Data Center Travel Problems

I think there needs to be an issue that is addressed. SE has put in place restrictions on Data Center Travel and its causing problems with people who want to play with others on other data centers. I understand its to help spread out the players from flooding certain data centers (like aether for raiding). I hope SE reads this and seriously considers removing this restriction. I tried to go to Mateus to visit friends in an old FC and check out thier FC house but couldn't connect to the data center due to congestion.

It's honestly such a huge issue. It's killed any interest I had in doing EXs and raiding savage this tier because I can't raid with my old raid group (they're on Aether and I'm on Crystal).

It gets worse - Just got off the phone with Customer Support regarding my RL wife transferring to Dynamis under the idea that the FC house we have would be relocatable along with a Rank 29 FC with all the buffs and being held hostage AND taking our money to boot saying she might very well be unable to make a new character or transfer back to Siren because of their "congestion" which as I was logging onto Siren was at 8 people in front of me and major capital cities inundated with wanderers and travelers..


I'm calling bull and have no intention of "wiping the slate clean" and walking away from an FC that's been active since 2013...


You need to do better SE...

Its a sad state the game is in and SE added this in Dawntrail when cross data center travel has been a thing for quite some time. Why have a feature in a game that you can't use. Tell everyone about this post and hope it can gain enough traction to cause beneficial change to the game.

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Originally Posted by Rahye

I hope SE reads this and seriously considers removing this restriction.

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Then we'd be right back to every DC but one in each region being dead, which is worse. If the community could control themselves and not pile on one DC these restrictions wouldn't be necessary, but clearly they can't, so here we are.

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Originally Posted by Bladesinger

their "congestion" which as I was logging onto Siren was at 8 people in front of me and major capital cities inundated with wanderers and travelers..

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Originally Posted by Rahye

I understand its to help spread out the players from flooding certain data centers (like aether for raiding). I hope SE reads this and seriously considers removing this restriction. I tried to go to Mateus to visit friends in an old FC and check out thier FC house but couldn't connect to the data center due to congestion.

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Few things I'ma try to summarize:
1) Login congestion is different than server congestion. How many players are logging in is different than how many players are already logged in or how many characters are already created on that world and semi-active.

2) Feedback that is "I don't like this feature doing what it was intended to do" is not helpful to developers. You not visiting/interacting with people on other Data Centers unrestricted is the intended goal. That is the equivalent of someone punching you, and you tell them that it hurts and they need to not do that. That was the goal. That is why they punched you to begin with. Hell, that motivates them to do it again. There's no obliviousness that punching leads to hurting you, there's no obliviousness that shutting down travel leads to social and raiding restrictions. These are not unintended consequences.

3) What you should be saying is "This is the goal you had, this method of achieving it has these negative side effects, here's this other idea that achieves the same end goal without those negative side effects." However, half the forums seem to have not kept up with lodestone messages and interviews regarding this subject.

- Cross-DC Duty Finder is not a realistic option. They already said this is 3 years of full force development time if it's even possible. They do not want to take this route because it is not a good business decision. Those resources could be spent on other things and should it fail or have unintended negative consequences, could become years of wasted development time. And they/we do not want 5-6 years of messed up population discrepencies, a solution needed to be soon.

- Incentives to play on other Data Centers are not a realistic option. They do not want to shift where the majority of players are playing to one location. Trying to find incentives that drastically create population differences that you can't strip away from people later, that don't break the game, and can be applied to multiple data centers is a headache if not impossible as opposed to just forcing people where you need them to be.

They already stated they've already discussed these internally and pitched around ideas and none of them they liked. So unless people find an alternative that the devs couldn't, that is viable for them as a business, we are not getting reversal changes.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Then we'd be right back to every DC but one in each region being dead, which is worse. If the community could control themselves and not pile on one DC these restrictions wouldn't be necessary, but clearly they can't, so here we are.

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so all other communities should be torn apart and friendships/relationships dissolve so that a small number of people can be happy...well guess what, when we're all gone because of this shit, you'll have nobody to raid with on any data center, consider that.

