Please do not keep hamlet even remotely close to how intensely boring it is now or at least make it so that there is 100% seal drop rate upon success so people don't have to lose their mind to get a Relic.
Side note: to those who may comment "Relic isn't for everyone" I understand this, but there is no reason a video game made for entertainment should be intensely boring and make you clock in over 300 hours doing the same exact thing just so you can do slightly more damage in a video game.
That being said I have no interest in Relics in 1.0 and if they keep it how it is then I will not be interested in Relics in 2.0.
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08-02-2012, 02:26 AMAmyNeudaizto the DEV Team
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08-02-2012, 02:28 AMRokienWell, shoot, if they would have listened to me before it was released, it would have been 100xs better.Quote:
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08-02-2012, 02:39 AMyukikaze_yanagiAnd that's the problem why everyone hates you, and you still forget 40 person limit in current clientQuote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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08-02-2012, 02:41 AMRokienWhat are you even trying to say?Quote:
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08-02-2012, 02:45 AMTimonLoon
I always pictured Hamlet as public content that is done in the open world and anyone can join. Kinda like Campaign/Besieged in FFXI... But then I remember that you can't see more than 20-40 characters on screen at the same time and I understand why they did what they did with Hamlet.
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08-02-2012, 02:46 AMRokienThat never stopped ffxi, look at besieged lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TimonLoon
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08-02-2012, 02:47 AMyukikaze_yanagiQuote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
I'm speaking of this. The current client can't handle more than 40 people on screen at the same time, so for gods sake no, you could'nt have a campagn-like event. How you're supposed to manage an open world hamlet with 100+ people at the same time, when you can just see 40, can you explain me ?Quote:
and you still forget 40 person limit in current client
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08-02-2012, 02:48 AMArcell
They had an idea for hamlet and implemented as they saw fit, limitations or not. Whether or not it changes is entirely up to them and honestly I really don't see it changing much, especially with how it's tied in with relics. I mean if it's totally open world then how do you decide who gets how many points and what chests? If it's everyone working for the rewards of all participants then you see something like Caravan or the Moonfire Faire event where you see a ton of leechers.
Furthermore how do you even balance something that's entirely open world? Even if it scales to the amount of participants, you still have the issue of leechers making the fight needlessly difficult by simply being there. -
08-02-2012, 02:48 AMRokienWelp, I would rather have that then the crap we have now.Quote:
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08-02-2012, 02:49 AMPyretta_Blaze
Or at least spice it up with some random NM's or something that keeps us on our toes.
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08-02-2012, 02:49 AMRokienIt would just be like anything else, first people who sign up gets to participate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
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08-02-2012, 02:49 AMLyndis
I don't think hamlet defense needs to improve its drop rates. Relics are something that are supposed to make you lose your mind, so that shouldn't be changed (unlike some other drop rates in this game...).
But I still am disapointed hamlet wasn't like what Rokien says, an open world drop in drop out content. This game severely lacks open world content. Something akin to campaign would've been perfect. I understand this system's character limitations, but there were plenty of limitations on FFXI's system as well and that never stopped it from daring to do something crazy and different. I've also participated in some of the garlean events that constantly spawn a huge number of garleans and at one point there were around 2o-4o people doing this content at a time. It was too bad that I couldn't see what was going on ten feet away from my character but it still felt like a large intense battle. I was surrounded by allies and enemies and everywhere I went I found more. Instead, for hamlet we're stuck with the same 8 people party formula trying to get drops like every other content.
Also the OP is suggesting we change this for A realm reborn which won't have such limitations, so no reason not to support this on basis of a poor engine. -
08-02-2012, 02:49 AMyukikaze_yanagiGl getting a relic then, since you would seen 40 people and no mob to kill. This isn't besieged, and totally don't have the same purposeQuote:
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08-02-2012, 02:50 AMArkine
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08-02-2012, 02:51 AMArcellSo then make it like Behests where you can get screwed out of participation via lag? I mean it would be way worse than behest in that you have the ENTIRE server trying to participate in the same event at the same time. There's only one active hamlet defense at any given time. It's a horrible idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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08-02-2012, 02:52 AMRokienGood thing 2.0 isn't 1.x ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi
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08-02-2012, 02:53 AMRokiengood thing 2.0 isn't 1.x ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
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08-02-2012, 02:54 AMArcellYou don't know that it will be different. 2.0 cannot eliminate all lag all players experience. If you have to sign up to participate in an event with a set cap that the entire server is trying to do, it's not going to happen. You're excluding too many people. This would make relics even more impossible to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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08-02-2012, 02:54 AMyukikaze_yanagiGood thing you break everyone's mind with open world content in 1.x too, despite we have the same limits as before. If you plan to change hamlets in that way in 2.0 you're free to do it, but since you started talking of this version...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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08-02-2012, 02:55 AMRokienyou guys are seriously idkQuote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
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08-02-2012, 02:56 AMArcellThat's clearly the extent of your discussion abilities. Well, I'm done here. I made my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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08-02-2012, 02:57 AMRokiengood I win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
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08-02-2012, 02:57 AMyukikaze_yanagiAnd the crow said black to the raven...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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08-02-2012, 02:58 AMAmyNeudaiz
I am not advocating for open world hamlet. In my opinion something like that you would see lots of leechers and if they make things so leechers get nothing then you'd have the current issue that is plaguing Caravans.
What I am saying is either they make it entertaining but if they can't make it entertaining then don't make us do it for 300+ hours. -
08-02-2012, 03:00 AMAmyNeudaizNot even impossible, just down right irritating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
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08-02-2012, 03:01 AMyukikaze_yanagiYep, let's return on-topic before i report it :|| i agree, hamlet, expecially with statics, are dead-boring. Since isn't easy or pratical getting 1° provisioner every time, something need to be done while farming 9 seals for 8 people eachQuote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
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08-02-2012, 03:01 AMLeo_Hart
most Japanese already pass Hamlet Defense, we still QQ @ Hamlet Defense, just make me lol
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08-02-2012, 03:02 AMDhalmel
So I'm the only one who's bother to block Rokien's posts or what? Pay no attention to him and might hopefully go away and die from troll starvation.
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08-02-2012, 03:22 AMAmyNeudaizThis post is just pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leo_Hart
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08-02-2012, 03:39 AMMijin
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08-02-2012, 03:43 AMTimonLoonFFXI is a 10 year old game running on outdated equipment even back then... those flaws are overlooked. In a game that came out in 2010 and will be relaunched in 2013... there are no excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien