Samurai LB and frontlines

In frontlines, the LB for Samurai is meant to just a troll tool. As there isn't anything deeper than being a samurai who intentionally goes where they shouldn't be to just try and get one or more cheeky kills. And I say this as someone playing the job.

Its actual kit outside of that is just: Soten + Hyotsetsu, or Soten + Mineuchi. Maybe Meikyo Shishui as a discount purify as some roots/heavys you and runs away, and if they don't stop running, its more likely Midare gets interrupted anyway unless you use the root or bind.

Oh sure it has Ogi Namikiri or Oka, but it feels really limp to actually do meaningfull things to them other than to be annoyance and loops back into Chiten gameplay. I gotten more kills with Zantetsuken (LB) by appearing to be afk in some place I shouldn't be than what the devs intended.

casualy playing astro to heal your BF and team, using macrocosmos, geting 1 shot from 100000 meters away with no way to defend yourself. At least you can screw up ninja fishing for LB by cheeky hea above 50%.
But seriously. All off frontline skills need a change. Some jobs are dead and unplayable (sage, red mage, bard....) some are broken and need a whole world to be rebuild to make them ballanced (we know their names)
P.S. its not an issue because why play samurai for a silly cheeky 1 shot across the map when you can play THE TEAM and get 100 kills combined?

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

Some jobs are dead and unplayable (sage, red mage, bard....) some are broken and need a whole world to be rebuild to make them ballanced (we know their names)
P.S. its not an issue because why play samurai for a silly cheeky 1 shot across the map when you can play THE TEAM and get 100 kills combined?

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Red mage is pretty good, you can engage and disengage fights independently.
The White Magic Melee combo comes with a baked in shield that gets even more potent if you use Engagement/Magicked Barrier, this is ontop if its superior % damage reduction making it tankier than other ranged classes.
It has a dual function heal + DMG LB, Ranged AoE CC (bind/silence) that can prevent engagements.

Samurai is a minor threat to anything that can create a self shield near instantly, being max health and having any substance of barrier will prevent you from dying from their LB so some classes like WAR,RDM,NIN,MNK don't have to respect a SAM's Chiten, since it's just a knowledge check.

OP is not wrong though, Samurai's playstyle in FL is like an irritating fly buzzing around the enemy hoping that they fall for the trap and retaliate against them.

Getting killed by SAM always feels cheap, especially when you unknowingly clip them with AoE. Their gameplay makes them seem like divas who try to make everyone touch them so that they can throw a fit when someone accidently brushes up against them.

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Originally Posted by EmilySummerstar

Getting killed by SAM always feels cheap, especially when you unknowingly clip them with AoE. Their gameplay makes them seem like divas who try to make everyone touch them so that they can throw a fit when someone accidently brushes up against them.

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Nice analogy :)

Yeah I just think SAM is dumb in FL, particularly in choke points. I've got zapped by them without ever realizing a SAM was buried somewhere beneath a Bahamut or Picto cupcakes or all the other mess that even low graphics produces.

I think there is some value in a job that has the capability to wipe out a max BH player instantly, as they can feel invincible at times with the bonus healing they get. Of course, someone who can get max BH on a non-ninja job is probably decent enough to not get baited by a SAM player but the mere presence of one nearby can act as a deterrent.

just wanted to put this out there but it does not 1 shot a person with bh5 unless they have taken like 20% hp. iv lived many times with the debuff applied. I still don't like it tho and understand completely the hate it gets haha

Samurai LB is a cheap ass trick and it doesn't belong in PvP period. OHKO's are weak gameplay. I'd prefer if their LB just reflected incoming damage back at the people who casted it, and the LB meter recharged quicker.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

Samurai LB is a cheap ass trick and it doesn't belong in PvP period. OHKO's are weak gameplay. I'd prefer if their LB just reflected incoming damage back at the people who casted it, and the LB meter recharged quicker.

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Ooh, I like that idea a lot. A far more interesting mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Spiffer

just wanted to put this out there but it does not 1 shot a person with bh5 unless they have taken like 20% hp. iv lived many times with the debuff applied. I still don't like it tho and understand completely the hate it gets haha

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It does exactly 100% of the target's HP in damage, which means that if you have some shields on top of it at the moment you get hit, you will survive it. It's an easy LB to bait with a lot of jobs that have on demand shields.

thats prob what it is, well ill retract my statement. i coulda sworn it didn't take into count bh but it says on skill 100% of targets hp if applied.

