YOU CALL THIS A EVENT??

I dont understand why FF 14 has the worst events from all the MMO's I've played
Its like they dont bother at all to make it good. WoW does it better, Guild Wars does it better, RIFT DOES IT BETTER!!!! it blows my mind that we cant get a good holiday event with fun activities... I'm so close on unsubing from this game. im tired of the lazy crap

Look, pal. This ain't your grandpa's MMO. This is Final Fantasy XIV. If you want to play a real game, there are tons of options out there. We subscribe to Final Fantasy XIV so we can feel proud knowing we chose the right side of history. You know what other MMOs have? Bobby Kotick. Paintings of fruit bowls. Microtransactions. Anticheat. And worst of all? Those games don't even respect your time. Yep, that's right. But FFXIV does. For just $13 a month, you can play all the other MMOs you want as long as they're free. And you can be on the right side of history, all at the same time. How else can you prove your superiority online? With FFXIV, you are superior, and everyone knows it. All you have to say is "but WoW", and flocks of unwashed peasants bow at your feet. Mention how Yoshi-P cried that one time and the peasants will start crying too. Content? We don't need content. We have fans, and that's enough for Square Enix.

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Look, pal. This ain't your grandpa's MMO. This is Final Fantasy XIV. If you want to play a real game, there are tons of options out there. We subscribe to Final Fantasy XIV so we can feel proud knowing we chose the right side of history. You know what other MMOs have? Bobby Kotick. Paintings of fruit bowls. Microtransactions. Anticheat. And worst of all? Those games don't even respect your time. Yep, that's right. But FFXIV does. For just $13 a month, you can play all the other MMOs you want as long as they're free. And you can be on the right side of history, all at the same time. How else can you prove your superiority online? With FFXIV, you are superior, and everyone knows it. All you have to say is "but WoW", and flocks of unwashed peasants bow at your feet. Mention how Yoshi-P cried that one time and the peasants will start crying too. Content? We don't need content. We have fans, and that's enough for Square Enix.

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this is off to a fantastic start

I think the issue is that SE only ever thinks about making everything story-driven because of how it's a "story-driven game". At almost the complete expense of action and actually doing things.

So when there's an event, their main concern is making a sob story where we have to feel sorry for someone and heroicly help give them confidence to achieve something relevant to the event. At the end of that story we're meant to feel all happy and clap and it plays a victory sound of some form.

I'm sure this works for, say, someone who literally only has time for seasonal events due to a busy work life and wants a little positive cute heroic story to get them in the spirit of the season.

But when you do all the rest of the stuff in the game, just being yet another sob story (completely unvoiced) makes it draining to bother.

They could just say "hey! want to participate in the event? go to that haunted manor over there and see if you can get through it without being scared!" and then let us do whatever haunted dungeon they made.

Wait were having this as a problem now lol

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I dont understand why FF 14 has the worst events from all the MMO's I've played
Its like they dont bother at all to make it good. WoW does it better, Guild Wars does it better, RIFT DOES IT BETTER!!!! it blows my mind that we cant get a good holiday event with fun activities... I'm so close on unsubing from this game. im tired of the lazy crap

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I completely forgot about rift ! Glad to hear it didn't went to the "end of service" road like wildstar ;D

Now try to chill a little and take a step back, ff14 events are just a symptoms of a greater problem that has been going on for years in this game : complacency, at that point they are not just resting on their laurels, they made a whole mattress + blanket out of them.

In a recent interview Yoshi P even admitted that he assumed Dawntrail's reception from the player base would be mixed and to be honest when i read that, coming from someone so experienced at mitigating bad PR, I easily translated that to "I thought it was kind of bad".

Then why launching it ? Why not correcting what he thought wasn't good enough ? Why was that even a thing in the first place ? Aren't he and a few others supposed to supervise the new people's work ? If that's not complacency then i don't know what it is.

It's pretty obvious that they mainly rely on the influx of new players, because let's be honest, if you are one and enjoy hub simulator with very surface level Mmorpg open world content, you'll have a field trip for around 2 years with this game ... unless you're a neet that is.

Current ff14 "success" formula : shit load of content for new players + cash shop + sunk cost fallacy and fear of missing out for older players until they quit. I'd say it's a pretty decent "min/maxing" way of doing thing when you want to minimize cost and maximize revenue but in my opinion it's slowly eroding peoples good will toward this game.

