PAID Crossovers - A new low? (FFXIV x Brave Exvius armors)

EDIT: It’s actually War of the Visions, apparently

Hello all,

I feel like this isn't getting discussed enough, for the first time we're getting a paid crossover (with Brave Exvius) instead of the chance of getting the items for free with our subscription.

Please, I understand that for different event SE decides to add the items later to the Mog station, but we should not allow the slippery slope effect that is for items to be directly added to the Online store.

Please, like if you agree and keep this thread alive.

It's so perfectly on brand to have the gacha crossover be entirely in the cash shop.

If you want, that a company stops doing something then do not give them money. So if you do not want, that there are items in the store from the start then do not buy them. It is that simple. But if many people will buy them then the company did it right.


Cheers

So, it's like Cloud's bike, where if you weren't at the one Fanfest, you buy it off the shop or go without.

Or like the FFX outfits, where if you weren't at the one Fanfest, you buy it off the shop or go without.

So what's new? That they skipped the Fanfest part this time?

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

If you want, that a company stops doing something then do not give them money. So if you do not want, that there are items in the store from the start then do not buy them. It is that simple. But if many people will buy them then the company did it right.


Cheers

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Just because something is "profitable" in the short term doesn't mean it's good for the game in the long term, nor how profitable it will be either.

Sorry but I just strongly disagree.

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Originally Posted by AndyMugu

Just because something is "profitable" in the short term doesn't mean it's good for the game in the long term, nor how profitable it will be either.

Sorry but I just strongly disagree.

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Agree or not, Profit is a company's singular goal. SE, as well as all other companies, are in the business of making money, period! If it's profitable it's a good business decision albeit maybe not a good game decision.

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Originally Posted by Tyjacon

Agree or not, Profit is a company's singular goal. SE, as well as all other companies, are in the business of making money, period! If it's profitable it's a good business decision albeit maybe not a good game decision.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So, it's like Cloud's bike, where if you weren't at the one Fanfest, you buy it off the shop or go without.

Or like the FFX outfits, where if you weren't at the one Fanfest, you buy it off the shop or go without.

So what's new? That they skipped the Fanfest part this time?

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I said it was a new low, I don’t see your point, do you think that the fact that they’ve done something disagreeable previously means we shouldn’t complain via the forums?

This is the way to make them see some of us see this as a shameless moneygrab, and that the developers should reconsider.

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Originally Posted by Tyjacon

Agree or not, Profit is a company's singular goal. SE, as well as all other companies, are in the business of making money, period! If it's profitable it's a good business decision albeit maybe not a good game decision.

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Sorry, but good games make more money in the long run, since the IP becomes famous enough to sell merchandise and more games.

Also the fact that you all seem to think companies are not meant to provide a good service instead of just being profitable is pretty disheartening , especially since this is precisely where we’re meant to voice our complaints & concerne

Shameless cash grabs (or gachas) come and go, good games stay with you.

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Originally Posted by AndyMugu

Just because something is "profitable" in the short term doesn't mean it's good for the game in the long term, nor how profitable it will be either.

Sorry but I just strongly disagree.

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I guess, you completely missed the point. You can educate a company by voting with your wallet. If they do something, you do not like and you still give them money for it then they will not stop doing that stuff. It is very simple. SQEX is a publicly traded company. They have to push the value of the company as much as they can. And if some items in the online store are successful and the players will buy them then they will do it over and over again. If you do not like this behavior, do not buy the items. If nobody will buy them then they not do it anymore.



Cheers

Some people feel really smart telling you that companies make money like it's not obvious and also not at all what you're talking about lol.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Some people feel really smart telling you that companies make money like it's not obvious and also not at all what you're talking about lol.

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Agree. The online store is already there and not many would have complained if the crossover was like past event rewards of game first and store later.

I wouldn’t even be this annoyed if this whole thing wasn’t in the live letter.
With this, the bracelets and the camping set (the most useless thing for me) all being advertised there it leaves a bitter taste of where the priorities lie.
They can’t be bothered to show the new pvp gear or go into depth with the chaotic raid (can’t even be bothered to have English translation) but have the time for this junk.

Yes a company wants money first but imo if it was something more important than this specific game as a crossover they would be getting far more backlash.
Just imagine it was FF16 that went straight into the online store.

It is correct to call them out on this in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Some people feel really smart telling you that companies make money like it's not obvious and also not at all what you're talking about lol.

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Considering SE's willing to torpedo their main money maker when the games funded by it have, by their own admission, largely flopped, I'm not convinced that they do want to make money.

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Originally Posted by AndyMugu

Sorry, but good games make more money in the long run, since the IP becomes famous enough to sell merchandise and more games.

Also the fact that you all seem to think companies are not meant to provide a good service instead of just being profitable is pretty disheartening , especially since this is precisely where we’re meant to voice our complaints & concerne

Shameless cash grabs (or gachas) come and go, good games stay with you.

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Maybe they need to raise the sub prices for everyone given they haven't done that is ages. Just a thought! Look around at prices in the real world and be real about it.

Dont buy the glams

Putting glams in the cash shop seems silly when the people who would care most about glams have… other methods to wear them

Sooo, a shameless cash grab essentially? lol

"It's just an egg-frying emote, guys"

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Putting glams in the cash shop seems silly when the people who would care most about glams have… other methods to wear them

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Frankly I wish those two glams are at least something we can get from doing something in-game. Maybe like next pvp series, or achievements, ... or whatever that is.

I'm gonna be serious, they don't even look good. There's a serious lack of luciousness and fullness (or polish. A lack of care, really.) in both of them.
https://i.imgur.com/1MbWftd.png
Just look at the comparison between Mont's feather cape and the one in XIV -- maybe lay down the damn ozempic for 2 seconds and make them fuller looking. This is thin and dull for a paid cosmetic.
*Then* I'll consider buying it, but they'll probably be genderlocked for no reason, so it's a no anyway.

It's not to the same level as the korean exclusive dress atleast, but it's not any better.

Most likely the last attempt to fund Exvius before SE inevitably shuts it down like 90% of there mobile games.

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Originally Posted by Doragan

I'm gonna be serious, they don't even look good. There's a serious lack of luciousness and fullness (or polish. A lack of care, really.) in both of them.
https://i.imgur.com/1MbWftd.png
Just look at the comparison between Mont's feather cape and the one in XIV -- maybe lay down the damn ozempic for 2 seconds and make them fuller looking. This is thin and dull for a paid cosmetic.
*Then* I'll consider buying it, but they'll probably be genderlocked for no reason, so it's a no anyway.

It's not to the same level as the korean exclusive dress atleast, but it's not any better.

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Are these the glams? LOL. LMAO even. They look like something you'd get early on in ARR.

On further inspection. They DO look really plain compared to the art. Especially the dress.

Please dont buy it and support their shameless cash grab.

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Originally Posted by Doragan

I'm gonna be serious, they don't even look good. There's a serious lack of luciousness and fullness (or polish. A lack of care, really.) in both of them.
https://i.imgur.com/1MbWftd.png
Just look at the comparison between Mont's feather cape and the one in XIV -- maybe lay down the damn ozempic for 2 seconds and make them fuller looking. This is thin and dull for a paid cosmetic.
*Then* I'll consider buying it, but they'll probably be genderlocked for no reason, so it's a no anyway.

It's not to the same level as the korean exclusive dress atleast, but it's not any better.

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If they made them big like the artwork I'd probably be a little "aww man" but given as they are, they seem very regular.. Not that I'm saying "yay I love cash shop" just that I don't really feel opportunity cost / loss. Big epic floofy armor, maybe :p

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

On further inspection. They DO look really plain compared to the art. Especially the dress.

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The dress seems to have lost a cloak and the detailed hairstyle of the original character, but I think the light is washing out a lot of the detail too.

I don't see any reason to get more upset about a cash shop crossover than any other random outfit they want to invent for the cash shop – most likely I won't get it either way, but if I do it's just going to be on the basis of the outfit looking nice on its own terms, regardless of its source.

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Originally Posted by PaulusHamsteru

Are these the glams? LOL. LMAO even. They look like something you'd get early on in ARR.

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My first thought was 'what are these ARR pvp glams doing in this live letter'

The original art on both outfits look like they rely on the capes to make them look fuller and more impressive. XIV lacks cape physics, so that's not gonna translate well.

So, easy passes from me.

I looked up the characters for some better reference pictures.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Mont_Leonis

Out of the three outfits shown, I think they picked the worst one to translate into FFXIV gear. The drape of red fabric on the chest is supposed to be part of the cape and spread more down the arm, but that probably wouldn't play nicely with how outfits are assembled here.

The other armoured outfit probably would have translated better, and I would have preferred to get the non-armoured outfit with the red tunic and white undershirt – that's my favourite sort of design for fantasy menswear and one we surprisingly don't have yet.


https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...3%A9rie_Hourne

All three of her dresses look nice but this is probably the one that translates best, besides having to convert the cloak to hanging straight. The pink one would probably be quite stiff and the tutu would end up more like the Songbird dress or risk going the way of the Quaintrelle's skirt.

I would guess they made this awhile ago and are putting it out now before they inevitably cancel War of Visions, like they have cancelled every other of their mobile gacha games. One more boost of revenue for the mobile gacha before they shutter it and the glam no longer is relevant to the market.

I'm still salty about them closing Dissidia: OO, don't mind me.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Oh, silly me, I hadn't even seen the glam until now and thought it was actually for Brave Exvius (which did indeed get shut down), and not for War of the Visions (...which is probably limping along).

While I stand corrected, I also stand less than impressed because these are just bleh... but then I also admit that for the brief time I played WotV, I didn't care for any of the original cast and only played it for the guest characters that came from other Final Fantasy games. I think the game even launched with Y'shtola as the first one.

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OH ok, I'll edit my first post, the point still stands.