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Originally Posted by Spiffer

thats prob what it is, well ill retract my statement. i coulda sworn it didn't take into count bh but it says on skill 100% of targets hp if applied.

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Your BH also affects healing done which, ergo, increases your shielding done. There are very few jobs that don't have a shield and, of the jobs that do, there are fewer still that don't passively gain the shield as part of their standard rotation (as opposed to solely through limit break as in the case of DRG).

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

Red mage is pretty good, you can engage and disengage fights independently.
The White Magic Melee combo comes with a baked in shield that gets even more potent if you use Engagement/Magicked Barrier, this is ontop if its superior % damage reduction making it tankier than other ranged classes.
It has a dual function heal + DMG LB, Ranged AoE CC (bind/silence) that can prevent engagements.

Samurai is a minor threat to anything that can create a self shield near instantly, being max health and having any substance of barrier will prevent you from dying from their LB so some classes like WAR,RDM,NIN,MNK don't have to respect a SAM's Chiten, since it's just a knowledge check.

OP is not wrong though, Samurai's playstyle in FL is like an irritating fly buzzing around the enemy hoping that they fall for the trap and retaliate against them.

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If RDM is so good why noone plays it in FL? Maybe because the moment you rush into an enemy with caster defence you will be a red GOO on the grass / snow?
What about bard? Sage?
Some jobs are dead in that mode and the fact thet they CAN preform good in the right hands and even top score when pigs fly it doesnt mean we should consider this ballanced
Why bother with red mage dancing around, planing 5 steps ahead, risking being literally 1 shot when you can play black mage who is squishy too but can do so much more damage. Heal? Even pure healers cant do such a diffirence.
Why play warrior to pull away 1 player when you can play DRK and pull 1-500000 of them and be literally unkillable. Even ignoring LB DRK got shields toping them on heal charts and dmage reductions.
And yes. both SAM and ninja LB are a joke making cheap kills when conditions are met. But when i can trick ninja into using LB while using recuperate to deny them, i get 1 shot by sam no matter what, even if i didnt know they were in that pile of 20 enemies and billion of reduced SFXs. Machinist snipe command is designed to pick up low HP enemy from a great distance and its job fantasy. All samurais do are fishing for a debuff applied by a stray AOE to take a chep unfair and nigh-denyable kill. My astro has no shields. Expecting machinist to have one to prevent it.... Well its the same story that you can deny DRK premade of 4 by punhichng one back with monk skill.
PVP needs a full rework. And we all know those discord mafia will alwys find some cheap tactic to stack up on, but the system we have now is broken and unplayable as soon as semi-decent premade shows up.

You can't convince me that the person responsible for designing SAM's LB didn't main Hakumen or at least played Blazblue...

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...That is all. Everything else pertaining to SAM's LB has been discussed into the ground.

SGE in FLs can get incredible value if you're facing a premade or two. Completely nullifies DRK kitchen sinks if you plop it on your team... But it will only shield your team... Then you need to get the heck out.

It doesn't sound like most of the first posters have given SAM a try, OP isn't saying "Yeah SAM is OP" OP is saying the kit is a meme. It does 100% of your HP as damage, can be (to an extent) cc'd, and is relatively strong to make up for the rest of the kit. If it does 100% of HP as damage, you only need some barrier (like MNK's 6k dash barrier) to survive. You have one thing to worry about fighting a sam, and thats the kuzushi proc. Outside of that, I ignore SAM trying to whack away at me and just walk away. If they fail to get a decent proc on anyone they're dead amongst a crowd.

What else is there to deter mindless AoE spam in a DRK + AoE meta, that most players have access to? SGE shields, MCH LB is a good one for targeting backline squishies, what else? MNK picks/LBing a barrier, WAR pulls, ninja mobility/shuriken/executes, and SAM LB, etc. etc. I'm glad it happens.
The last thing I need to see is another 8 man premade, 6 AST's with BH5 sitting in the back being able to get away with it. SAM LB is a decent deterrent in situations where those protected, high BH backliners can just sit pretty. SAM can be fun, give it a try.

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Originally Posted by LeoBertolaso

It doesn't sound like most of the first posters have given SAM a try, OP isn't saying "Yeah SAM is OP" OP is saying the kit is a meme. It does 100% of your HP as damage, can be (to an extent) cc'd, and is relatively strong to make up for the rest of the kit. If it does 100% of HP as damage, you only need some barrier (like MNK's 6k dash barrier) to survive. You have one thing to worry about fighting a sam, and thats the kuzushi proc. Outside of that, I ignore SAM trying to whack away at me and just walk away. If they fail to get a decent proc on anyone they're dead amongst a crowd.