At least it did for me, i went from "letting my sub running even when i didn't play much + buying stuff from the stores" to "only subbing every 1 month and a week to keep my house" and finally "meh i don't give a shit anymore, I'll just pop when there will be free login campaign to do the msq and/or the event if there is one".

I mean, in GW2's defense, when I played, the Events were basically the only new content we got.

It sucks because FFXIV has the metagame, community (specifically my FC), and legacy relevance that I want from an MMO, but WoW has the combat, class design, and long-term playability that I want from an MMO.

I enjoy and hate both for different reasons, and no other MMO even comes close to scratching my brain itch.

Ugh

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At least it did for me, i went from "letting my sub running even when i didn't play much + buying stuff from the stores" to "only subbing every 1 month and a week to keep my house" and finally "meh i don't give a shit anymore, I'll just pop when there will be free login campaign to do the msq and/or the event if there is one".

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This is me currently. I bought a 6-month sub, which was a total waste of money, for the simple reason that I don't even do anything in the game. There is just no content that interests me. I've done all the old content I wanted. I don't raid, there is no point in mount collecting as most are simply reskins (new wings are simply birds without the body), and the casual content just sucks.
If there isn't anything interesting in 7.1, I'll just quit until the next login campaign or expansion.

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Wait were having this as a problem now lol

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Well it’s called content drought and back they increase the wait time between patches because of corona so we get polished content. Expect you know bugs and stuff not working and we are not in corona times anymore so maybe they should do old patch times. I mean 52 bucks until new content is out and for unpolished content is kinda uff. And I do play wow in the meantime and I actually have too heal as a healer. Yeah maybe class balancing is not that great but the classes do have good Identity.

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Wait were having this as a problem now lol

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I love how people think if they just ignore the problems the games have then suddenly they won’t be problems anymore rather than just festering beneath the surface and making people angrier over time

This has been a problem since like 2018 where we dumped “experience 1.23b again in a memory from uldah” to “talk to 3 NPC’s and get a furniture item nobody wants”

I like that the seasonal stuff is short and sweet. I don't want in-depth limited time events that cause FOMO. If they're going to make something elaborate and special it should be saved for things that are permanently in game, not stuff that we'll get to do once. The only way I'd be ok with more time going into it is if they let you get the items the next time the event comes around, and we know they're not going to do that because they put the seasonal stuff in the cash shop.

Its pretty obvious that events exist solely for future mogstation updates.

Yeah so many people. I've had to move DC. lost friends, sold my estate. This pissing around emptying retainers and stuff when actually they COULD just put all my housing stuff in a container for me so its not so painful. So at last I can unsub!
I put a similar post up as was just met with "There isn't a problem because *I'm* happy though!"
When all these people know damn well the game is a shadow of what is was and while it 'continues' like this it IS dying. Don't 'assume' this will change. People thought that at end of EW and look what happened really. I played this for four years and it was 'not' always like this. SQX shouldn't assume we are going to buy into the next XVIIIMXLMFCK MMO .
I'm on these forums because its more engaging than the game.
The only people still around is increasingly becoming people like us who because of one mental health abnormality or another have attachment/identity issues, about what for most people is just a game of pixels on a screen and a cold keyboard and mouse, that they stop playing when its not fun.
This 'screams' resource issues. Devs don't have the time, and/or are just burned out.
But hey everything is fine.

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I like that the seasonal stuff is short and sweet. I don't want in-depth limited time events that cause FOMO. If they're going to make something elaborate and special it should be saved for things that are permanently in game, not stuff that we'll get to do once. The only way I'd be ok with more time going into it is if they let you get the items the next time the event comes around, and we know they're not going to do that because they put the seasonal stuff in the cash shop.

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"short and sweet" is what they used to be. THIS though is something new. THIS is a 'non' event. A total 'non' event.

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I like that the seasonal stuff is short and sweet. I don't want in-depth limited time events that cause FOMO. If they're going to make something elaborate and special it should be saved for things that are permanently in game, not stuff that we'll get to do once. The only way I'd be ok with more time going into it is if they let you get the items the next time the event comes around, and we know they're not going to do that because they put the seasonal stuff in the cash shop.

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People are talking about a little bit more and not full blown week long time investments you know, stuff that actually was in this game in the past.
We are talking about the Halloween dungeon that one year where you had to dodge ghosts for example.
This is still an MMO after all.
FOMO is so inflationary nowadays I think people don’t even know anymore what it means.
Having to do more than a single quest line to get rewards is not FOMO.


