why does this game get DDoS so much?

why does this game get DDoS so much? Genuinely curious why it's so frequent with this game.

Revenge for Dawntrail

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because they can... and its an easy target apparently

SE isnt the only group that goes after low hanging fruit

Advertisement. The companies/groups/governments that provide ddos services can claim that they took down a game with 20million players. We're not the target, we're the ad.

A lot of speculation is that it's revenge from banned RMTers.
People DDoS games for lots of ridiculous reasons and it's not hard to do it if you have a little spare cash.

Someone will probably shout that it's just bad servers and I don't disagree but I also 100% believe people with nothing better to do would DDoS one of the most popular games over some stupid gripe. People do really absurd stuff when it comes to popular multiplayer online games.

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Originally Posted by Tatiana

why does this game get DDoS so much? Genuinely curious why it's so frequent with this game.

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I don't know if I just didn't pay attention as much before, but I noticed a significant uptick ever since the week long DDOS or whatever when they did the payment method update that affected OCE/SEA

Nerds are doing it.

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Originally Posted by gllt

A lot of speculation is that it's revenge from banned RMTers.

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Revenge from banned RMTers would be the worst reasoning, I really don't know why people think that logic.

"Ah yes, lets get back at Square Enix by doing something that will piss off their consumers exclusively and that the company doesn't really need to care about since it'll just go away after some time! Oh, and these same consumers are our customers! Damaging the game and thus causing someone to potentially leave the game out of frustration and thus reducing our potential clientele is totally the best thing to do!"

RMTers have better things to do than to waste money hurting their own business.

The real reason is almost certainly just DDoS companies advertising their services. "We took down a game from a AAA game studio in charge of one of the biggest MMOs on the market!" is a powerful headline to prospective buyers.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

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I mean, a simpler explanation would also be to say that when DDOS's are happening/people are getting kicked, that affects their own ability to log in which costs them lost money directly + lost sales time. Even server lag is breaking bots. You're shooting yourself in the foot twice as hard for something you can't even maintain.

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Originally Posted by Tykku

Advertisement. The companies/groups/governments that provide ddos services can claim that they took down a game with 20million players. We're not the target, we're the ad.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

"We took down a game from a AAA game studio in charge of one of the biggest MMOs on the market!" is a powerful headline to prospective buyers.

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I wonder why XIV is always their target, and not arguably a bigger name like WoW? I browse their forums every now and have not ever seen anyone complaining about DDOSing.

Like you're right about it likely just being advertisement for DDoS services, I don't buy the RMTers are doing it thing either, but I absolutely believe people exist that would shoot themselves in the foot like that.

Humans are excellent at doing things that don't make sense when they get emotional.

Also DDoS money is pennies so anyone who does it really isn't hurting their budget.

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Originally Posted by Tykku

Advertisement. The companies/groups/governments that provide ddos services can claim that they took down a game with 20million players. We're not the target, we're the ad.

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It's this.

It happens to other MMOs all the time, FFXIV isn't 'special'.

We happen to be playing a very popular MMO so it's bound to happen.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

I wonder why XIV is always their target, and not arguably a bigger name like WoW? I browse their forums every now and have not ever seen anyone complaining about DDOSing.

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Blizzard servers have better counter measures.

It's not for lack of trying.

I don't think ever seen one when playing Elder Scrolls Online, Guild War2, or Black Desert Online. Only MMO I constantly see them on is here on FFXIV.

Its really hard to DDOS black desert because of how it functions at its core. Almost nothing gets affected because of how the game runs. I guess you can inconvenience those lamb meat farmers i guess.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I don't think ever seen one when playing Elder Scrolls Online, Guild War2, or Black Desert Online. Only MMO I constantly see them on is here on FFXIV.

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it goes in phases really, I have seen it happen on every game I have played over the years.

depends on the setup and 14 is really... as I said, low hanging fruit.

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

Blizzard servers have better counter measures.

It's not for lack of trying.

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Ah, you're right, I forgot that small indie Squeenix can't afford to keep 300,000 hacked smart fridges and thermostats from dumping packets into their network.

there is a lot of reason and its all add into one, from...
- just nerds being nerds
- just because
- could be banned rmt yeah
- someone paid to do so
- could be from se self to attract attention
- its one of the most top mmo out there so naturally it become target
- there is also talk backthen because the spagheti code so the countermeasure is hard to do so (at least compare to other big mmo)

its all come down to "attention", there is reason why old mmo never get ddos anymore

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

I wonder why XIV is always their target, and not arguably a bigger name like WoW? I browse their forums every now and have not ever seen anyone complaining about DDOSing.

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Just what you're paying attention to perhaps? Do a quick Google search on Blizzard or WoW getting DDOS'd and you'll see plenty of times it's happened. Heck, Destiny 2 got taken down for practically an entire week straight last year with DDOS attacks. FFXIV just released its new expansion, so with most of the MMO world's "attention" focused on it, it makes sense that it would be the target of the month.

If you're a big multiplayer game with servers you're going to get DDoS'd, bottom line
Everyone deals with it every day, sometimes it's worse than others

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

RMTers have better things to do than to waste money hurting their own business.

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You'd be really surprised by the amount of energy/resources people can spend for whatever reason.
We got a billboard situation, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would spend money to DDOS a server because they're annoyed with whatever online services.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

I wonder why XIV is always their target, and not arguably a bigger name like WoW?

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Blizzard's network and architecture is miles ahead for SE's. I don't particularly like Blizzard, but from a pure technical standpoint, they are miles ahead of Square Enix.

Happens to Blizzard as well:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...attack/1797955

Or to GW2:
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/topi...g-ddosd-again/

Or to ESO:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.co...l-platforms/p3

I don't think there's a need to go on. Everything gets DDOS'd, not online MMORPGs. Check out this post by Cloudflare alone:
https://blog.cloudflare.com/ddos-thr...rt-for-2024-q2

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Originally Posted by FuwafuwaMii

Happens to Blizzard as well:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...attack/1797955

Or to GW2:
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/topi...g-ddosd-again/

Or to ESO:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.co...l-platforms/p3

I don't think there's a need to go on. Everything gets DDOS'd, not online MMORPGs. Check out this post by Cloudflare alone:
https://blog.cloudflare.com/ddos-thr...rt-for-2024-q2

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Gw2? From 2018? That's 6 years ago.
Comparing Gw2 servers, databases, tools, architecture, and network routes to xiv's is like comparing a Shark to a small fish.

Would removing free accounts solve the issue?

It's just bad servers, SE lying like Elon Musk

Chloe

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Originally Posted by YouMayNot

It's just bad servers, SE lying like Elon Musk

Chloe

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Real talk, I believe Elon was coping and I believe Square's servers suck but why make a PR lie and say it's DDoS

Please explain the logic behind it in Square's case

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Originally Posted by TDawnstar

Blizzard's network and architecture is miles ahead for SE's. I don't particularly like Blizzard, but from a pure technical standpoint, they are miles ahead of Square Enix.

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Honestly I remember back in MoP WoW got targetted pretty badly for no small amount of time. I always figured the DDOS efforts we see often now were a side effect of 14's growing popularity. This wasn't nearly as common during the early WoW migration.

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Originally Posted by gllt

Real talk, I believe Elon was coping and I believe Square's servers suck but why make a PR lie and say it's DDoS

Please explain the logic behind it in Square's case

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If a company says nothing when their servers blow up, it looks bad. If they say it's their own infrastructure being lousy then it looks bad when it continues to have issues because yeah, they're being honest, but on the other hand "why aren't they fixing it". But if they blame it on some mysterious third party (the ddosers) then most people will just assume there's nothing that can be done except wait for the angry nerd to stop hitting the ddos button because most people don't know enough beyond that to demand further action (myself included). From just a "humans love lying to escape personal responsibility" standpoint, it's a great scapegoat for if you have lousy infrastructure but don't want to take responsibility for it, and there's no way for skeptics to prove that they're not being ddosed so we just have to take their word for it.

I could honestly swing either way on this, but I saw your post and just felt like expanding my thoughts on it a little since imo there are plenty of reasons for a corporation to lie about its quality to consumers. At the moment I don't personally believe Square are lying about malicious actors. All I know about ddos mitigation is it's a service offered by organizations like cloudflare, so I do wonder if we have anything of that sort happening in this game or if they've just taken all of XIV's profits and funneled it into gacha slop instead.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Gw2? From 2018? That's 6 years ago.
Comparing Gw2 servers, databases, tools, architecture, and network routes to xiv's is like comparing a Shark to a small fish.

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I could have searched for newer cases, but seriously.. you could do it yourself. It doesn't influence my point one bit.

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Originally Posted by FuwafuwaMii

I could have searched for newer cases, but seriously.. you could do it yourself. It doesn't influence my point one bit.

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Take responsibility for your claims, you're the one trying to claim that Gw2 has these issues haha. As I explained, it literally is the one mmo that has virtually no ddos issues, officially.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Take responsibility for your claims, you're the one trying to claim that Gw2 has these issues haha. As I explained, it literally is the one mmo that has virtually no ddos issues, officially.

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Well I gave you an answer, I can rephrase it here: I could google "guild wars 2 ddos" and link 10 occurrences, or 20, but you could do that yourself easily.

Conclusion: You're a troll.

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Originally Posted by FuwafuwaMii

Well I gave you an answer, I can rephrase it here: I could google "guild wars 2 ddos" and link 10 occurrences, or 20, but you could do that yourself easily.

Conclusion: You're a troll.

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Look, one of the reasons I left GW2 was because the XIV fanboys and white knights are nothing compared to the ones on GW2. I'm 100% sure he's not trolling, the subreddit is full of people like that.

And ironically Dawntrail is making me consider going back to GW2...

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Originally Posted by FuwafuwaMii

Well I gave you an answer, I can rephrase it here: I could google "guild wars 2 ddos" and link 10 occurrences, or 20, but you could do that yourself easily.

Conclusion: You're a troll.

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If it was a really ddos attack, why was it only 6 players talking about it and not way more. Sounds to me like it was their internet that was the problem. Looking at the dates of the link I was play GW2 at that time and never had one. Sounds like you're the troll instead.