What the heck, Square Enix? This is a serious flaw! I did a lot of work, was refused invitation to the party, and I got nothing for it! Not even a teleport back to camp!Quote:
Originally Posted by NOC_JP
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[dev1456] Caravan Escort
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08-02-2012, 07:29 AMSoulfire[dev1456] Caravan Escort
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08-02-2012, 07:31 AMRau
dat resolution~
but seriously, what do you actually have to do to get points? is it based on how much damage you deal? -
08-02-2012, 07:42 AMHirukeOh, my. I've actually been wondering how this works, since the wording was a little silly (sometimes they really just have no idea how to explain something properly... like what they said about stats from character and gear being 1:1 in 2.0 - they aren't now? can you please English this better?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulfire
That said, if this is accurate, that's just about the worst possible "fix" for the problems surrounding caravan. If you want to force players to make a PT, use some kind of auto-party feature, where everyone involved in the caravan is forced into the same PT automatically. If no one seriously thought of the possibility that you could grief players by not inviting them, I really worry about the future of this game.
You know what else would have worked? Doing a demi-instance thing like you have for LQs. Just let folks do caravans whenever, with their PT they pre-formed*. Throw a cooldown on it if you want, whatever. But please, can we abandon the digital scarcity nonsense? We don't limit, say, Dzemael Darkhold to only 24 people in the whole world being able to do it at any given time, so why do we do that with caravan?
*This, by itself, would have fixed everything without needing any further changes. But now, instead of dealing with people who ninja into the caravan by clicking faster (and maybe they help, maybe they don't), you get to deal with people not inviting you because they're jerks, so you are essentially wasting your time every single time you caravan and someone decides you aren't cool enough to be in the PT. -
08-02-2012, 10:06 AMDeceptistarthis is like seed for bullying/harassment/being a douche >.>Quote:
players are required to form a party with fellow participants
in other words you can make pple loose points just for breathing wrong. -
08-02-2012, 12:22 PMInaaca
What if there are two different parties? What happens then?
And if you're by yourself and other people don't want to invite you then what? You aren't allowed to participate? -
08-02-2012, 05:14 PMPunainen
Dumb restrictions are dumb. Either it should auto-party you up with anyone who is doing it, or it should not work this way. Can you imagine? You get to the end of caravan, and jerk-leader ousts you from the party... Don't think it wont happen anymore than the above example. Some people like to piss people off when given opportunities like this.
And since I know you CAN attack mobs and heal the chocos without being in a pt, WHY the arbitrary rule?? -
08-02-2012, 05:19 PMAsiaine
Record their behaviour in video.
Post the video on YouTube.
Post a link to the video on the LodeStone (ideally in the World specific forum).
Do not add any commentary.
Let everyone see the behaviour of these individuals. -
08-02-2012, 05:22 PMNuru
If people are registered in the event, they should receive credit for participating. End of story. :P
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08-02-2012, 05:32 PMAsiaineThat is how it was. People wanted it changed. The concern was that someone would register for the event, but not partake in it, and then get credit. Not everyone thinks this is good behaviour. And technically, you are being 'paid' for escorting the Caravan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuru
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08-02-2012, 05:58 PMEmSixThe system that removes your rewards for not participating enough does that fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asiaine
Forcing you to be in a party for credit is just open for abuse. -
08-02-2012, 08:57 PMValmonte
Sorta like how they allowed the event ash to be sellable....doesn't take much foresight to know the macro whores are gonna be all over that ONE bombard to sell that ash for 4k a pop.
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08-03-2012, 03:05 AMSoulfireI intentionally blacked out the leader's name to avoid smearing reputation--not because defamation is a breech of the rules, but because that's how I like to conduct myself. I feel I haven't quite attained perfection in this respect, but ruining someone's name and gameplay experience over misunderstandings or simple bad days is not okay by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asiaine
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09-07-2012, 03:25 PMSoulfireAre you going to do something about this, Square Enix?Quote:
Originally Posted by EmSix
I just got in a caravan run and the party openly refused to invite me and another player.
The only option at that point is to hold up the caravan, but even doing that we were still being refused.
FIX THIS, SQUARE! The party requirement needs to go! -
09-07-2012, 05:47 PMShougun
I'm pretty sure its based on the amount of numbers generated - healing to those active in hurting the monsters works too I believe - being in a party gets you a lot bigger of a number.
I have to say they need to fix this as well. Its really annoying to make a party in Uldah 8/8 and then have some solo person force their way into your party - if you want caravan go to uldah. Without it being a train wreck you must have a party anyways (40+ caravan), so coming without one is silly... That being said its possible to join alone so the problem isnt really fault of the party or single person but of SE's who made colliding systems.
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For caravan you dont need a party to join, but to have a good chance of getting points you must be in the party..
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Best solution is to remove player count requirement, party count requirement (1 party, 2 party, 0 party) and make the content scale instead - then no matter the situation the content can be enjoyed by as many in any formation.