Ever since post EW my friend list is completely grey because all of them became disillusioned with the game.
It’s really sad to see other people celebrating how this game has turned out nowadays just because they can’t be bothered to play more than 20 minutes a week while still wanting all of the rewards.

Oh hey, no "it has always been this way" argument yet. Yeah, the events suck. Honestly, the rewards from them also suck lately. I tend to completely forget about them half the time. I wish it wasn't the case but at this point it's no surprise.

Pretty sure FFXI has better holiday events than FFXIV. They used to be way better and look like they put some effort into them. Think they must be running out of ideas and that's why the game is getting more and more boring.

I miss splashing holy waters.

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Pretty sure FFXI has better holiday events than FFXIV. They used to be way better and look like they put some effort into them. Think they must be running out of ideas and that's why the game is getting more and more boring.

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FF11 does have better holiday events. In ff11 just for the Halloween event alone they have a couple minigames for you to do like hunting for pumpkins in various zones in random corners of the zones similar to an easter egg hunt for rewards and other minigames. And you can get previous years Halloween event rewards at an npc.

I like FFXIV because well... It respects me as a person. If I only want to do the weekly grind, then I can be in and done in a few hours and leave the rest alone. But apart from that? There is so much random stuff to do, and if nothing else pvp is somewhat enjoyable.

But sure, if you have everything leveled up that you care about, done all the content as it came out for the full run of the game and so on. Yeah I can see it being boring to some, personally I sometimes run new game+ sometimes make new characters all together and so forth... It really is just what it is tbh.

WoW is the only MMO that has a active content cycle atm, but that shit is just stressful to me. And the game completely lacks soul since like 2008. FFXIV might be a bit more piecemeal but there is stuff there, bozja, eureka etc, and we are getting several new field activities in Dawn Trail from the looks of things.

I dunno, I'm fairly content with what is on offer, and it gives me room for other games in my library to be played instead of just playing the same MMO day in and day out.

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I dont understand why FF 14 has the worst events from all the MMO's I've played
Its like they dont bother at all to make it good. WoW does it better, Guild Wars does it better, RIFT DOES IT BETTER!!!! it blows my mind that we cant get a good holiday event with fun activities... I'm so close on unsubing from this game. im tired of the lazy crap

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One of my new favorite F2P games The First Descendant has better events than this and its only been out since July.

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One of my new favorite F2P games The First Descendant has better events than this and its only been out since July.

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Bro I grew up playing nothing but f2p mmos and they've all done events better than this. Even maplestory, a game where literally all you do is grind and hang out, had the sense to implement events that lasted longer than 11 minutes. Events that encouraged people to play the game. I think the closest thing we have to a recurring event like that in this game are mogtomes and yokai watch. But with mogtomes, they made it all dependent on which dozen or so pieces of content they decide to bring to the table, and this time it's mostly boring stuff from heavensward/arr. And yokai watch is just fates. Fates for days. It amazes me how they can be so bad at this, but it doesn't matter; people will keep defending it and buying it and buying all the mogslop as well.

They haven't made anything genuinely new for this game in ages. Everything is just "click NPC and watch cutscene" or "run a dungeon then click NPC and watch cutscene." And yet new content takes longer than and longer every cycle. They just have no idea what they want to do, so everything is lowest common denominator tedium.

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People are talking about a little bit more and not full blown week long time investments you know, stuff that actually was in this game in the past.
We are talking about the Halloween dungeon that one year where you had to dodge ghosts for example.
This is still an MMO after all.
FOMO is so inflationary nowadays I think people don’t even know anymore what it means.
Having to do more than a single quest line to get rewards is not FOMO.


Ever since post EW my friend list is completely grey because all of them became disillusioned with the game.
It’s really sad to see other people celebrating how this game has turned out nowadays just because they can’t be bothered to play more than 20 minutes a week while still wanting all of the rewards.

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Speaking of Inflationary things...

Anyways, I disagree. I do like playing this game, but that's the thing. Doing the haunted house instances with three people that are eating and sniffing glue was not fun, same the the valentine maze. I would love if they gave us some permanent content, I just think it's a waste of resources to put something in that is annoying and I have to do it within this arbitrary amount of time.

I highly doubt your friends quit because they didn't have the exhilarating gameplay of hitting sprint and one other action in the halloween instance...

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Speaking of Inflationary things...

Anyways, I disagree. I do like playing this game, but that's the thing. Doing the haunted house instances with three people that are eating and sniffing glue was not fun, same the the valentine maze. I would love if they gave us some permanent content, I just think it's a waste of resources to put something in that is annoying and I have to do it within this arbitrary amount of time.

I highly doubt your friends quit because they didn't have the exhilarating gameplay of hitting sprint and one other action in the halloween instance...

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My friends quit because they had absolutely nothing to do and because the events were reduced to simple cutscenes as two of the reasons.
We were there when the rising event was a fighting quest line in Ul’Dah. We were there when we got the awesome 8bit labyrinth mini game as well.

Make fun of it all you want but there are people that actually want to play this game and don’t despair because they don’t get instant rewards in an event. There are people that actually don’t get nightmares because they wonder if they manage to play an event for more than 10 minutes or miss out on the rewards.
You are the one who defends getting no content in a video game and used the word FOMO.
I seriously don’t understand where the fear of missing out is coming from when you have to do more than a single cutscene.
You also reduce all to the haunted mansion and other people failing when we had far more in the past even single player style.

And for the one and done problem you have.
No one forces the devs to not bring this content back if only in the gold saucer.
So that is a problem on them.

I really wonder how people can happily ask for less content in this game and I really wonder why some of you even log in if you all dread anything that is more than crystal tower in roulette or a cutscene in an event.

Yes I am angry about this and you know why?
Because I saw over the years the game give less and less, saw friends leave because if it and still there are people defending it all because they have a fear of missing a reward they have so much time to get.

But you know what? Do whatever you want. I think it’s better if I just don’t care anymore.
I and others were only good enough for the devs to get the game till now. We are no longer the audience.
Apologies if I am unnecessarily rude with my words.
Have a nice day.

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I disagree, they don't respect you as a person because they don't respect you paying for a product after a certain point.

Any game with a back catalogue of content is going to feel like there's plenty to do. For those of us who have either been with the game from the beginning or have done all the old content we get, at most, a few weeks of content a year.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect something more than what we're getting now; given what we used to get when the game had far fewer players.

As a whole this game is a joke with its content pipeline and is easily outshined by other games in the genre.

There's free to play games that put out better seasonal events and there's other pay to play MMOs like WoW which puts out WAY more content WAY more quickly than SE does.

Nearly everyone I know who used to play has stopped. I occasionally get asked if anything fun is going on in the game and I say no its the same old stuff that you do in a week and then have nothing more to do for 4 and a half months or longer.

It's no stretch of the imagination to say SE is completely dropping the ball in every way with XIV. Sure, this could be seen as just one minor aspect to the game but its just one of the many issues which leads to the larger issue of having long, extended durations of content droughts.

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My friends quit because they had absolutely nothing to do and because the events were reduced to simple cutscenes as two of the reasons.
We were there when the rising event was a fighting quest line in Ul’Dah. We were there when we got the awesome 8bit labyrinth mini game as well.

Make fun of it all you want but there are people that actually want to play this game and don’t despair because they don’t get instant rewards in an event. There are people that actually don’t get nightmares because they wonder if they manage to play an event for more than 10 minutes or miss out on the rewards.
You are the one who defends getting no content in a video game and used the word FOMO.
I seriously don’t understand where the fear of missing out is coming from when you have to do more than a single cutscene.
You also reduce all to the haunted mansion and other people failing when we had far more in the past even single player style.

And for the one and done problem you have.
No one forces the devs to not bring this content back if only in the gold saucer.
So that is a problem on them.

I really wonder how people can happily ask for less content in this game and I really wonder why some of you even log in if you all dread anything that is more than crystal tower in roulette or a cutscene in an event.

Yes I am angry about this and you know why?
Because I saw over the years the game give less and less, saw friends leave because if it and still there are people defending it all because they have a fear of missing a reward they have so much time to get.

But you know what? Do whatever you want. I think it’s better if I just don’t care anymore.
I and others were only good enough for the devs to get the game till now. We are no longer the audience.
Apologies if I am unnecessarily rude with my words.
Have a nice day.

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I didn't say even half of what you've accused me of saying but you can keep lying all you want.

I literally said I want them to put the work into permanent content and not into seasonal stuff. Dev time and resources are limited and if they're going to spend that time on stuff it should be spent on things that we can continue to enjoy, not something that they then take take away and then the items from get put into the cash shop.