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Originally Posted by 1313

so that a small number of people can be happy

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75% of the NA Region is a small number of people. If that isn't bait, holy

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

75% of the NA Region is a small number of people. If that isn't bait, holy

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if you think 75% of na is happy with the current state of things you're dead wrong

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Originally Posted by 1313

so all other communities should be torn apart and friendships/relationships dissolve so that a small number of people can be happy...well guess what, when we're all gone because of this shit, you'll have nobody to raid with on any data center, consider that.

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I hate to break it to you but you are in the small number of people. The entire rest of the game's population that were playing on dead DCs are the majority. That is why this change happened, both scenarios are damaging but one is less damaging to the game overall than the other. Before this change Primal was totally dead, now there are regularly 60-100+ high end duties on PF. Seems like we'll be just fine without you, chief.

Reminder to Players.
It's a Privilege we are gladly using, when we travel.
(Since Server Meshing doesn't exist as a MMO Standard. Let alone adapted for a Decade Running MMO, based off of a "1.0")

We Aren't Entitled To Play with Specific Players who exist in other DCs. We aren't Entitled to Interact with Communities in other DCs.

The DC/Worlds/Homeworlds you exist in, is YOUR LOCATION AND COMMUNITY.

If you cannot exist and take/give benefit of it.

Why should you exist in it, and then leave.

The Devs had a plan, any other Unintended benefit you take, isn't Entitled or given to you.

You Took them.

Don't get yourself confused.

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You can be Unhappy, but you cannot demand to have a situation that wasn't intended. Or even Labeled as a Standard Feature.

All that you can do, is hope they resolve things.

Or actually settle in and build/improve your own community.

Which is in your Homeworld, which is able to interact with its sister worlds. Within Your DC.

You Chose your Location, Live In It.

We All Knew The Expectations, and this was obvious in its approach.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Reminder to Players.
It's a Privilege we are gladly using, when we travel.
(Since Server Meshing doesn't exist as a MMO Standard. Let alone adapted for a Decade Running MMO, based off of a "1.0")

We Aren't Entitled To Play with Specific Players who exist in other DCs. We aren't Entitled to Interact with Communities in other DCs.

The DC/Worlds/Homeworlds you exist in, is YOUR LOCATION AND COMMUNITY.

If you cannot exist and take/give benefit of it.

Why should you exist in it, and then leave.

The Devs had a plan, any other Unintended benefit you take, isn't Entitled or given to you.

You Took them.

Don't get yourself confused.

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You can be Unhappy, but you cannot demand to have a situation that wasn't intended. Or even Labeled as a Standard Feature.

All that you can do, is hope they resolve things.

Or actually settle in and build/improve your own community.

Which is in your Homeworld, which is able to interact with its sister worlds. Within Your DC.

You Chose your Location, Live In It.

We All Knew The Expectations, and this was obvious in its approach.

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Been trying to hammer this home on a few other threads but nope...skulls are too thick.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Reminder to Players.
It's a Privilege we are gladly using, when we travel.
(Since Server Meshing doesn't exist as a MMO Standard. Let alone adapted for a Decade Running MMO, based off of a "1.0")

We Aren't Entitled To Play with Specific Players who exist in other DCs. We aren't Entitled to Interact with Communities in other DCs.

The DC/Worlds/Homeworlds you exist in, is YOUR LOCATION AND COMMUNITY.

If you cannot exist and take/give benefit of it.

Why should you exist in it, and then leave.

The Devs had a plan, any other Unintended benefit you take, isn't Entitled or given to you.

You Took them.

Don't get yourself confused.

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You can be Unhappy, but you cannot demand to have a situation that wasn't intended. Or even Labeled as a Standard Feature.

All that you can do, is hope they resolve things.

Or actually settle in and build/improve your own community.

Which is in your Homeworld, which is able to interact with its sister worlds. Within Your DC.

You Chose your Location, Live In It.

We All Knew The Expectations, and this was obvious in its approach.

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"Server meshing isn't a standard"

When I play WoW and want to play with off-realm friends in that game, you know what I do? I just invite them and they magically show up. FFXIV's implementation is a little clunkier, but it's very much there and it's great too.