What else is there to deter mindless AoE spam in a DRK + AoE meta, that most players have access to? SGE shields, MCH LB is a good one for targeting backline squishies, what else? MNK picks/LBing a barrier, WAR pulls, ninja mobility/shuriken/executes, and SAM LB, etc. etc. I'm glad it happens.
The last thing I need to see is another 8 man premade, 6 AST's with BH5 sitting in the back being able to get away with it. SAM LB is a decent deterrent in situations where those protected, high BH backliners can just sit pretty. SAM can be fun, give it a try.

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Machinist cant 1 shot (well combo shot) a full HP squish. And to even try the drill+LB combo you have to get close and be pulled by so skillfull DRK. Then you dead. Now add BH 4-5 all those astros will have. And we are talking LB vs short CD baseline abilities.
We are talking about full strat and coordination when DRK shields, pulls in, guards (if needed) and goes back. While his girlfriends have to press 1 or 2 buttons and half of your raid is gone.
As for samurai - its annoying to get 1 shot when you dont even know he is over there. 1V1 you can trick, bait away the deuff etc. In party attack you accidently sneeze in SAM general direction and die next moment. And you sre most likely not 100% HP anyway (thx scholars. we all love you) so these tiny 6k shields will not save you.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

If RDM is so good why noone plays it in FL? Maybe because the moment you rush into an enemy with caster defence you will be a red GOO on the grass / snow?

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If you're engaging on your own into a 1v24 then you cannot blame the class for your death.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

What about bard? Sage?
Some jobs are dead in that mode and the fact thet they CAN preform good in the right hands and even top score when pigs fly it doesnt mean we should consider this ballanced

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What about them? They can fight if you have some general pvp knowledge and understand how to use their kits, and having high damage is just a matter of constantly being in battle, it's why SCH is often top of the leaderboard, it can apply constant damage very easily without having to actively be contributing in combat for a long duration of time. Being high in damage doesn't guarantee victory, BRD and SGE have their own individual ways to contribute to securing kills/areas, of course this will not have the same large scale impact as a 30s vacuum paired with a LB in such context.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

Why bother with red mage dancing around, planing 5 steps ahead, risking being literally 1 shot when you can play black mage who is squishy too but can do so much more damage. Heal? Even pure healers cant do such a diffirence.

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A red mage doesn't have to do 5 step planning to play though, It is as simple as dashing in using the melee combo and doing a backflip to leave the fight, so I'm not sure what the argument is ?

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

Why play warrior to pull away 1 player when you can play DRK and pull 1-500000 of them and be literally unkillable. Even ignoring LB DRK got shields toping them on heal charts and dmage reductions.

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Because there's more to the game than pulling players?
All PVP mode has objectives, securing those with your respective skills is the endgame goal, topping the damage chart does not entitle you to a free win.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

i get 1 shot by sam no matter what,

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We've already explained how to deal with those.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

Expecting machinist to have one to prevent it..

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Turret has a shield but of course it time to deploy and also activate its buff , but on another note if you're just mindlessly spamming AOEs and single target shotting a samurai without knowing if they've used Chiten, then you're pretty much giving them a free bank transfer of 10 BH points. BTW free tip: Samurais often will untarget everything once they use chiten and then press LB after a few seconds - anyone who taps them will get soft targeted by the samurai so it means they can pretty much guarantee a kill if a target gets selected for them, however you can bait it out as a MCH without getting instakilled, tossing out Wildfire will trigger the soft target mechanicfor them and they will more often than not just press LB right after and get no kill or mighty damage. This can also be done with certain targeted skills that deal no damage upon cast like RPR's Death Warrant and also MNK's Thunderclap.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

Machinist cant 1 shot (well combo shot) a full HP squish.

