Why would you put trove coins on Crystal tower?

It is a really good question to whomever designed this trove thing and that people is really tried of anything forced Crystal Tower.

Why not put the trove coins onto the coils, and for 24 man raids SB, SHB, EW raids.

IT seem really off to me that other content is not promoted better than the usual.

Because sprouts need people to help them clear it so they can progress the MSQ. So you get rewarded for helping those sprouts.

If you would like to do it a way other than CT, there are plenty of other ways to get them.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Because sprouts need people to help them clear it so they can progress the MSQ. So you get rewarded for helping those sprouts.

If you would like to do it a way other than CT, there are plenty of other ways to get them.

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I‘m sorry but I disagree.
Crystal Tower is probably the only think in this Game that does NOT need help to trigger.
It‘s the single most occuring A-Raid next to Labyrinth. At most I could see world of darkness here.

The Ivalice raids trigger so rarely that players nowadays don‘t even know the mechanics anymore. Hell people often leave till they get tower because they have become so used to it that everything else is a chore to them.

Yes it is important to help keep old content alive for sprouts but crystal tower is first not one of them and second the other raids can also be considered old by now.
They have an obligation to keep the entire game alive and not just this overused joke of a raid.

SE KNOWS of the problems with these raids and yet they do this here. They hold so much to their formula it‘s really annoying.
I don‘t care much for this event but this here can rightfully be criticized.

Might just be a set rotation but its pretty tonedeaf nonetheless. Sprouts certainly dont need help with the only MSQ required alliance raid lmao.

Uh, CT isn't there to help sprouts progress MSQ, its there so sprouts have a chance to get tomes as well. Since its the only MSQ required alliance raid series; it makes sense to compile everyone together at the lowest and required raids so people can farm it without waiting for queues. If MSQ finally makes the Void Ark series a requirement to do for the story; they can start doing more events based around it. CT however, will always be top choice for these events because it reaches the most players.

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Originally Posted by Gember

Uh, CT isn't there to help sprouts progress MSQ, its there so sprouts have a chance to get tomes as well. Since its the only MSQ required alliance raid series; it makes sense to compile everyone together at the lowest and required raids so people can farm it without waiting for queues. If MSQ finally makes the Void Ark series a requirement to do for the story; they can start doing more events based around it. CT however, will always be top choice for these events because it reaches the most players.

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Where do we draw the line for that though?
Instead of leading to dead stb raids or hw raids why not use this event as the trigger for new players to unlock those and actually help them with getting into it? Like I don‘t know, actually keeping other content alive?

If anyone refuses other raids then screw them. This is an MMO. Work for your rewards and unlock them.
If new players haven‘t unlocked anything besides crystal tower than make the ARR dungeons also give tomes.

They are so fixated on ARR for all events that they forgot that HW and Stb are also old content and man do those need help nowadays.

I just think there are other ways to get new players or keep old content alive instead of pushing the side of the scale down that is already touching the ground.

always found it weird to put troves tokens only on a few selected content instead of putting it directly on roulettes

putting side content into such events would be a good way to lead people to that content without forcing them to do it

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Originally Posted by Mecia

Might just be a set rotation but its pretty tonedeaf nonetheless. Sprouts certainly dont need help with the only MSQ required alliance raid lmao.

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I don't think even this is the case. Two mogtome events ago, it was CT. When I asked why, people used the same logic. "A set rotation." The next mogtome event was not CT. And now we have this one where it's CT again. If it is a rotation, then it's a very short cycle where CT is repeated every other rotation. Which brings us back to the OP's question of why it's done this way.

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Originally Posted by Gember

Uh, CT isn't there to help sprouts progress MSQ, its there so sprouts have a chance to get tomes as well. Since its the only MSQ required alliance raid series; it makes sense to compile everyone together at the lowest and required raids so people can farm it without waiting for queues. If MSQ finally makes the Void Ark series a requirement to do for the story; they can start doing more events based around it. CT however, will always be top choice for these events because it reaches the most players.

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Most of the event is low leveled crap. It doesn't have to be a zero sum game, either. Just... have ct, but also have some other stuff for people who don't want to be downsynced to level 50 or 60. Easy fix.

Prae doesn't need help either. People are using plugins to remove the cutscenes and run it so quickly that they're hitting the instance cap.

And this mog event, they're still putting the worst dungeons in the game and raid, I wonder what the point is when it's doable in Trust System.

Worst of all, there's no one around at certain times to tell you how much people have deserted Dawntrail while waiting for the next patch, it's unheard of.

I say this because before, you could chain raids/dungeons to farm mog parts. Now, it's 2x more boring than before.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

Where do we draw the line for that though?
Instead of leading to dead stb raids or hw raids why not use this event as the trigger for new players to unlock those and actually help them with getting into it? Like I don‘t know, actually keeping other content alive?

If anyone refuses other raids then screw them. This is an MMO. Work for your rewards and unlock them.
If new players haven‘t unlocked anything besides crystal tower than make the ARR dungeons also give tomes.

They are so fixated on ARR for all events that they forgot that HW and Stb are also old content and man do those need help nowadays.

I just think there are other ways to get new players or keep old content alive instead of pushing the side of the scale down that is already touching the ground.

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Well, its not even people being lazy, Voidmage. There is a lot of new players who join the game every day, and they too matter when it comes to events. Now I do agree that there should be more variety for seasoned players as well. Alexander and Crystal Tower raids can be for sprouts, and Pandemonium and The Myths of the Realms can be for level 90 players who are trying to work on leveling up alt jobs, or for those who took a big break in Endwalker and need a good catch up motivation.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I don't think even this is the case. Two mogtome events ago, it was CT. When I asked why, people used the same logic. "A set rotation." The next mogtome event was not CT. And now we have this one where it's CT again. If it is a rotation, then it's a very short cycle where CT is repeated every other rotation. Which brings us back to the OP's question of why it's done this way.

