Beastmaster and feral souls... I hope they will give us pets.

So as most of you know we will get Beastmaster this expansion, but I am curious on how the class will work. Will we get our version of WoW's hunter or something else?

There are some thing that we know:

1. The AI for pets is not good, this is why they removed it.(see Summoner and Scholar).
2. Beastmaster can do group content with Blue Mage.
3. They introduced Feral Souls and we know from sidequests that they are based on Beastmasters.

So what do you guys think?:confused: Will we get a Beastmaster as we know it or some kind non pet Beastmaster?

I'm assuming the Beast Souls they made a point to make a whole story about in both the MSQ and the raid series is what we will get.

The only other aspect I could see being a hint is Erenville and his segments on understanding beasts, but I'm not sure if they will put a lot of effort into creating a large number of pets as opposed to more basic skill sets with a beast theme.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I'm assuming the Beast Souls they made a point to make a whole story about in both the MSQ and the raid series is what we will get.

The only other aspect I could see being a hint is Erenville and his segments on understanding beasts, but I'm not sure if they will put a lot of effort into creating a large number of pets as opposed to more basic skill sets with a beast theme.

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The antagonist of the VPR quests is also a beast tamer, but she ends up getting killed as soon as she gets something from Tural. My only real hope for the inevitable feral soul angle is that there'll be some mutations like Hephaistos or the Arcadion bosses, but I'm not optimistic.

It might get the summoner treatment, where it's just a fancy animation skill each beast you collect. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at this point.

But anyway, it's a limited job so it's doa unless they revamp the concept.

I didn’t even think of that. They might introduce beastmaster just to not have them use actual pets. That’d be actually hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

2. Beastmaster can do group content with Blue Mage.

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Technically, so can every job.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I didn’t even think of that. They might introduce Beastmaster just to not have them use actual pets. That’d be actually hilarious.

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If they don't include actual pets, then it's DOA, like he said. Would just be a palette swapped BLU and would serve no purpose but to pull Dev time from CBU3 from BLU and other classes for no real gain. Let's hope they aren't that stupid. It's a limited class, so it's likely DOA to begin with unless they really nail it. But the development of class design and delivery of mechanics in balance we have seen in DT would suggest to me that Beastmaster is going to flop harder than Wuk Lamat.

I say this sadly, as I was looking forward to BM alot until I saw Arcadion.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The antagonist of the VPR quests is also a beast tamer, but she ends up getting killed as soon as she gets something from Tural. My only real hope for the inevitable feral soul angle is that there'll be some mutations like Hephaistos or the Arcadion bosses, but I'm not optimistic.

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Good catch, already completely forgot about her.

I really hope it isn't feral souls, but every ounce of me expects it to be--which in theory is just Blue Mage the sequel. I don't have a lot of things I really want out of Dawntrail but the hope of a (even limited) pet class is one of them.

It had better be pet management and I really hope Lyon and Pagaga will be involved. I'd dare them make Bozja a prerequisite for it

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Originally Posted by Teno

It might get the summoner treatment, where it's just a fancy animation skill each beast you collect.

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This is pretty much what I'd expect.

I'd be surprised if it's a conventional pet class tbh (like Beastmaster from FFXI or something).

If you think about what's going to be easiest to develop, it's feral souls. I would like to hope they use a limited job to bring back pet actions. But I don't think I want to be disappointed, so I'm just gonna assume it's feral souls.

i was thinking it was going to be feral souls as well once they started really showing them off. i'll be pretty disappointed as i was thinking it'd be like along the lines of beastmaster from WoW. i'm sure a lot of other people would think that as well.

i'd prefer if they were originally intending to do the feral souls concept that they just called it some sort of other new job idk. it most likely is that since that is the easiest thing to do.

i'm really tired of knowing what they will do just based on what is easiest. pretty disheartening.

Why is everyone assuming feral souls – a mechanism that relies on a device from another shard that isn't even available until late in the MSQ?

It would be horrible writing if we do
they literally make a point that using these beast souls is a bad thing in the raid series. our character is fighting to end it
If we go and use them as a beast master that would be really stupid

We have had access to other countries jobs from the start. We know from sidequest that feral souls were based on beast masters from another shard. Does this mean that we will get Feral Souls like what we have right now❓ maybe.

Personally I don't think we will get pets, I hope that I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

We have had access to other countries jobs from the start.

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Countries that can be naturally travelled to at the beginning of the story, yes. Alternate realities not accessed or accessible until very late in the story, no.

As much as I loved BST in FFXI, I don't think they'll be doing that here. With the whole feral souls thing been featured not only in the DT MSQ but also an integral part to the new Raids, I can see the devs going down that route.

