Please stop making male glamour looking like female clothes.

With apologies to the LGBTQ+, theres men in this game that want their characters to look like men and dress like men. I dont mean you ppl should get your female glamours taken away from you, SE should make a male and female version and allow both of then to be used by any character, like the Thavnarian glamour from Heavensward.

If doing two version isnt acceptable, please make men be mainly in their glamours, its the minimum we who want to play as mainly characters, need.

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Originally Posted by Talael

theres men in this game that want their characters to look like men and dress like men.

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this except for females, not everyone who plays a female character (myself included) wants to run around in skirts/panties/bra's some of us want actual clothing/armor like the males

At this point I've gotten so used to being disrespected as a male, non-WHM, healer in XIV. Nearly every healer piece is a dress or long coat with bows and frills. At one point I was upset about it, now I just expect it. Dawntrail has released the same white and red long coat (that looks like a dress from the back) three times in a row so far. Not to mention that the design team seems to be getting high off of putting ties and frills on everything at the moment, the gear team desperately needs some new blood.

I also like dressing in more traditional male-designed clothing.

Some work out okay but there were other times were I feel the clothing was specifically designed for women - such as EW White Mage AF armor where I looked like a wedding cake, and the Moonward armor. While it was designed after a female character (Rydia), I was disappointed that they made no adjustments for a male to wear it.

I do like that there are options for different tastes, but we shouldn't have AF gears or entire tiers that seem geared only to one sex.

I am a big bulky Roegadyn, and this game doesn't have enough big bulky shoulderpads to accomodate me.

https://i.imgur.com/ZHAytrf.png

I'm LGB and i'm sick of it as well xD
I have the samenissue with some of the newer gloves.
Why can't i toggle of nails?
I like the gloves, but I don't want to have my nails dyed >_> ruins the piece for me(example the new halloween gloves)

Isn't this somewhat based on lore? Like mages and casters tend to flounce around in robes irrespective of gender.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Isn't this somewhat based on lore? Like mages and casters tend to flounce around in robes irrespective of gender.

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Golbez's heavy armor are actually dresses being glamoured! /s

As per OP I’m not really sure where we are getting a huge amounts of glamour that makes males look like females compared with glams that make males look distinctly masculine (I guess WHM is the exception)

I’m gay but I specifically want my character to look masculine; however I also like him to show skin sometimes and I feel like the gender divide doesn’t allow males to show skin and instead goes for boring versions of the well designed female gear

If it’s a distinctly gendered item (like say the valentines maid vs Buttler outfit) both genders should be able to wear both versions but right now they seem to just not like having males show skin and instead they get boring versions of the well designed female outfits. Then of course there is distinctly biased classes (WHM could never be a male) but I think that’s a different problem

They should do the opposite. Stop it with the pants on every set.

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Originally Posted by dwodmots

They should do the opposite. Stop it with the pants on every set.

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Recent glamours (not gear) have felt very underwhelming in the pants/shoes/gloves design. It's not quite every set but overall there are far too many plain belted pants, similar shoes and wrist-length full gloves. I wish they'd looked for opportunities to work in useful utility pieces instead – sleeve-hiding gloves at elbow- and upper-arm-length are the really obvious ones that would be great as all-class glamour.

“How intense they are and why glams are a mess”

People will come up with literally any reason to be transphobic won’t they. What does this even mean

Holy moly, this forum really will take any topic as a chance to say something hateful, or pin problems on something irrelevant. What an unproductive use of time, it's like people don't actually want the game to improve.

It is always so surreal when people assume that some gear being unisex or some gear having different versions without a sex-based lock in a game that up until today in the year 2024 a) has many, many more gear sets that adhere to traditional or conservative views on the sexes (the most recent tank set literally has a more traditionally feminine bottom piece for female characters) and b) that's developed in a completely different cultural context than Western-centric internet or academia bubbles is because of some "idpol" or "gender identity".

(Esp. mages wearing robes...that's a long-standing trope that has nothing to do with modern identity discourse whatsoever...or elegant robes on male characters in general. Somebody call Peter Jackson and tell him his 2001-2003 depiction of elves is because of future internet discourse.)

Lifting artificial restrictions on pieces of fabric imposed based on sex has nothing to do with the relatively recent emergence of what people currently understand under gender identity.

No matter how you feel about recent ideas of gender identity as a topic, women wanting to wear pants and men rebelling against society to make the latter accepting of men wearing skirts is an idea, a concept, that long, long predates twitter discourse of the 2010s.

