Put Crystal Tower in MSQ Roulette

I want to see real alliance raids in a-raid roulette!

Good thing there are no non-alliance raids in alliance roulette raid then.

Wait there's AR's other than Labyrinth of the Ancients, Crystal tower and World of Darkness? Since when?

Sadly i dont see adding it to MSQ as a solution.
What i do think needs to happen is dungeon roulette, High level and AR's being split up.

Endgame Dungeon roulette: The past 3 expansions post MSQ. (DT, EW, ShB)
High level Dungeons: Every post MSQ dungeon from other expansions than above, each new Expansion the lowest level above is added.
MSQ Roulette: Unchanged
High Level Trials: Last 3 expansions
Low level Trials: All older expansions
Leveling Roulette: Last 3 expansions.
Low dungeon Roulette: All older expansions.
Normal raids High level.
Normal Raids low level
AR Roulette ARR.
Low level AR Roulette: HW, SB
High level AR Roulette: ShB, EW, DT

The rewards for each roulette would be the same as the existing but low level ones would have a small boost to encourage high level players to run the mind numbing content they have been forced run over and over for the past 10 years because there seems to always be more new players than people at end game like they are reaching the end of the free trial then starting over instead of subbing and continuing.

CT are the only alliances required for the MSQ so they are still the most common
what I think they should do however is just like other roulettes, don't allow you to queue for alliance until you have all the alliance raids unlocked for your level
So level 60+, you need to unlock all void ark alliances, 70+ is all ivalice, etc.

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Originally Posted by wildvenonat

I want to see real alliance raids in a-raid roulette!

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In fact all other raids should be deleted and Alliance Raid needs to be re-named to "Crystal Tower Daily".

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Originally Posted by Sililos

Wait there's AR's other than Labyrinth of the Ancients, Crystal tower and World of Darkness? Since when?

Sadly i dont see adding it to MSQ as a solution.
What i do think needs to happen is dungeon roulette, High level and AR's being split up.

Endgame Dungeon roulette: The past 3 expansions post MSQ. (DT, EW, ShB)
High level Dungeons: Every post MSQ dungeon from other expansions than above, each new Expansion the lowest level above is added.
MSQ Roulette: Unchanged
High Level Trials: Last 3 expansions
Low level Trials: All older expansions
Leveling Roulette: Last 3 expansions.
Low dungeon Roulette: All older expansions.
Normal raids High level.
Normal Raids low level
AR Roulette ARR.
Low level AR Roulette: HW, SB
High level AR Roulette: ShB, EW, DT

The rewards for each roulette would be the same as the existing but low level ones would have a small boost to encourage high level players to run the mind numbing content they have been forced run over and over for the past 10 years because there seems to always be more new players than people at end game like they are reaching the end of the free trial then starting over instead of subbing and continuing.

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That would defeat the primary purpose of roulettes which are to fill duties that need filling. It would just create longer queues for a lot of things by splitting the player base even more.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

That would defeat the primary purpose of roulettes which are to fill duties that need filling. It would just create longer queues for a lot of things by splitting the player base even more.

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Its far better than people not running to begin with because they are so sick and tired of low level content (like myself).
Variety is always better than 10 years of Crystal Tower raids.
Even before it was added to MSQ, Glue eaters would/still do cheese roulette because CT stuff is so easy, punishing everyone else for their laziness.

As mentioned, Low level roulettes in my idea have higher rewards to encourage people who are sick of them to run them.

Imagine having to wait for like 3-4hr to continue your MSQ! x.x

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Originally Posted by Zeastria

Imagine having to wait for like 3-4hr to continue your MSQ! x.x

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How would putting it into msq roulette do this, exactly?

I would go a step further.

Just make all Raids mandatory for MSQ progression.

Most of them enrich the lore and things like „the twelve“ or „Eden“ are more or less continuations of the MSQ.

The writers would also have more things to pick from in the future and this whole debate would be over.

I am also tired of getting Labyrinth almost every day even when there are no new players in the party.

It’s a bad system and it’s boring.

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

CT are the only alliances required for the MSQ so they are still the most common

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Since DT looks like the only AR I can join with AR Roulette are the Nier ones xD

I would be inclined to agree with putting it in the main scenario roulette, but honestly... Crystal Tower in general would still need reworking anyway, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I would be inclined to agree with putting it in the main scenario roulette, but honestly... Crystal Tower in general would still need reworking anyway, IMO.

