care about. It can't be caring about the quality of the story and product we pay money for.

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Lol, the OP offered nothing outside of "Oh god, it's Wuk Lamat! Please just kill her off!"

No commentary on what she did that was so horrible this time, outside of simply existing. There are criticisms to be made, this ain't it.

i not to fond of Wuk lamat every she is though i think problem is the localazation team not the devs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ADVmuuBAa8

i saw this and now thing are make more sense yoshi p and other work is be co-opt by localazation teams

Enough is enough. They just lost a bunch of money over the stupidity of their design choices. Even overlorddvd covered it now. Just unsubbed I am done being a prisoner to this game and its housing system. When they enter bankruptcy maybe elon musk can buy them.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

There are people who will take any instance of her appearance as reason enough to fire up the grievance train again, just because they love hating her so much and it's an easy way to farm replies on the forums.

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At this rate this is to be expected after each patch drop until 8.0. Wuk Lamat is still a current main character, gets shown in patch msq previews multiple times because why wouldn't she, patch finally drops and people pretend they never knew this so we get multiple new threads making the same complaint on release. The fake outrage is starting to get more annoying than Wuk herself.

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Originally Posted by lucatracy

At this rate this is to be expected after each patch drop until 8.0. Wuk Lamat is still a current main character, gets shown in patch msq previews multiple times because why wouldn't she, patch finally drops and people pretend they never knew this so we get multiple new threads making the same complaint on release. The fake outrage is starting to get more annoying than Wuk herself.

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The outrage was bad from day 01. Wuk Lamat, as character, never really deserved the depth of hatred that she got. It was very tiresome to read comments that in most of the time, felt more like petty tantrum than genuine narrative choices around the character and the story.

But it is, what it is. Won't go away anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

Lol, the OP offered nothing outside of "Oh god, it's Wuk Lamat! Please just kill her off!"

No commentary on what she did that was so horrible this time, outside of simply existing. There are criticisms to be made, this ain't it.

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Horribly written, very bad voice acting but a lot of voice acting was bad in DawnTrail, overexposed to the character where she wore out her welcome it felt like every time you turned around she was behind you breathing on your neck and stalking you.

Now that I am caught up on the 7.1 MSQ they thankfully scaled her back and her disposition and writing took the character from unbearable to tolerable. If she had gotten sea sick, air sick, or walking sick one more time I would have been like please stop this.

i didn't not put the video out to hurt SE more to tried help them find a way move forward i want SE to be around not destroy i want them to learn for they mistake which in video game world is something SE does do on normal basic i not stop play i just hope that it isn't to late for them i hope SE can change course and make this game better.

I am a 1.0 vet so i seen how far they come and will come Yoshi P and the dev can and are able to learn that the beauty of SE

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

i not to fond of Wuk lamat every she is though i think problem is the localazation team not the devs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ADVmuuBAa8

i saw this and now thing are make more sense yoshi p and other work is be co-opt by localazation teams

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As soon as I saw the guy in an SNES Andross mask I hit the X

Doomcock like us all love entrainment he want save it not lose it listen to his council is wise course if disney did that they won't be were they are now

of all the company to listen to him it would SE

http://cdn.imgchest.com/files/pyvdcq3j2gy.png

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Originally Posted by Paintedtarget

Just did the first quest and the moment she appeared on screen I went Oh no not again.
I doubt square can redeem this character for me at least. Can we please Lyse this character or have them die making a noble sacrifice. Wuk is the sole reason I have ever skipped a cutscene in FF14.

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I kinda had the same reaction on her first appearance (And I'm part of the people blaming the writing rather than the concept of the character), especially she again appears out of nowhere when you're eating, but I really don't have any complaints about her use in the patch.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

Lol, the OP offered nothing outside of "Oh god, it's Wuk Lamat! Please just kill her off!"

No commentary on what she did that was so horrible this time, outside of simply existing. There are criticisms to be made, this ain't it.

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Do.. do you not know what PTSD means?

What irritated me was in the FFXI raid at one point jaja goes "Wuk Lamat chose well" or something like that in one of the few voiced lines and I almost screamed at my screen. Now every time I run a raid that brings me so much nostalgic joy I still can't get away from that stupid cat. I don't want Tural to have peace at this point. I want to personally fly in as many warlords as possible to throw the entire continant into a perpetual state of war, grab my fiddle and play a lively tune as it all burns.