It's literally just the simple, basic acknowledgement that women can wear pants and men can wear skirts and that a not-unsignificant number of people would really, really like to do this very basic thing. Neither sex will die of a sudden septic shock or an allergic reaction because it's programmed into our genes that we need to wrap our legs individually in cylinders of blue fabric or both of them in one big cylinder of fabric, pink and with ruffles.

(Also, it’s integral to the history of LGB. So you can’t invoke LGB to justify you are against lifting clothing restrictions based on sex. Lesbians, gay men and bisexual men and women have always challenged those norms irrespective of any modern notions of gender identity.)

So no, I don't think only some gear sets should have options, and some gear sets should stay locked according to sex as another user suggested.
If you plan on having different versions for a piece of gear to begin with then remove the lock and make them available to everybody instead. Let everybody pick the version they want.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

(Also, it’s integral to the history of LGB. So you can’t invoke LGB to justify you are against lifting clothing restrictions based on sex. Lesbians, gay men and bisexual men and women have always challenged those norms irrespective of any modern notions of gender identity.)

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I also found it very bizarre for another user to pin their argument on transgender players, a connection that doesn't make any sense in hindsight. But then again, it looks like they just came in with the intent to attack.

I just want my shoes to come with socks at this point. There's also sort of modern looking shoes, but no socks. :(

The men of the Roman Republic found pants to be barbaric and ugly. No proper Roman man would wear pants!

The point being, how we gender clothing is completely arbitrary and is constantly in flux. I want this game to have both highly masculine outfits, highly feminine outfits, and not particularly gendered one way or the other outfits, wearable by any character of any race and any gender. Yes, sometimes that means you may very occasionally see a masculine character wearing feminine clothing. If that bothers you, uh...that's kinda sus, ngl. red flag behavior.

Let girls wear long pants and boys wear short-shorts if they want.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Isn't this somewhat based on lore? Like mages and casters tend to flounce around in robes irrespective of gender.

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You can have masculine looking robes. There are even examples in game, but they seem to be popping up less and less.

But there's plenty of options out there. Hell, even real vestments can look good on men. Obviously they'd need to be changed up a bit to not rile anyone up, but the overall form can look good.

Cassock with Cincture:
https://i.imgur.com/rVQSUVn.png

Sein from Frieren:
https://i.imgur.com/AF8qRlk.png

Denken also from Frieren (This one is harder to see because of the angle and he normally wears a cloak over that outfit)
https://i.imgur.com/SPyYGtb.png

Kotomine Kirei from Type MOON
https://i.imgur.com/ceBBlfU.png

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Originally Posted by Picothea

Holy moly, this forum really will take any topic as a chance to say something hateful, or pin problems on something irrelevant. What an unproductive use of time, it's like people don't actually want the game to improve.

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For a topic as individually perceived as glamour, it’s going to be hard to please everyone. Ultimately, it will always boil down to everyone wanting their personal taste represented, which, let’s be honest, will be hard to accomplish.

That said, I think the dev team has already adapted quite a bit and changed things. When was the last time you saw an item as revealing as the varying bikinis or the Coliseum Galerus and Subligar for example?

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Originally Posted by Arlythe

For a topic as individually perceived as glamour, it’s going to be hard to please everyone. Ultimately, it will always boil down to everyone wanting their personal taste represented, which, let’s be honest, will be hard to accomplish.

That said, I think the dev team has already adapted quite a bit and changed things. When was the last time you saw an item as revealing as the varying bikinis or the Coliseum Galerus and Subligar for example?

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Why are you arguing that as a positive

I won’t need speedos (though I’d like more) but genuinly one of my biggest complaints about glam since ShB has been everything is a waistcoat or chunky robes

https://imgur.com/jGxQPGl.gif

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Why are you arguing that as a positive

I won’t need speedos (though I’d like more) but genuinly one of my biggest complaints about glam since ShB has been everything is a waistcoat or chunky robes

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I'm arguing it as neutral. Just an observation.
Personally, I like variety. If everything in the game is a robe and a pair of pants, i would gladly take a new pair of speedos, if you catch my drift.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

I am a big bulky Roegadyn, and this game doesn't have enough big bulky shoulderpads to accomodate me.

https://i.imgur.com/ZHAytrf.png

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ok but fr, I love dressing all cutesy but I sure wish I had some dudes (and ladies) in big burly armor to stare at :C Gotta cater to the full spectrum SE!

listen all i know is that these self-proclaimed "femboy" male viera running around wearing the gryphonskin breastplate and quaintrelle's skirt dyed cherry pink look like absolute clowns, no offense </3