Their auction house is meshed together for crafter materials.

For what it's worth, I don't agree with piling onto another DCs PF and that the intended use case was for friends to be able to play together and such. However, now that isn't possible either, and to say it was a "privilege" is misunderstanding the fact that it was announced as a new feature of the game. So now it was part of the game, that they were selling. It was advertised. It allowed people to not have to wait to make their characters in order to be able to play with friends (because "wait til 3AM lol" is more effort than most people who dwell on these forums are willing to put in. Let's face it, we're a little more into this game than randy mcnewcharacter :/ )

Seems to me this is a pretty basic feature the top MMOs seem to have.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Reminder to Players.
It's a Privilege we are gladly using, when we travel.
(Since Server Meshing doesn't exist as a MMO Standard. Let alone adapted for a Decade Running MMO, based off of a "1.0")

We Aren't Entitled To Play with Specific Players who exist in other DCs. We aren't Entitled to Interact with Communities in other DCs.

The DC/Worlds/Homeworlds you exist in, is YOUR LOCATION AND COMMUNITY.

If you cannot exist and take/give benefit of it.

Why should you exist in it, and then leave.

The Devs had a plan, any other Unintended benefit you take, isn't Entitled or given to you.

You Took them.

Don't get yourself confused.

__________________________________________

You can be Unhappy, but you cannot demand to have a situation that wasn't intended. Or even Labeled as a Standard Feature.

All that you can do, is hope they resolve things.

Or actually settle in and build/improve your own community.

Which is in your Homeworld, which is able to interact with its sister worlds. Within Your DC.

You Chose your Location, Live In It.

We All Knew The Expectations, and this was obvious in its approach.

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A large number of people had to make their characters where they didn't want to, with the promise of world visit, data center travel, and home world transfers which were abruptly taken away without warning. I'm stuck on Dynamis but my home is Jenova. So, no. I didn't choose my location, I was forced here or simply don't play at all. Seems like an obvious choice to me.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Reminder to Players.
It's a Privilege we are gladly using, when we travel.
(Since Server Meshing doesn't exist as a MMO Standard. Let alone adapted for a Decade Running MMO, based off of a "1.0")

We Aren't Entitled To Play with Specific Players who exist in other DCs. We aren't Entitled to Interact with Communities in other DCs.

The DC/Worlds/Homeworlds you exist in, is YOUR LOCATION AND COMMUNITY.

If you cannot exist and take/give benefit of it.

Why should you exist in it, and then leave.

The Devs had a plan, any other Unintended benefit you take, isn't Entitled or given to you.

You Took them.

Don't get yourself confused.

__________________________________________

You can be Unhappy, but you cannot demand to have a situation that wasn't intended. Or even Labeled as a Standard Feature.

All that you can do, is hope they resolve things.

Or actually settle in and build/improve your own community.

Which is in your Homeworld, which is able to interact with its sister worlds. Within Your DC.

You Chose your Location, Live In It.

We All Knew The Expectations, and this was obvious in its approach.

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This would be reasonable if we hadn’t been living with DC travel for a couple of years now. The way people play the game has changed drastically because they are expecting the feature to continue to be functional. And when a feature doesn’t work, people are within their right to complain about it, especially since the game is a paid service.

Predictably, when DC travel came around I expanded my community of friends to be across DCs because it was made available to me for multiple years. I’m now facing the issue as the lone member of my static from a different DC of having to worry if I’m going to inconvenience others because of how DC travel is now. The sudden swap of the DC tra el system to what it is now one the first week of savage raids was a pretty big fumble.

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Originally Posted by e4aaron

This would be reasonable if we hadn’t been living with DC travel for a couple of years now. The way people play the game has changed drastically because they are expecting the feature to continue to be functional. And when a feature doesn’t work, people are within their right to complain about it, especially since the game is a paid service.

Predictably, when DC travel came around I expanded my community of friends to be across DCs because it was made available to me for multiple years. I’m now facing the issue as the lone member of my static from a different DC of having to worry if I’m going to inconvenience others because of how DC travel is now. The sudden swap of the DC tra el system to what it is now one the first week of savage raids was a pretty big fumble.

