Housing and FPS drops (Verdant Partition?)

I've noticed that any house that has verdant partitions seems to experience SIGNIFICANT FPS drops. I'm talking like between 15 to up to 40 FPS drops in houses that use as few as 4 verdant partitions.

Anyone know what's causing this? Houses that have like no verdant partitions seem to give me a consistent 90+ FPS, regardless of how densely packed the furniture are. I imagine it has something to do with the new lighting that seems to be struggling to make sense of verdant partitions.

I even tried to drop the texture resolution to normal and got 0 FPS increase, so something wonky seems to be going on. So many houses just seem inaccessible due to low FPS, and I dread to think how bad it is for people who don't have at least a 4070 or equivalent GPU

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Originally Posted by Miradelle

I've noticed that any house that has verdant partitions seems to experience SIGNIFICANT FPS drops. I'm talking like between 15 to up to 40 FPS drops in houses that use as few as 4 verdant partitions.

Anyone know what's causing this? Houses that have like no verdant partitions seem to give me a consistent 90+ FPS, regardless of how densely packed the furniture are. I imagine it has something to do with the new lighting that seems to be struggling to make sense of verdant partitions.

I even tried to drop the texture resolution to normal and got 0 FPS increase, so something wonky seems to be going on. So many houses just seem inaccessible due to low FPS, and I dread to think how bad it is for people who don't have at least a 4070 or equivalent GPU

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Personally haven't noticed and I have a house with quite a few in them. Is it just verdants or are the houses also using any water-based furnitures? I used to struggle with people using a lot of waterfalls, for example.

Had the same problem in our FC house. My pc just starts to make more noise, while my friend complained that her fps dropped a lot when turning camera. Removing like 6 verdant partition walls helped. And placing them all together in fron of her camera dropped fps again. Idk maybe its the praticle density on this one.

There's also generally water-based furniture, too. It could be a combination of the two, with the waterfall partition's lighting effect causing something weird to happen with the verdant partitions? It's a very intense FPS drop that shouldn't be happening.

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Originally Posted by Miradelle

There's also generally water-based furniture, too. It could be a combination of the two, with the waterfall partition's lighting effect causing something weird to happen with the verdant partitions? It's a very intense FPS drop that shouldn't be happening.

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My friend had spikes happen with the Imitation Stained Crystal Ornament inside of a few of my houses when they got close.

I havn't noticed it excessively, and I use a lot of them.

Looking at a room full of them I am 135fps. If I go outside I am 147fps. If I look at the grass outside from overhead so nothing else is on my screen I am 181fps. But there are a LOT of tris in that room.

A proper test would be one in an empty apartment room, before and after.

Edit to add a photo showing it's pretty complex with water and various lights
https://i.gyazo.com/d3d4d4dfb6284730...d4405d0aa3.jpg

(I will make comment that it does have a complex LOD shadow, and those are newly done in this render pipeline, and that testing with your shadows turned off or low resolution may help users with less powerful video cards, but for gaming rigs, they seem fine with everything up at ultra)

Previous FC lead used a TON of verdant partitions and fountains in our large house and I had to rip them all out post-7.0 because I was dropping to like 10fps. It helped, but my framerate still tanks inside the house. Nothing else in the game causes such a dramatic performance hit for me so I have no clue what's going on with housing.

Editing to add specs:
MSI GF65
Intel Core i5-10500H
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050
16gb RAM
256GB NVMe SSD
Windows 11

I haven't noticed anything like this. My FC room has seven verdant partitions and just as many waterfall partitions and it does nothing to my FPS. In my small house I have a section that has a lot of foliage from various sources that I lose several frames moving around in it, but standing still I lose maybe a frame. I expect it's because of all the shadows.

Oh. I may need to check, my FC room has 30+ Indoor Waterfall and around 5-6 Verdant Partition. I made a cave. So now I def need to see what's up.

I think it'd be nice if people added their specs to this, it'd be interesting to see and if there's an issue maybe a bug report can be made with information gathered about performance issues maybe?

I have the same problem since Dawntrail launch with the graphics update, FPS in my house has been all over the place. From constant 75+ fps it went down to 45-50 fps average (40 fps was the lowest I think), and it's even worse for some of my friends with worse PCs. I think it has to do with dynamic shadows that appear in houses now, but I'm not entirely sure, either way it's very frusturating cause I can't really redecorate my house without them (I use 33 for my mansion). I checked my FPS with and without the verdant partitions and here are the results (I can't really take screenshots on every place with verdant partitions but this is in the main hall with big FPS issues).

With:
https://imgur.com/PC6NkTN

Without:
https://imgur.com/Z83xG7G

I also noticed having a lot more FPS if brightness inside the house was set to 0 from the Adjust Lighting settings, both with and without verdant partitions, which makes me think it's an issue with the shadows again.

With:
https://imgur.com/P5dIfSg

Without:
https://imgur.com/wyP5Ykt

My specs for reference are:
Windows 10, 16GB RAM,
GPU: RX 6600
CPU: i3 12100

Return of the 1.0 Potted Plants? lol

Interestingly, I do not have the issue on my main gaming PC (Core i7-12700KF, 64GB RAM, GeForce 3080 Ti, Windows 11), though I do have weird sporadic DirectX crashes. However, my gamedev work-while-traveling laptop (Core i9-13900H, 64GB RAM, GeForce 4070, Windows 10) does experience a framerate drop specifically with certain lighting and the verdant partitions, but does not have the sporadic DirectX crashes.

I am moderately curious what would happen if I upgraded the laptop to Windows 11, but only moderately; I'm not sure my curiosity is sufficient to suffer the indignity of Windows 11 on both computers...

I'm on PS5 and was just working on an apt design involving indoor waterfall and verdant partition. FPS is not affected for me.

They seriously need to address some issues when it comes to both occlusion culling and LoD.

I should not be getting lagged out by scenery/objects I'm not even able to perceive due to it being behind a wall or so far away that the texture detail/shadows are nigh impossible to make out.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

I think it'd be nice if people added their specs to this

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You are right. It might expose a pattern.

And I just brought up my Mac's game to look at that. M1 mini with only 8GB on Sonoma. No matter what options I chose under shadows LOD or resolution, I couldn't move from 18fps. Indoors or outdoors, However, that is with Wine there, using Apple's on-chip video. To me, that the tiny device just chewed through without blinking (albeit slow).

The Windows machine is pretty big and is jumping around, but not much can phase it and it's rarely under 100fps, so not a great tester for render pipeline performance issues. 4090/12900K/96GB/NVME/Win11 (zero overclocking).

The other setting that could be interesting to report is full screen, windowed, or borderless. My windows machine is borderless onto a 5K monitor.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

I think it'd be nice if people added their specs to this, it'd be interesting to see and if there's an issue maybe a bug report can be made with information gathered about performance issues maybe?

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Good idea, these are my laptop specs:

MSI GF65
Intel Core i5-10500H
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050
16gb RAM
256GB NVMe SSD
Windows 11

Housing is the ONLY thing that causes significant frame drops for me.
Edit: I also usually run borderless windowed.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

You are right. It might expose a pattern.

And I just brought up my Mac's game to look at that. M1 mini with only 8GB on Sonoma. No matter what options I chose under shadows LOD or resolution, I couldn't move from 18fps. Indoors or outdoors, However, that is with Wine there, using Apple's on-chip video. To me, that the tiny device just chewed through without blinking (albeit slow).

The Windows machine is pretty big and is jumping around, but not much can phase it and it's rarely under 100fps, so not a great tester for render pipeline performance issues. 4090/12900K/96GB/NVME/Win11 (zero overclocking).

The other setting that could be interesting to report is full screen, windowed, or borderless. My windows machine is borderless onto a 5K monitor.

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Your rig is pretty high end, that's why I thought it's better if people mention their specs since if someone has a great rig, they might just weather/not notice any issues.

Honestly I'd like to visit someone's house who is having these issues to test it myself, not sure if someone is comfy with that.
If I unlock my FPS it's usually 80ish, previously 130ish before the update. However my framerate drops to 30 in alliance raids and at times I get stutters during some raidwides.
I am not sure if I should report this.

My house has no verdant partitions yet when I enter it I can hear the fans picking up. Since the graphical upgrade I've noticed this 'I'm about to take off' sound at times. My FPS unlocked remains around 80 unlocked and 60 locked.

Specs
2080TI | i9-9900K | 32.0 GB RAM | No SSD | WIN10
Borderless Windowed.