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ok
https://i.imgur.com/QfPIPBo.png

First of all.
You can do things with every job. I have seen sage top scoring in kills.
But why playing sage when you can play... i dunno, Anything else? Healers have scholars with their oh so skilled *apply dot and top score damage with 0 kills* or *stack up 4 scholars and have a laugh*, WHM has miracle that even after nerfs has a great CC potential, also LB. Astro is one of DRK girlfriends for a reason. I play as one to heal and buff people but i am doing it wrong apperently.
Second. we discussed samurai and i think we agreed that its not 1 on 1 *oh no i am dead because i didnt react to his slef buff deployment* We are talking about me using macrocosmos on 50 people and then getin 100% to 0 oneshot out of nowhere. That is not fun.
And i think i used proper english to explain why drill + LB combo is not viable against premade. Apperently not. between me and their astro with BH 5 is DRK who pushes 1 button and i am dead. LB has a giant range. Drill does not. Attempting to drill + LB against a premade is a ticket to Stix river. I know turret has shield. BUt i would rather deny the node take for enemy or debuff the target we are trying to kill which is hard in this meta even 1 vs 5 against BH melee/tank. Noone uses turret as a shield in frontlines.
And no. There is nothing more in this game than pulling enemies. Premades do not care about objectives. Especialy on ice licker map. They will just come and kill 10-15 people every 30 sec or so and win. Other maps have potential and can be won if enemy has ONE premade (surprise! It can be more than one!) and focus on one poor team instead of tactical thinking. But in the end its pull-in followed by some bullshit like 5 macrocosmos or maybe guard removal.
Samurai LB in frontlines is a cheap BS skill. That and Ninjas should be reworked. But only after DRK meta removal.
P.S. How high is BH of a shooter against a target on that screenshot?

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

First of all.
But why playing sage when you can play... i dunno, Anything else?

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People have their own reasons for playing a class and it varies from person to person, some think a class looks cool or feels nice to play and so they will play that of course.
For me, I love the combat flow of RDM and MNK in PvP, so I like to play them often, though fortunately for us in PVP we can swap to any class to try out so there's not really any restrictions to what a person picks.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

First of all.
we discussed samurai and i think we agreed that its not 1 on 1 *oh no i am dead because i didnt react to his slef buff deployment* We are talking about me using macrocosmos on 50 people and then getin 100% to 0 oneshot out of nowhere.

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As I said before, it's an easy solution to use marks as they will save your life, If you're running in and blindly tossing macrocosmos into a clump of players every 30s with no consideration for your own safety then it's something you need to account for yourself if you want to avoid 'randomly getting oneshot' by a cheeky LB.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

And i think i used proper english to explain why drill + LB combo is not viable against premade.

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The LB combo is lethal to any healer that often pairup with the DRKS, the damage is lethal and you brought up not being able to 1-shot squishies. If the DRK is diving directly ontop of you in particular and you're a ranged class getting pulled, then you're considered out of position and you have been caught.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

Premades do not care about objectives.

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Yes they do, that's why they often have incredibly high win rates compared to random players. People often 'lead' alliances and direct them to objectives, or have things like macros counting down when to coordinate burst for groups. And as you described, they engage HARD, sweep up any leftovers and swiftly leave to the next node/point worth contending.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

P.S. How high is BH of a shooter against a target on that screenshot?

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BH4, but you're basically given BH5 for free because you can do the Drill+LB from BH3 on squishies to secure a kill every 90s ontop of any other assists/kills obtained in skirmishes. Also it's possible to use Wildfire with single shot before using drill+LB for an extra 12k potency ontop of the 58k which becomes overkill at that BH against a ranged target, but it's good against the melee players since the built in damage reduction makes them quite durable compared to ranged classes.

I don't have much else to add going back on topic as LeoBertolaso's post summarises any extra thoughts I may have had regarding Samurai's uses in FL, and yes it's worth giving a go to try at the very least a few times to at least see how it operates.

Machinst can kill even with minimal battle high using Drill/LB combo, provided its against a non Melee job. MCH is not to be underestimated even if it isn't a meta role.

As far as the turret goes, which my mindest also applies to Sage due to its LB, I see more value in denying my enemy team damage, then putting out an AoE with minimal DPS that people will just walk around and ignore. The debuff it puts out on enemies even though it increases their damage taken, it really doesn't have any value and you don't need it to effectively nuke people. The other fun thing you can do with Machinist is coordinate with another Machinist, and instantly wipe out people from full health with 2x Marksmans Spite. That especially applies to Astrologians with BH V in DRK premades. Because if you can't stop them from mowing your team down, you can at least disrupt their gameplay and make them a bit salty in the process.