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It definitely would. Both of the Atomos fights are some of the least interesting fights in the game, and the series is full of fights that have mechanics where the mechanics are all bad. I think however reworking it to be three sets of 4 and putting it in MSQ roulette so that people can't pull before cutscenes finish would give it more room to be spectacle without the sheer stupidity of the current raids, and also add much needed variety to both msq roulette and alliance raid roulette.

I don't think it's technically feasible since the roulettes try to fill based on party requirements. 4 people queued up for MSQ roulette will probably never fill a 24 person alliance raid.

I suppose they could rework CT so it's balanced around a light party but I think that'd be a lot more work than if they just made all alliance raids mandatory for expansion completion.

Please god i stopped queueing ar roulette because this raid is the most boring thing in the entire game, send it to the shadow realm of msq roulette for people who want netflix content

I'd just be happy to get something that's not Aglaia or Thaleia more than once in a blue moon.

There's no 'q' in Duty Roulette: Main Scenario.

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Originally Posted by CamuiKushi

I don't think it's technically feasible since the roulettes try to fill based on party requirements. 4 people queued up for MSQ roulette will probably never fill a 24 person alliance raid.

I suppose they could rework CT so it's balanced around a light party but I think that'd be a lot more work than if they just made all alliance raids mandatory for expansion completion.

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Crystal Tower dreadfully needs a rework regardless, and the Mhach, Ivalice, and Nier raids have no real relationship to msq so there's not much point making them mandatory. The normal raids and trial series would be nice mandatory, but most of the alliance raids are irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by wildvenonat

Crystal Tower dreadfully needs a rework regardless, and the Mhach, Ivalice, and Nier raids have no real relationship to msq so there's not much point making them mandatory. The normal raids and trial series would be nice mandatory, but most of the alliance raids are irrelevant.

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You're right, ofc. The best solution is to just make CT fun enough that people don't groan when they get it.

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Originally Posted by wildvenonat

I want to see real alliance raids in a-raid roulette!

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It would be nice to see CLL, DR, and Dal in the roulette. :p

increase the difficulty for the Crystal Tower and Mhach Raids instead, that will keep you busy, can assure you that... alone by making the synch going much closer to what ilevel they are, would do a heck of a difference when suddenly seeing mechanics not seen since HW.

I'm good. I enjoy getting my MSQ roulette rewards and getting my a-raid roulette rewards for a quick 15~20 min CT run.

I get what I want, and new players get their help with progression. Win, win.

Wait was it always part of the MSQ? Because I'm pretty sure I have an alt that's up to Stormblood that doesn't have one raid unlocked.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Wait was it always part of the MSQ? Because I'm pretty sure I have an alt that's up to Stormblood that doesn't have one raid unlocked.

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It wasn't until after Shadowbringers. Then it became mandatory to complete.

The first raid for each expansion (unless inaccessible from MSQ progress) should probably be mandatory to enter the AR roulette.

If the first one doesn't capture you, you're allowed to leave, but you can't have only CT and drag 23 other people through Sycrus Tower again.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Crystal Tower (as a requirement for MSQ) eventually went the way of Cape Westwind and was either Trust-ified or turned into some kind of solo endeavor. AFAIK it remains the only non-end of expansion duty that hasn't been fit onto the Trust singleplayer railroad.

All of the bosses are stupid easy, doable completely blind with little resistance other than the few OHKO mechanics, and one of the bosses doesn't even work properly. Honestly, if I never had to run it again, I wouldn't be upset at this point.

I would be fine with this mostly because it would give you a few more things you can get in MSQ roulette.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I would go a step further.

Just make all Raids mandatory for MSQ progression.

Most of them enrich the lore and things like „the twelve“ or „Eden“ are more or less continuations of the MSQ.

The writers would also have more things to pick from in the future and this whole debate would be over.

I am also tired of getting Labyrinth almost every day even when there are no new players in the party.

It’s a bad system and it’s boring.

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I said this back when the ilvl changes happened I predicted that it would be better for a bit but ultimately drift back to ct simply cause you can force ct still by not unlocking the rest.

For expert roullettes it blocks you if you don't have the blue quest duties unlocked, for alliance raids it really should be the same.

I totally agree it should be msq progress related, got to heavenswards patches and unlocked the ability to do the heavensward one lock the roulette till you have unlocked all heavensward ones.