Unlock crafter & gatherer gear restrictions

It's about time to let us use those sets for other jobs and outfits. It's a bummer, they dish out so many new crafter/gatherer glams, but you can't really use them as they're locked to their specific class. Once you swap to another crafter, it's not gonna work. So why bother locking them?

Honestly this.
I legitimately didn't realise crafter artefact sets were a thinh until recently and I've yet to see them being worn out in the world.

The game so heavily encourages you to be an omnicrafter AND level them all at the same time. "Goldsmith identity" (or insert any job here) doesn't exist, if it ever did. Literally, when do you even equip these instead of the best crafted armor, which you make yourself anyway?

They should really open these sets up, at least to be used by all crafters/gatherers for glam.

Some gear for weaver and goldsmith are fire, why can't I use them on my battle jobs? lol

This should apply to ALL classes honestly. Take our NPCS for example. Many of them have pieces of gear that belong to these classes that are locked to us.

Stephanivien uses the Blacksmith Bandanna, just with the flames off and the Machnist Attire.

Hilda uses a crafting item as well for her job, don't remember which one it is exactly, and you see more on npcs here and there.

We have means of identifying who is what class. It would unlock a lot of glamour potential to let us use any item in the game!

It is essentially the exact same situation as with DoW/M AF gearsets, except DoW/M get a tiny infinitesimal use before you get the very first endgame dungeon set then they fade into obscurity. You can use the DoH/H AF sets if you don't want to craft/buy and pentameld the crafted gear, just no real reason to beyond that. I can't see SE throwing away the restrictions just for DoL/H AF sets on that difference though. Devs care too much about job/class identity to be that flexible with the system.

I am not sure that they care about class identity as much as they are using it as an excuse. Crafters all have the same exact skills and names, only different tools that they hold. Some people hide tools/weapons so they can run around and not care if they are identified as one specific class on sight. There's ways of identifying if you click and look at a person, or if they say something, maybe an icon appears in chat.

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Originally Posted by YunBranwen

I am not sure that they care about class identity as much as they are using it as an excuse. Crafters all have the same exact skills and names, only different tools that they hold. Some people hide tools/weapons so they can run around and not care if they are identified as one specific class on sight. There's ways of identifying if you click and look at a person, or if they say something, maybe an icon appears in chat.

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An excuse for what though? That they create AF gearsets every expansion for each job/class and lock those sets to the job/class they were designed around tells me they care, far far too much perhaps, about making those sets exclusive to the jobs they designed them for because of their notion of them exemplifying job identity.

I may not agree with the Devs but I don't believe they're making an excuse to cover anything up. They simply care too much about adherence to job identity when it comes to the AF sets instead of letting players actually enjoy them.

Already ongoing discussion in this thread.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...s-sets/page172

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Already ongoing discussion in this thread.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...s-sets/page172

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The day the NA forums consolidates similar things into similar threads will be a sight to behold.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

It's about time to let us use those sets for other jobs and outfits. It's a bummer, they dish out so many new crafter/gatherer glams, but you can't really use them as they're locked to their specific class. Once you swap to another crafter, it's not gonna work. So why bother locking them?

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Before the craft, the least motivated stopped at around level 30. And only the most motivated were doing it, and some were even making it their main activity with an SMN/SCH Job in hand, because they were too lazy to mount more jobs - the practical 2-in-1.

Today, for some time now, it's become so casualized and accessible to everyone. Unlocking Craft Expert books? it's a simple matter of returning collectibles: they xp up and give you enough money to buy your books.

Ditto for Harvesting: return collectibles to Solution Nine and you'll have enough to buy the Books for Legendary Harvesting.


Shouldn't it be even simpler? If you're lazy, go and buy from MarketBoard like everyone else. Crafting is already extremely accessible. If you're motivated, it takes 1 week at most, or 1 or 2 Craft jobs a day. And you benefit from not having to buy them. Since anything you don't buy for your stuff is also money earned.

So much so that prices are dropping almost day one, or should I say week one after patch release. Before Craft used to be reserved for the Elite, to the point where there were FCs that did nothing but craft. Nowadays, these FCs, which make hundreds of millions of gils a day, have disappeared. A blessing in disguise, it was a nuisance, but it existed.



Seriously...

Only if they unlock adventuring artifact gear so other adventurers and crafters and gatherers can use those looks on their classes.

"It would feel awkward say if a Chef cooked something wearing a blacksmith's apron."

https://media1.tenor.com/m/yfk7-vbRO...yeah-right.gif

Honestly, I just had an idea, I'm not even sure if technically it could work, but why not make it so putting stuff in the glamour dresser negates all restrictions, essentially turning all gear inside to function similarly to Lv1 unrestricted gear....It'd save space from accessories that have literally the same model but different roles.

As I said in the bigger thread
ALL gear should be universally glammable, YES including artifact gear of all shapes and sizes.
So what if the drachen set is distinguishable as a dragoon only? What if I just want to use the drachen greaves huh? Same for literally everything else
if you earned the gear, and have a job that can equip it, let us glam it to whatever we want
There hasn't been job distinction identity for years and years of crafted level 1 universal glam gear and swimsuits

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

As I said in the bigger thread
ALL gear should be universally glammable, YES including artifact gear of all shapes and sizes.
So what if the drachen set is distinguishable as a dragoon only? What if I just want to use the drachen greaves huh? Same for literally everything else
if you earned the gear, and have a job that can equip it, let us glam it to whatever we want
There hasn't been job distinction identity for years and years of crafted level 1 universal glam gear and swimsuits

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I don't think that's the problem they are referring to. I think it's not being able to glam each craft/gather to their corresponding AF gear?

They disallow this because its a time sink. A time sink for you is a profit for them. This gathering/crafting gear which is locked is endgame gear (or it used to be) so its implemented in a manner that takes forever for you to obtain and be happy with it. SE is now conflicted as one half of the forum rages about job identity while the other half of the community wants to be "cross dressers" and throw job identity out the window (appearance-wise). So, you see, they're damned if they do allow it, and damned if they don't. Now what? Since "does this immediately make me a profit?" is their motto....

The only reason I can really think of why this hasn't been done is simply condensed into the old style notion of "A Job's Identity."

"You're a chef? You should be wearing big hats and gloves and aprons then." "You're a Blacksmith/Armorer? You should be wearing big boots, big gloves, something that covers the eyes or whole head, and an apron." and so on and so forth.

The new Blacksmith exclusive top for example is just a simple chest wrap, but I am sure that A LOT of people would love to use it on combat jobs and other crafters. But we pretty much know it's forever gonna be a Blacksmith exclusive Top unless they magically release an all jobs version of it or finally decide to drop the whole "Job identity" mindset that has been dead for years at this point, and I doubt either will happen anytime soon.

I can understand WHY they keep doing the whole "job exclusive" sets, but it really is just not needed anymore.

I would be all for them locking the AF gear for each crafter/gatherer behind an expert recipe, give it 5 slots and make it unsellable.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Devs care too much about job/class identity to be that flexible with the system.

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Guess we have to point them out to all the Kappa, Mica, Chicken and Pig glamoured people. They're obviously playing the game wrong and destroying the job/class identities.

Job/Class identity is a moot point if you ask me.

They themselves have already thrown this out the window several times, and still continue to do such.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

An excuse for what though? That they create AF gearsets every expansion for each job/class and lock those sets to the job/class they were designed around tells me they care, far far too much perhaps, about making those sets exclusive to the jobs they designed them for because of their notion of them exemplifying job identity.

I may not agree with the Devs but I don't believe they're making an excuse to cover anything up. They simply care too much about adherence to job identity when it comes to the AF sets instead of letting players actually enjoy them.

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I guess the feeling varies from person to person.
There is always the crafted set, until the later seal gear upgrade, if folks want the omni set.

Personally, I'll always go with the omni set for crafters and gathers. With my crafters, I'll always glam on the Artisan's set, because I love the aesthetics. With my gatherers, I always glam on the lvl 50 AF, because I like it showcasing the job identity and I love the aesthetics.

Agreed. Glamour should be made unrestricted besides perhaps artifact sets for combat jobs.

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Originally Posted by 1313

They disallow this because its a time sink. A time sink for you is a profit for them. This gathering/crafting gear which is locked is endgame gear (or it used to be) so its implemented in a manner that takes forever for you to obtain and be happy with it. SE is now conflicted as one half of the forum rages about job identity while the other half of the community wants to be "cross dressers" and throw job identity out the window (appearance-wise). So, you see, they're damned if they do allow it, and damned if they don't. Now what? Since "does this immediately make me a profit?" is their motto....

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I feel like it being a timesink should be the number one reason to allow you to cross-glam it
If you've earned it, you should be able to wear it cosmetically
Reminder that SE has in the past released new gear sets that ae cosmetically the same as an old set, but the pieces have been rearranged to be given to other jobs. Hell, there are version of the sky rat and sky pirate gear that are level 1 crafted and considered universal glam

The biggest issue I have is that my gatherers and crafted share gear, but job locked glams just don’t work with shared gear. I use the firmament glam items for my gatherers, and if I swap between them outside of a sanctuary it makes me look silly.

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Originally Posted by flipwizardmagoo

The biggest issue I have is that my gatherers and crafted share gear, but job locked glams just don’t work with shared gear. I use the firmament glam items for my gatherers, and if I swap between them outside of a sanctuary it makes me look silly.

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Yep, having to go back to the city every time I change my gathering job drives me effin crazy, lol.

You know what I cannot get behind?
Why we even have different crafters and gatherers except for stretching the playtime.

Most people will end up as omi crafters/ gatherers anyway. Why not consolidate them into a single DoH / DoF with an omnitool with which we can craft anything recipe without the need to switch jobs in between crafts.

Unlock the restrictions of the gear so that we can go with a preferred aesthetic and I'll be happy.