Most of the event is low leveled crap. It doesn't have to be a zero sum game, either. Just... have ct, but also have some other stuff for people who don't want to be downsynced to level 50 or 60. Easy fix.

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Its honestly just speculation at this point. They may had an influx of new players entering the game, and maybe they are basing decisions on player traffic. Even though its consistent, the Crystal Tower raids are probably the safest choice the devs can make regarding player participation. As I stated above; it would be better if they had choices for both new and seasoned players in some regard. Though we all can say even with the latter choice on the menu; 80% of Alliance roulettes is gonna be one of the Crystal Tower raids. Its the easiest raids to access, unfortunately.

Just attach them to everything in the game (plus roulettes). This way people can pick and choose what they wanna run (aside from being a all blu raid to wipe out the bosses quickly).

to me all roulette should have the tomestone but they should give two set of alliance the tomestone one being CT and the other at random

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

to me all roulette should have the tomestone but they should give two set of alliance the tomestone one being CT and the other at random

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Why even bother giving it to CT at all, they should just do 2 of the 4 non CT sets then the other 2

Because there is no escape from that crystal hell :3

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Why even bother giving it to CT at all, they should just do 2 of the 4 non CT sets then the other 2

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like Syln said there is no escape so giving two set one being CT mean you still get coins so it isn't a waste at all and having CT is one of the way for new player to have one way to grind them

hey you know whats a good idea before releasing a chaotic alliance raid based on the alliance boss everyone is probably the sickest of?

more incentive to only ever see that alliance raid. God, I'm so glad I'm exclusively running pvp since I still needed to get my series exp up anyway. Haven't been subbed for over a month so I have 4 days to do it.

I just wish they'd drop the CT tome reward and add another AR series with an increased reward amount. Mogtomes shouldn't be only about sprouts (that would be a sign they're hemorrhaging players), it should also be about funneling players into less played content so everyone can experience and learn it. People complain about long queues if they're trying to do Nier or Ivalice raids for glams, mogtime time should be a perfect opportunity for those players to get to grind for stuff they want as well.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Because sprouts need people to help them clear it so they can progress the MSQ. So you get rewarded for helping those sprouts.

If you would like to do it a way other than CT, there are plenty of other ways to get them.

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Honestly is there NOTHING that SE could do that you wouldn't try defending? Why are you even here?

CT doesn't need tomestones. Don't be ridiculous. I have NEVER seen a new player complain about how long it took to get a CT raid pop. Half the people on this game probably haven't even unlocked the other raids, and the one time they could give a bonus to those raids so people *would* unlock them, they don't.

I wish they'd just include all the alliance raids for tomes. Maybe I'm unlucky, but I only got CT twice since the moogle event started, every other time it's been Void Ark.

I really don't care what raid I get, I just want the tomes.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

Honestly is there NOTHING that SE could do that you wouldn't try defending? Why are you even here?

CT doesn't need tomestones. Don't be ridiculous. I have NEVER seen a new player complain about how long it took to get a CT raid pop. Half the people on this game probably haven't even unlocked the other raids, and the one time they could give a bonus to those raids so people *would* unlock them, they don't.

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i was actually waiting 2 years for seeing the void arch in full until i found people who helped me. Meanwhile CT pops up everyday yes this one clearly need a reward for helping new players :D
btw making it part of the MSQ progress is not an excuse because now its now open for everybody this thing will fill automatically if many new players are out there.

For the other thing no he will defend SE untill the end i see why some posted in another thread " are you an alt of Yoshi-P "

They should rework CT as the first and the only MSQ Alliance Quest with NPCs to help out.

Idk why they have not done that, I think the JP players have been complaining about CT too.


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They need to start experimenting with Environmental & Battle Conditions, rare encounters, and other means to keep the Alliance Raids fresh and not be the same boring slog over and over again.

They somewhat did this with one alliance raid and never again (that one boss Prototype Ultima Weapon or the Demon lady).


to Clarify on Environmental Conditions, the weather affects the battle (much like Final Fantasy Tactics)

Give Weather like a actual use.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

I wish they'd just include all the alliance raids for tomes. Maybe I'm unlucky, but I only got CT twice since the moogle event started, every other time it's been Void Ark.

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Rotate the alliance raids. So every patch a diffirent set gets promoted. It avoids the situation in which 1 raid set is more beneficial so people focus on that one only. Thats why its good only 1 set is promoted, but ARR is just the wrong set to ever promote. It being msq mandatory and f2p makes it easy to fill up as every player within the roulette can be matched. So HW and onward should be promoted.

But within that, its still often just 1 of the raids that is most time efficient, causing players to spam that more often. Which again isnt helpful.

I at least would have said that in the even they should make it so every 2 or 3 days each raid gets a bonus on its own that outweights the normal raid value. Even just a boost of 4 makes it worthy to at least do the other 2 raids, and with a 2 day long rest, that means a bonus of 6 tomes per day on average. That realy makes the entire raid set get promoted instead of just 1 within those. This would even help in ARR by making all 3 raids beneficial.

Just gimme an unreal version of the alliance raids, with actual environments and trash mobs, not a boss platform [!!!!] and put that in the moogle event!! I'd happily do any content if I could use my whole kit :C

Mogtome choices sometimes hint at future content so if they aren't just on a rotation then we could be revisiting something with Alex and the Crystal Tower in the post-game story. One of the trials is a Hildy trial and we know he's coming.

Crystal Tower Raids are already required for the MSQ. Everyone's already gotta do them anyway. Why isn't CS3 focusing on alliance raids that aren't required, as a way to give them more visibility and to bring people outside of their comfort zone, making them experience different content?