Remember when no one played SAM in PvP before the revamp? Good times.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

First of all.
You can do things with every job. I have seen sage top scoring in kills.
But why playing sage when you can play... i dunno, Anything else? Healers have scholars with their oh so skilled *apply dot and top score damage with 0 kills* or *stack up 4 scholars and have a laugh*, WHM has miracle that even after nerfs has a great CC potential, also LB. Astro is one of DRK girlfriends for a reason. I play as one to heal and buff people but i am doing it wrong apperently.
Second. we discussed samurai and i think we agreed that its not 1 on 1 *oh no i am dead because i didnt react to his slef buff deployment* We are talking about me using macrocosmos on 50 people and then getin 100% to 0 oneshot out of nowhere. That is not fun.
And i think i used proper english to explain why drill + LB combo is not viable against premade. Apperently not. between me and their astro with BH 5 is DRK who pushes 1 button and i am dead. LB has a giant range. Drill does not. Attempting to drill + LB against a premade is a ticket to Stix river. I know turret has shield. BUt i would rather deny the node take for enemy or debuff the target we are trying to kill which is hard in this meta even 1 vs 5 against BH melee/tank. Noone uses turret as a shield in frontlines.
And no. There is nothing more in this game than pulling enemies. Premades do not care about objectives. Especialy on ice licker map. They will just come and kill 10-15 people every 30 sec or so and win. Other maps have potential and can be won if enemy has ONE premade (surprise! It can be more than one!) and focus on one poor team instead of tactical thinking. But in the end its pull-in followed by some bullshit like 5 macrocosmos or maybe guard removal.
Samurai LB in frontlines is a cheap BS skill. That and Ninjas should be reworked. But only after DRK meta removal.
P.S. How high is BH of a shooter against a target on that screenshot?

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By all mean, I would be more happy with 5.1 version SAM, a generic limit break is far better than this gimmick Limit Break that all veterans knows how to avoid
You call 6.1 version SAM OP, but this is gimped version where their solo kill got stripped (Ninja too)
6.1 version SAM is a just a newbie killer or a counter to DRK Synergy when paired with a PLD (although people don't know how to utlize this)

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

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So detail quotes. I do NOT end up dead to DRK shit unless i space out or ping decides that my *guard* is not up. My point is - you cant combat LB with umplified tool without exposing yourself.
Also you can not 1 shot BH5 macrocosmos spaming premade astro with that combo reliably. Even if you manage to combo it you are not guaranteed to 1 shot someone (which is fair. Otherwise machinist would be a new meta. or maybe 4 ninjas chain LB?). And good luck geting BH4 vs premade !@#$%s. I will survive if i am focused. i WILL get my bh 4 or maybe 5. Problrm is: it will be all over by that time.
I do not run blindly throwing macrocosmos. As i said many times before: i play as intended role: a SUPPORT! I buff and heal my teammates. I even try to optimise my oh-so-usefull LB. But eventually i WILL use cosmos. And there is a good chance i will hit a samurai i didnt even know was there. And get 1 shot. SURPRISE! Astros cant shield. *deadge* What should i do then? leave my teammates to die? Remove one of not so many core skills from my hotbar? Accept my fate that if i use *insert skill name* i die?
PVP needs a complete rework.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

Also you can not 1 shot BH5 macrocosmos spaming premade astro with that combo reliably.

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Except you can ? Given the extremely higher of being hit by stray shots of damage/dots when engaging a fight, they aren't sitting at 100% health gracefully unless your alliance and the third alliance is afk accepting death. The only thing granting someone such immortality would be being pocketed by a PLD covering the AST specifically to pad Macrocosmos casts, similar to the PLD synergy with DNC players to cover them during their LB + Spin.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

Otherwise machinist would be a new meta.

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2x Machinists is something that already can be used against those players, so it wouldn't be new.

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Originally Posted by Lydia77

. SURPRISE! Astros cant shield. *deadge* What should i do then?

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Ah, but they can.
https://i.imgur.com/igO30Yy.png
The regular Aspected benefic grants a heal+regen effect, but when used as a Double Cast action, it instead gives you a heal+barrier.

And yeah, if you hit the Chiten barrier, you're at the samurai's mercy as to whether they have LB or not - this of course doesn't apply so heavily if the samurai in question is being dogpiled with damage in addition to unpurifiable CC from WHM,MNK,RPR etc.

The samurai's goal is to catch you out unaware, you get some options on how to approach them under the assumption that LB+Chiten is available:
1. Respect it and do nothing that could trigger the debuff.
2. Disrespect it and ignore it. (By use of Barriers)
3. Intentionally bait an LB use. (Only available to some classes)

While AST can't do the last option, it can still provide support while ignoring the samurai, the barrier can be used not only on themselves but can be given to others to potentially save them from a OHKO. I'd recommend tossing yourself 1 Double Cast shield if you were a bit wary about getting surprise clipped by a Chiten enjoyer, or more typically if you have already died once to that strategy in the current match.