It'll basically be Blue Mage but with different animations, different weapon and saying it's an ability rather than a spell.

As for the whole "It comes from a shard" - they'll probably make it start at level 90 and require you to go to Alexandria to unlock it.

I really hope I'm wrong and it does turn out to be a proper BST (like FFXI and other games) with a newly designed pet AI system the devs want to try out to use on other jobs in the future job rework, but then again I though Island Sanctuary (when announced) may be the precursor to instanced housing . . .

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Why is everyone assuming feral souls – a mechanism that relies on a device from another shard that isn't even available until late in the MSQ?

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Not to mention that, in practice, this would mean either the devs have to design specific forms to coincide with each feral soul we collect -- or more disappointingly, the forms would be so generic as to be practically meaningless. The latter sounds more likely in this scenario, given the game's track record. And either way, this would make it nothing more than a physical combatant version of BLU. Which isn't without its appeal, don't get me wrong, but it's not exactly interesting lol.

I'm much more interested in seeing a more traditional approach, especially because it barely exists in the game now where it once did. I don't think it's impossible that the devs have a better grasp on how to at least improve upon the pet system within the game's constraints at this point.

They seem to be hammering hard that Alexandria's commodification, and consumption of souls is bad so I'm certain BST is gonna be more like the beast masters we've encountered in Bozja. Willing to bet it's gonna be like mounted combat, and each creature you can tame has their own rotational gimmicks, and there will be moments where you can fight along side your creature -- just like Lyon.

Beast master and Morpher should be two different distinct jobs. Let's not have another case of Ranger/Bard being merged into one job out of nowhere.

If this isn't a normal, proper pet class, I'll skip it.

I certainly hope the beastmaster fantasy is closer to Bozja and Lyon, that its from ala mhigo as we know they practice it there.

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Originally Posted by Casti_EL

As much as I loved BST in FFXI, I don't think they'll be doing that here. With the whole feral souls thing been featured not only in the DT MSQ but also an integral part to the new Raids, I can see the devs going down that route.

It'll basically be Blue Mage but with different animations, different weapon and saying it's an ability rather than a spell.

As for the whole "It comes from a shard" - they'll probably make it start at level 90 and require you to go to Alexandria to unlock it.

I really hope I'm wrong and it does turn out to be a proper BST (like FFXI and other games) with a newly designed pet AI system the devs want to try out to use on other jobs in the future job rework, but then again I though Island Sanctuary (when announced) may be the precursor to instanced housing . . .

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If you did the raid story you'll know the wol considers the beast souls a evil thing to be using, if we turn around and use them as a beast master, that'll be character assassination and turn them into hypocrites

Our character has been made to be clearly against using souls as referenced by the Arcadion raid story.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Our character has been made to be clearly against using souls as referenced by the Arcadion raid story.

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Yeah the WOL seems incredibly opposed to Alexandria’s soul tech even going so far as to only agree to even participate with the victory condition of releasing accumulated souls and then the post M4 story swapping to the WOL forcibly shutting down the Arcadion’s best soul usage by becoming grand champion and releasing every soul the arcadion has

The game has never made a class choice for something the WOL canonically hates an option so I seriously doubt they will start now

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yeah the WOL seems incredibly opposed to Alexandria’s soul tech even going so far as to only agree to even participate with the victory condition of releasing accumulated souls and then the post M4 story swapping to the WOL forcibly shutting down the Arcadion’s best soul usage by becoming grand champion and releasing every soul the arcadion has

The game has never made a class choice for something the WOL canonically hates an option so I seriously doubt they will start now

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I also like to think they know the backlash they'd get if *BEASTMASTER* wasn't a ff11 beast master.

I promise you square nobody cares if the pets are janky as long as they are PETS

They have a few options for what they can do with the job, like bringing over FF11's Beastmaster as best as they can for one example, as well as what NPC or NPC's they can use for said job quests, like a certain old man and/or lalafell for example.

The only thing they really cannot do for Beastmaster though is go the route of feral souls. It's been pretty much screamed at us with the MSQ / Raid story that using souls is wrong, that excessive use of feral souls is extremely bad from what they can do to your body and soul, and how our character is pretty much pushed with the mindset of "Using souls is wrong. I will never use souls, and you should actually just free them all." It'd be a bit hypocritical for the devs to suddenly decide to do a 180 with Beastmaster and go "Well ACTUALLY since you're the WoL, with all your strength and experience, the excessive use of feral souls won't affect you at all, so you can use these feral souls freely with absolutely no drawbacks or restraint!" and then have our character agree to it.

As much as i am hoping for an old style FFXI tyype Beastmaster, my old ffxi main, i have zero trust in the SE team to make this possable