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Maybe the community should start spreading out. And stop acting like a 5k lbs fat guy stuck in bed who does nothing but make excuses as too why he cant lose weight. The restrictions were put in place cause the communtiy refuses to spread out and just piles on aether like flies on dog crap. If there was raid,rp and pvp communties on every dc like on ather and crystal we would not be seeing these restrictions

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I hate to break it to you but you are in the small number of people. The entire rest of the game's population that were playing on dead DCs are the majority. That is why this change happened, both scenarios are damaging but one is less damaging to the game overall than the other. Before this change Primal was totally dead, now there are regularly 60-100+ high end duties on PF. Seems like we'll be just fine without you, chief.

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Give me a break. Literally everyone I know is angry at this change. As someone on Dynamis I was far more content having the ability to travel to a server that isn't dead, and play with friends there then having to sit in an overall worse experience.

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Originally Posted by e4aaron

The sudden swap of the DC tra el system to what it is now one the first week of savage raids was a pretty big fumble.

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So, this was something I understood from both sides. While some people would've wanted a heads up that travel was going to be the way it was for sake of forming a new static, at the same time, I don't know what the proper answer is for Square Enix.

If they gave a heads up before DT, people would've flooded Aether and made congestion worse than it already was before they locked down all the worlds. Congestion status's only change on maintenance/patches so they wouldn't see an influx of home world transfer one day and then take down all the worlds /only/ to change congestion status to stop it.

If they told you it was coming after DT release but before savage, all of the same consequences would still happen.
1) All you would have is just a head start on finding a new static on your data center, but you couldn't home world transfer anywhere besides Dynamis because it was locked and
2) You don't know how bad the restriction is going to be for where you need to be specifically and what times you and your people interact. To pre-breakup the static or any community based off a possibility of inconvenience is also going to be 50/50.
3) Square probably doesn't even want that 50/50. They likely wanted you to at least attempt to play content with people from other data centers on Dynamis or OCE. That is what the Twitter account was spamming every day during the initial DT lockdown. They aren't incentivized on their end to tell you ahead of time.

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Originally Posted by DolphinsFan

having the ability to travel to a server that isn't dead.

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You mean travelling to a Data Center with content levels that should've never existed to begin with.

I just been waiting for it to open I wanna actually see my friends again and no play alone all the time

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Reminder to Players.
It's a Privilege we are gladly using, when we travel.
(Since Server Meshing doesn't exist as a MMO Standard. Let alone adapted for a Decade Running MMO, based off of a "1.0")

We Aren't Entitled To Play with Specific Players who exist in other DCs. We aren't Entitled to Interact with Communities in other DCs.

The DC/Worlds/Homeworlds you exist in, is YOUR LOCATION AND COMMUNITY.

If you cannot exist and take/give benefit of it.

Why should you exist in it, and then leave.

The Devs had a plan, any other Unintended benefit you take, isn't Entitled or given to you.

You Took them.

Don't get yourself confused.

__________________________________________

You can be Unhappy, but you cannot demand to have a situation that wasn't intended. Or even Labeled as a Standard Feature.

All that you can do, is hope they resolve things.

Or actually settle in and build/improve your own community.

Which is in your Homeworld, which is able to interact with its sister worlds. Within Your DC.

You Chose your Location, Live In It.

We All Knew The Expectations, and this was obvious in its approach.

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The problem with this is currently my situation: FC established in 2013 on Siren - Never needed help from folks outside the Server/Data Center - Married in RL with Wife joining us 2 years ago on Siren and a fluke finds her TRAPPED on Dynamis with no reprieve to return for 90 days or maybe never - One of the top crafters in our FC has just been told she might never be able to return and disenfranchising several members makes this current decision absolute horses**t chief. Before you lump everyone together, consider there are other situations that're not even closely related to the reason why people are piling into Aether... We have no intention of leaving Siren because years of hard work have given us a very good home - She transferred over under my guidance that we might be able to expand upon and open doors to members of the Guild that we've been involved with for nearly 18 years to only find out at the last minute that we could NOT take the FC - The House - and absolutely no ability to transfer the benefits of an already established FC on Siren - Hence why she and another officer are currently stuck on Dynamis.. They need to offer a way to return to your home server if the situation isn't to their liking, we are after all: The Paying Customer...