While it's okay to want to be a full support, PvP has already shifted away from that style after Shb where healers were far more impactful in terms of support and enabling their team mates, and really drag out fights. Healers can only save their allies so much in terms of health, but of course Astro is really good at it due to the damage compiling functionality of Macrocosmos.

I play mostly machinist and definitely use my turret for both damage and providing a sheild buff not jut for me but to any of my Co-tanks heading into the fray. You don't put it at your feet but where you intend to take the fight. That being said, I'm sure a samurai has purposely nicked themselves on one to kill a machinist, but I'd be more impressed than angry.

I don't understand why you wouldn't (1) double benefic yourself if you're nervous about hitting a a SAM as an AST, admittedly not as easy to shield yourself as a SCH, but not hard, and want to hit macro when people are clumped up. You are supporting your team by hitting macro (at the optimal times) , it shouldn't be a case of "eventually" using it, it's one of your most important skills.

You guys are living in candyland.
Yes i forgot about the shield part (i play more than 4 jobs in pvp and when i heal as astro my job is to double spam heal to save someone's butt, as they cling to last 10% of their HP bar). I use heals for my teammates not to shield myself. I will use double heal to save my friend that to *overheal* myself in case there is a stray samurai is in the bunch.
But you can not play around samurai. In the current meta i play around DRK premade or no DRK premade. Period. If samurais were a meta - sure. we would adapt and play around it being 101% HP. But instead i see my party being pulled in and oneshot (or nearly 1 shot) byt the so skillfull premade. SO i use my so valuable followup heal to save those who i can before they get finished off. Why? dunno. After a couple of those combos, even on the third team which we cant control at all (do not tell me to ambush the premade while they are busy with other team. it works 1 time out of 50), i face up a BH5 party with triple the ammount of scores. So there are 2 coises: try to do stuff as a honorable jesture and loose anyway, only to be blamed to not overheal myself (yes i forgot about the shield) against a lonely samurai in 20 people mess, or go afk in the spawn like 4 or 5 of your teammates did from the get-go.
And today i tried samurai for the first time in a year+. melee atatcks are potent, shield pierce is nice, but they are all so SLOW. i cast the ability and enemy ninja with 5% HP sprints away while my teammates are picking their nose. And LB is a chep shot. I killed like 5 without trying too much simply by waiting for LB and pressing 2 buttons. They didnt even attack me. And they died 100 to 0 through BH4
P.S. i denied 2 ninja LBs BS today with a last second recuperate. Thats what EVERYONE can do.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

By all mean, I would be more happy with 5.1 version SAM, a generic limit break is far better than this gimmick Limit Break that all veterans knows how to avoid
You call 6.1 version SAM OP, but this is gimped version where their solo kill got stripped (Ninja too)
6.1 version SAM is a just a newbie killer or a counter to DRK Synergy when paired with a PLD (although people don't know how to utlize this)

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You do realize every melee, range (both phy and magical) had dmg LB. Tanks had DEFENSIVE lbs. And healaers had shocking healing LBs. This new era of pvp gives those jobs LBs that FIT their theme

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Originally Posted by Mercury_Grey

You do realize every melee, range (both phy and magical) had dmg LB. Tanks had DEFENSIVE lbs. And healaers had shocking healing LBs. This new era of pvp gives those jobs LBs that FIT their theme

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I do know that but Zantetsuken is pretty much the Iai in Kendo but they choose the worst form to present it.
Iai is supposed to be single target only
You also need to realize I find 6.1 version Samurai is just a laughing stock with this gimmick Zantetsuken as it is very easy to avoid and Samurai's sustain damage is at wet noodle level.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I do know that but Zantetsuken is pretty much the Iai in Kendo but they choose the worst form to present it.
Iai is supposed to be single target only
You also need to realize I find 6.1 version Samurai is just a laughing stock with this gimmick Zantetsuken as it is very easy to avoid and Samurai's sustain damage is at wet noodle level.

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I have been able to use their LB even in frontline to get some sneaky picks. They are what i beleive to be a slow burn damage. Its low damage but adding up they have ways to counter enemy guard. PLus they are the only pvp LB who max health damage which is kind of nice especially since every class has CC and can just constantly keep you down

I do feel bad for them sometimes though. Good SAMs don't do this but so many SAMs do. They'll run into your group and run around like "Hit me, hit me, hit me" Then you silence them and everyone just jumps them. New players are like "The heck? What was wrong with that guy?"