It's scummy that we pay a sub and then they design instances and items that are limited time and then they get put into the cash shop for them to double dip.

It's scummy that I can't replay that content when I want to.

Really don't feel bad about how you feel about things, since you felt the need to lie and say that I said things that I didn't and insinuate that what I'm asking for is unreasonable, you went in with the purpose of being rude from the start so pretending that you're sorry about it is laughable.

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I didn't say even half of what you've accused me of saying but you can keep lying all you want.

I literally said I want them to put the work into permanent content and not into seasonal stuff. Dev time and resources are limited and if they're going to spend that time on stuff it should be spent on things that we can continue to enjoy, not something that they then take take away and then the items from get put into the cash shop.

It's scummy that we pay a sub and then they design instances and items that are limited time and then they get put into the cash shop for them to double dip.

It's scummy that I can't replay that content when I want to.

Really don't feel bad about how you feel about things, since you felt the need to lie and say that I said things that I didn't and insinuate that what I'm asking for is unreasonable, you went in with the purpose of being rude from the start so pretending that you're sorry about it is laughable.

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Yes because cutting the seasonal events 6 years ago back to this beige garbage has certainly got us more repeatable content

You are attempting to chose between A and B when square will give us neither then acting like people who ask for both are the problem

Ffxiv makes "a new story" every event,
while other mmos focus on gameplay over story
and replay the same event years after years..

FFXIV could stop with the story and go same path,
focus on gameplay and just replay the same events like other mmos... = save both money/time actually.

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Yes because cutting the seasonal events 6 years ago back to this beige garbage has certainly got us more repeatable content

You are attempting to chose between A and B when square will give us neither then acting like people who ask for both are the problem

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It was literally Jan 2022 when we got the new instance for All Saints Wake that got delayed because of the pandemic, which seems to be what ya'll think is the pinnacle of gameplay that is so sorely missing.

And again, I never said that. I want more content in the game, and I could complain about the lack of things getting put in the game, but that's not what this thread is about so I don't feel the need to air that out here, since the thread is about seasonal events which I think are fine as they are.

do you remember I think was 3-4 years ago we got a small special dungeon for the saint wake and I wished they would have build something from this but nope they scraped it the other year

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Ffxiv makes "a new story" every event,
while other mmos focus on gameplay over story
and replay the same event years after years..

FFXIV could stop with the story and go same path,
focus on gameplay and just replay the same events like other mmos... = save both money/time actually.

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Hmm a 10 min story or a week of gameplay for the event.. I go for gameplay.

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It was literally Jan 2022 when we got the new instance for All Saints Wake that got delayed because of the pandemic, which seems to be what ya'll think is the pinnacle of gameplay that is so sorely missing.

And again, I never said that. I want more content in the game, and I could complain about the lack of things getting put in the game, but that's not what this thread is about so I don't feel the need to air that out here, since the thread is about seasonal events which I think are fine as they are.

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They not are fine as they are.. They are complete trash. Stop supporting this crap.

I'd have this more rather than running event dungeons for RNG drops which I get only 1 chance per day, account wide, where event exclusive rare items have a ~1% chance for you to get it.

Here, I finish a quest series, get the event items and ... get to look around and enjoy the rest of the event on my own.

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I'd have this more rather than running event dungeons for RNG drops which I get only 1 chance per day, account wide, where event exclusive rare items have a ~1% chance for you to get it.

Here, I finish a quest series, get the event items and ... get to look around and enjoy the rest of the event on my own.

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What "rest of the event"?? The strewn pumpkin decorations??

Why do they create new engaging event when they can cash your subscription for nothing?

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I'd have this more rather than running event dungeons for RNG drops which I get only 1 chance per day, account wide, where event exclusive rare items have a ~1% chance for you to get it.

Here, I finish a quest series, get the event items and ... get to look around and enjoy the rest of the event on my own.

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I 100% disagree with you.

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I'd have this more rather than running event dungeons for RNG drops which I get only 1 chance per day, account wide, where event exclusive rare items have a ~1% chance for you to get it.

Here, I finish a quest series, get the event items and ... get to look around and enjoy the rest of the event on my own.

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Almost no one wants an exorbitant RNG grindfest like you describe. People simply want to play the game and not just read a bit of text, that surely is not too much to ask?
Currently, there is no "rest of the event" after you have read through the questline. No fates to band together, no unique challenges to tackle with friends. You simply read a bunch of text by yourself.