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Originally Posted by DolphinsFan

Give me a break. Literally everyone I know is angry at this change.

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Your echo chamber bubble of DC dogpilers are upset about the change. Wow, shocking.

If they are going to change anything, they should go back to what they did at the start of Dawntrail: Only open the doors to Dynamis and OCE so those datacenters can be populated and helped until they figure out how to make a better system. Keep the other DCs locked to travel to, but everyone can travel out to Dynamis or OCE if they like.

I pray they fix this with the hotfixes...

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

If they told you it was coming after DT release but before savage, all of the same consequences would still happen.
1) All you would have is just a head start on finding a new static on your data center, but you couldn't home world transfer anywhere besides Dynamis because it was locked and
2) You don't know how bad the restriction is going to be for where you need to be specifically and what times you and your people interact. To pre-breakup the static or any community based off a possibility of inconvenience is also going to be 50/50.
3) Square probably doesn't even want that 50/50. They likely wanted you to at least attempt to play content with people from other data centers on Dynamis or OCE. That is what the Twitter account was spamming every day during the initial DT lockdown. They aren't incentivized on their end to tell you ahead of time.

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I mean it’s reasonable they’d want to avoid people piling onto the server, but from what I understand world transfers were locked down anyways due to congestion, and ultimately we’re now facing the same issue of people flocking to one server and staying logged in to avoid travel times. The end result is still the same as if they had told us early or not, with the one difference being that people would have had the information to work with on what changes to expect.

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Originally Posted by Gember

If they are going to change anything, they should go back to what they did at the start of Dawntrail: Only open the doors to Dynamis and OCE so those datacenters can be populated and helped until they figure out how to make a better system. Keep the other DCs locked to travel to, but everyone can travel out to Dynamis or OCE if they like.

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This is what I honestly expected going into savage, but it is what it is now. But chances are if they had locked it to just Dynamis we may have run into congestion on Dynamis as well. Or maybe not, no real way to know.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Maybe the community should start spreading out. And stop acting like a 5k lbs fat guy stuck in bed who does nothing but make excuses as too why he cant lose weight. The restrictions were put in place cause the communtiy refuses to spread out and just piles on aether like flies on dog crap. If there was raid,rp and pvp communties on every dc like on ather and crystal we would not be seeing these restrictions

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Hey, take a chill pill. It’s easy to whine about community this and community that, but thing is that people each have their own things going on. The raiding on Primal isn’t any different than the raiding on Aether, and people will adjust over time. But for now, it sucks to have to deal with what feels like a poor and sudden implementation. People aren’t all upset just to be upset. Just some of them. (:

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Originally Posted by e4aaron

But chances are if they had locked it to just Dynamis we may have run into congestion on Dynamis as well. Or maybe not, no real way to know.

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And that was one thing they mentioned they didn't want. Even Dynamis now has a lower cap on travelers/visitors than it did when Dawntrail first launched because noone ever complained about not able to go to Dynamis back then and congestion then would've been worse than it is now because of MSQ rush and job leveling. I'm assuming they want Dynamis open, but not fully open.

Though I was talking to a friend on Malboro 2 days ago about Party Finder and their thoughts on things since they were running Savage before me and one thing we pretty much agreed on is that while this didn't have a definitive end date in terms of dc travel, it is something we thought would be temporary and not a permanent feature. Because 6 years from now, we'll have to add another data center potentially and start over again, but more importantly, even in the interviews, Yoshi P never stated that cross DC DF/PF was something that was being abandoned or is never going to happen or something they don't want. He only stated that it was near impossible and would take 3 years minimum of full resources which is too long to wait for a solution and a bad business decision. That isn't to say that if technology that would make it easier to create existed in future years that they wouldn't use it, that also isn't to say that it's not something they slowly work on in the background instead of committing hella resources to it (something that might take 6 years instead of 3 years). They could just do this as the immediate fix, work on things in the background for the next 3 years, and we get an update in 3-4.5 years from now on whether it looks more possible and or when it might release. Wouldn't be the first time the community asked for something as a solution to a problem or a highly desired feature that we had to wait 6+ years for.

My big point wasn't to cause problems but to open it up for people to express concerns regarding the DC travel system. why I do think this was a solution, I believe there could of been a better one. I am not sure what that is but limiting people from interacting with other data centers like this isn't it.

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Originally Posted by Rahye

My big point wasn't to cause problems but to open it up for people to express concerns regarding the DC travel system. why I do think this was a solution, I believe there could of been a better one. I am not sure what that is but limiting people from interacting with other data centers like this isn't it.

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This is the solution the other is the community spreading out and not dog piling. But the community refuses to spread out.

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Originally Posted by KazukoHimura

I pray they fix this with the hotfixes...

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Same. My Aether static had to replace a member at nearly the last second and our 8th member is from Dynamis. They have to come over to an Aether server the night before and then they've logged in during the day since they work from home and kept themselves logged in so they can be sure to make raid night. Our second night together last week they were on Aether but couldn't get logged into that server.

We could try to look into going to Dynamis but I've heard there are issues that way too and some of my friends have gotten stuck in limbo trying to go there. I believe it's because Seraph is getting congested. Plus most of us may not have time to deal with that between end of work and start of raid time.

And my friends in statics with players across various DCs are also having issues. SE is discouraging statics from being cross-DC with the current state of things.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Same. My Aether static had to replace a member at nearly the last second and our 8th member is from Dynamis. They have to come over to an Aether server the night before and then they've logged in during the day since they work from home and kept themselves logged in so they can be sure to make raid night. Our second night together last week they were on Aether but couldn't get logged into that server.

We could try to look into going to Dynamis but I've heard there are issues that way too and some of my friends have gotten stuck in limbo trying to go there. I believe it's because Seraph is getting congested. Plus most of us may not have time to deal with that between end of work and start of raid time.

And my friends in statics with players across various DCs are also having issues. SE is discouraging statics from being cross-DC with the current state of things.

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If you have to go to Dynamis, pick Rafflesia, Kraken, Golem, or Cuchu as those are the least populated Dynamis worlds. The other 4, especially Seraph are the OG's and more populated by default. They will spike to 30/40 up to 50 login queue and cause limbo ever so often. If you're going strictly for raid and already have 8 people, just transfer to OCE for free. OCE has like a third to half of the population of Dynamis before Dawntrail and they're all in a different time zone which means their population isn't in prime time hours like NA's is. It's never going to be congested, period.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

If you have to go to Dynamis, pick Rafflesia, Kraken, Golem, or Cuchu as those are the least populated Dynamis worlds. The other 4, especially Seraph are the OG's and more populated by default. They will spike to 30/40 up to 50 login queue and cause limbo ever so often. If you're going strictly for raid and already have 8 people, just transfer to OCE for free. OCE has like a third to half of the population of Dynamis before Dawntrail and they're all in a different time zone which means their population isn't in prime time hours like NA's is. It's never going to be congested, period.

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From my understanding about Seraph it's not trying to go to Seraph itself but that having even one congested world on the DC greatly reduces DC travel so Dynamis is experiencing some of the same issues that the other NA DCs are.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

From my understanding about Seraph it's not trying to go to Seraph itself but that having even one congested world on the DC greatly reduces DC travel so Dynamis is experiencing some of the same issues that the other NA DCs are.

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Yes and no. Seraph does affect the rest of Dynamis, but only Standard World classifications. There are none, so it functionally does nothing. The rest of Dynamis is classified as New instead of Standard like say Goblin.

I wanted to pay for a home world transfer and still I'm not allowed to play where I had planned to since before making my character. It's been 4 months. There's no reason I should be disallowed a fair opportunity to play where I want, as a paying customer. I shouldn't have to suffer because other people do [things]. I can't even visit people. There's no reason to play, no reason to pay.

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Originally Posted by Gember

If they are going to change anything, they should go back to what they did at the start of Dawntrail: Only open the doors to Dynamis and OCE so those datacenters can be populated and helped until they figure out how to make a better system. Keep the other DCs locked to travel to, but everyone can travel out to Dynamis or OCE if they like.

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I'd be okay with this. They just should have left the 7.0 restrictions in place until 7.1~7.2; or, until the population on Dynamis and OCE was balanced to the population of other data centers.

What they've done with lifting those restrictions made things worse.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Forcing people to spread out or even locking them down doesn't seem to work as planned though, given we not only have tons of people that refuse to free transfer to Dynamis despite all of the new housing (something a *lot* of people on Aether/Primal/Crystal have seemingly been complaining about for years about not having), but then you have someone like me on Maduin who found being forced to stay on Dynamis those few weeks to be so terrible I'm considering paying to go to a different data center, despite having a house myself even, because I don't want to experience this nonsense again of being trapped somewhere with iffy queue times because contrary to what Square-Enix wanted to believe, we were not in fact flooded with Travelers, and now we'll probably see even *less* as people scramble to get back to their preferred A/P/C destination because if they *have* be stuck somewhere, it sure as hell isn't Dynamis.

It might be a better course of long-term action to just finally update their server infrastructure so the Dynamis worlds could be added to Aether/Primal/Crystal instead (because now those three could handle the collective amount), and to finally do away with limited housing (because again, the servers could handle the indefinite instancing), because all of these "band-aid" solutions to move players around are starting to not stick anymore, including the ability to data center travel in the first place as certain worlds get their gates shuttered.

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Trust me, the second transfers re-opened on patch day, I let go of my house and never looked back, transfered from Dynamis to Crystal to finally be able to join my friends and never have to be scared of getting locked on that empty shell of a DC ever again, a house is nice, but if you dont have your friends, the game is terrible, and nah, they shouldnt have to go to a dead DC to see you, DC travel is a feature of the game, they decided to do a switcharoo on people, but it aint right.

The only advice I can give to people :

DO. NOT. MOVE. TO. DYNAMIS. The DC already died down since stuff is open back up, and will be a complete dead husk the first content drought there is, dont bother. Housing aint worth it if you got no friends to come see it.

Doing anything end-game that requires at least 8 people in a tight configuration is rough right now as well. It feels like being in Shadowbringers Tuesday or Bust cycle all over again. But I still feel like this was a bad idea giving bonuses for having exactly one unique job in each role, because it funnels a lot of people into jobs they may not like to play just to be able to find a group. The entire end game of FFXIV is mired in bad design decisions in regards to how people really want to play the game.

PF is like playing Tetris trying to find the right set of pieces to stick together so a full group gets built, but you keep failing because someone is playing a viper and another person is playing a viper, or someone is playing a sage and then someone else they want to do stuff with is playing dancer, and you got a dancer already...

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Forcing people to spread out or even locking them down doesn't seem to work as planned though, given we not only have tons of people that refuse to free transfer to Dynamis despite all of the new housing (something a *lot* of people on Aether/Primal/Crystal have seemingly been complaining about for years about not having), but then you have someone like me on Maduin who found being forced to stay on Dynamis those few weeks to be so terrible I'm considering paying to go to a different data center, despite having a house myself even, because I don't want to experience this nonsense again of being trapped somewhere with iffy queue times because contrary to what Square-Enix wanted to believe, we were not in fact flooded with Travelers, and now we'll probably see even *less* as people scramble to get back to their preferred A/P/C destination because if they *have* be stuck somewhere, it sure as hell isn't Dynamis.

It might be a better course of long-term action to just finally update their server infrastructure so the Dynamis worlds could be added to Aether/Primal/Crystal instead (because now those three could handle the collective amount), and to finally do away with limited housing (because again, the servers could handle the indefinite instancing), because all of these "band-aid" solutions to move players around are starting to not stick anymore, including the ability to data center travel in the first place as certain worlds get their gates shuttered.

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Only been a week took balming nearly 6 months to get a clue when they got locked down..

Shadow is getting removed now. Can we just remove the limitations for EU?