Wtf do they insist on pushing her at us from all directions? That one line needs to be deleted from the raid and all will be good with it.

how could the wuk left do this to us

I ignored Woke Laminate as much as i could, i was more shocked of how they pushed her Brother into a super cheesy and absolutely unbelievable story arc. You know these things 5 minutes Son... FIVE minutes.

Not gonna lie I flinched as well at her sudden reappearance.
Wuk wasn't the worst part of the MSQ patch though despite her continuous nature to interject and contribute nothing of value to cutscenes with her dialogue. However nothing could prepare me for how much I disliked the writing of this patch and how shallow and completely detached and out of touch it came off as. There was an interesting setup at the very end of the patch, but everything else was abysmal despite the potential of the setting of the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

What irritated me was in the FFXI raid at one point jaja goes "Wuk Lamat chose well".

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I don't have the nostalgia for 11 have never played it myself but the fights were fun the line was unnecessary and where I was hoping for some respite from any mention or sight of WL. Ugh.

I didn't really like her part i mute the sound skip the cute scenes even jar jar bink offer more to star wars the wak lamat. the truth i glad they brought Sphene look like she human i felt bad for her she never really had true childhood nor adulthood Sphene that is she thrust into her place problem never really rule any for more was puppet ruler. i admit that i think be interest to unified that nation if Sphene is give leadership role because i won't be supprise if they face civil war Sphene return will only way end that. i won't be suprise if they killed Wuk lamat to spark that if they can it maybe a good path forward. killed Wuk lamat by a one leadership of Alexander to spark a conflict with the Vows and they nation.

that would awesome story arc it get player rengage with the game it also make Wuk Lamat more favorable because she want the happeniss of her nation and to unit the two cities yet for her trouble she killed off\

the vows and they nation support the reborn Sphene and move her forward into replace Wuk Lamat and leader and she does out honor to Wuk Lamat Sphene i think i like better she prossiblity have some further devolopment

It’s not even only wuk that makes me wanna rip my eyes out doing the story. Like bad as hell writing. No character development in any meaningful way. And the worst part completely killing the ending part of the base dawn trail story by bringing sphene back and make here a villain/mind controlled or just a more powerful evil computer program (she is just emet but with zero interesting writing and being shoved in at the 70 % of the story mark) Zooral ja didn’t even get a crumb of character development (still grumpy bad son and bad father) and just made a child as a reward for this women serving him…… like of even more character information for his mother.

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Originally Posted by Astronema

Enough is enough. They just lost a bunch of money over the stupidity of their design choices. Even overlorddvd covered it now. Just unsubbed I am done being a prisoner to this game and its housing system. When they enter bankruptcy maybe elon musk can buy them.

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Which one of us should be the ones to break the news that the game is doing very well and the forums aren't representative of anything?

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Do.. do you not know what PTSD means?

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I do...if you think seeing a character popping up in a video game is it, I would ask the same question right back...

The game is not doing very well. It is having the usual post
expansion decline. It is a bigger decline than EW had, but they threw off how much by launching a free login campaign recently. And just like with EW, the game is going to see declining revenue quarter after quarter soon. Probably more than EW, by a lot, based on all the damage they did with MSQ and now setting many jobs on fire.

And that's considering they lost players before DT even started.

Also forums are representative of the player population. They absolutely 100% are. The only thing defenders are right about is that the solution is to unsub. People need to mass unsub. If you do not like the story, combat, jobs, all 3, or something else...the devs only wish you'd stay on the forum and pay to scream in the void. If you've been waiting long enough for change and it hasn't happened, simply leave. And yes I am unsubbed.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

It’s not even only wuk that makes me wanna rip my eyes out doing the story. Like bad as hell writing. No character development in any meaningful way. And the worst part completely killing the ending part of the base dawn trail story by bringing sphene back and make here a villain/mind controlled or just a more powerful evil computer program (she is just emet but with zero interesting writing and being shoved in at the 70 % of the story mark) Zooral ja didn’t even get a crumb of character development (still grumpy bad son and bad father) and just made a child as a reward for this women serving him…… like of even more character information for his mother.

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In response to us asking why we were babysitting an overgrown child that isn't written to be believable, they somehow managed to make every character introduced in Dawntrail seem stupid and bizarre. Which is about the only thing remarkable about this bite-sized retread. The first act was bland to the point of being forgettable and the premise is headscratching, the second act is textbook goofy filler, and the third act is just an eyeroll. Not exactly instilling any confidence in future patches.

At least the dungeon's crazy, I guess.