New Blacklist Update Problem

Hi there! this is my first time posting in forum so im sorry if this is the wrong place.

I am doing Arcadion Savage in PF. Recently, i keep joining into parties with players that I have blacklisted. This is a very big concern for me because I blacklisted them for a reason (toxicity, weirdos, general uncomfortable, etc.). I now feel very unsafe to raid in party finder due to the fact that I might join into parties with blacklisted players again.

In the past I remember the system prevented me from joining parties with blacklisted players and vice versa. Frankly I prefer the old system since it's a one and done, no more interaction with blacklisted players.

Is there anyway for me to make it possible for the system to block me from joining party with blacklisted players? If not then I hope this post will bring this problem to light.

I agree, they treat blacklisted players like if the chat was the only problem, but oftentimes is their whole behaivour during raids... sometimes they dont need to even write, so I hope this is adressed

Read the chat ? if i join a PF group and my chat tell me hay theres is someone on your blacklist then i know exactly what i will do leave the party

what actually could be adressed that players asked for a long time is to not match blacklisted players in Duty Finder

That's the thing tho, I don't want to join a party just to realize that there's someone I blacklisted there. I don't want to be in the same pt with the blacklisted, period, and would prefer if the system block me from joining it in the first place. It is scary to join a party and see your harasser there. I don't even want to see them again in the first place.
I'm also looking forward to not having blacklisted players in my duty finder, but it is also as important for me to not see them in party finder as well.

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Originally Posted by Io210

That's the thing tho, I don't want to join a party just to realize that there's someone I blacklisted there. I don't want to be in the same pt with the blacklisted, period, and would prefer if the system block me from joining it in the first place. It is scary to join a party and see your harasser there. I don't even want to see them again in the first place.
I'm also looking forward to not having blacklisted players in my duty finder, but it is also as important for me to not see them in party finder as well.

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dont get me wrong i totally agree with this. just wanted to say that leaving the party is the only thing you can do.
But blacklist is a hard topic in 14. The old list was more useless then helpfull maybe besides of PF. I dont get it how a Blacklist system will let you in grps with someone you clearly dont want to play with.
After all a normal blacklist system is not that hard every f2p pay to win trash game do it better with not letting you close to a person like that. sry If i raised a false impression with my post.

They won't allow blacklisted players to not join random queues because of PVP most likely
otherwise it'd be very easily abuseable
"Just don't include pvp"
spaghetti code etc

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Originally Posted by Dante131

dont get me wrong i totally agree with this. just wanted to say that leaving the party is the only thing you can do.
But blacklist is a hard topic in 14. The old list was more useless then helpfull maybe besides of PF. I dont get it how a Blacklist system will let you in grps with someone you clearly dont want to play with.
After all a normal blacklist system is not that hard every f2p pay to win trash game do it better with not letting you close to a person like that. sry If i raised a false impression with my post.

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Yeah I’m just really angry on how two times now I join a pf just to see a blacklisted person, and one time a blacklisted person join the party. I leave the pt immediately, but it still upset me on how I even run into them in the first place.
Maybe I remember it wrong but I think the system used to block you from joining a pf with blacklisted? I know that one is easily abused but I prefer that so much more than what we have currently.
I hate how despite the popularity 14 really have a poor handling on blacklisting

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

They won't allow blacklisted players to not join random queues because of PVP most likely
otherwise it'd be very easily abuseable
"Just don't include pvp"
spaghetti code etc

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i hate this excuse ... i hear this for years now and i am so done with it. Its not an indie game...letting people suffer instead of fixing some code is just a sign of i dont give a you know what ( i see you forum team not using the d word again )
i would be completly fine of not getting 2 new classes or a new whatever DT was for an expansion if they finally get rid of this...I am working as a dev in a big company aswell and we have some spaghetti code and well we fix it dont see why it wouldnt be possible.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

i hate this excuse ... i hear this for years now and i am so done with it. Its not an indie game...letting people suffer instead of fixing some code is just a sign of i dont give a you know what ( i see you forum team not using the d word again )
i would be completly fine of not getting 2 new classes or a new whatever DT was for an expansion if they finally get rid of this...I am working as a dev in a big company aswell and we have some spaghetti code and well we fix it dont see why it wouldnt be possible.

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I hate it too, believe me but they won't stop using it lmao
i'd give up 2 new jobs to have the engine completely overhauled so we can get a actual glamour collection tab and other qol features

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I hate it too, believe me but they won't stop using it lmao
i'd give up 2 new jobs to have the engine completely overhauled so we can get a actual glamour collection tab and other qol features

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After the stinker that was DT, and the fact the game is really being held back by its code, it's time for another moon to fall so we can get A Realm Re-Reborn to fix all this shit.

From a a developer perspective, this is a lot more complicated than I think people are considering. Looking at this purely from an objective standpoint, the amount of resources that would go into something like this is probably not worth the investment. Considering they specifically have options for temporarily allowing you to see the person and chat in instanced content means they've thought about this and have arrived at a solution they are currently satisfied with.

Having said that, I think there is more they can do, and I believe they've mentioned there is more to do in the future with friends list and what not, so I don't think they are done with this.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

From a a developer perspective, this is a lot more complicated than I think people are considering. Looking at this purely from an objective standpoint, the amount of resources that would go into something like this is probably not worth the investment. Considering they specifically have options for temporarily allowing you to see the person and chat in instanced content means they've thought about this and have arrived at a solution they are currently satisfied with.

Having said that, I think there is more they can do, and I believe they've mentioned there is more to do in the future with friends list and what not, so I don't think they are done with this.

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well since i have a dev perspective i can tell you the following. every serious Company have a test eviroment where they can play with things and test it. so if you test there new code or even change of code it is not that big of a deal once it work there it will mostly work on live. so instead of using this excuse they could actually try to change it. i dont even want much just some qol which are standards since 2012.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

well since i have a dev perspective i can tell you the following. every serious Company have a test eviroment where they can play with things and test it. so if you test there new code or even change of code it is not that big of a deal once it work there it will mostly work on live. so instead of using this excuse they could actually try to change it. i dont even want much just some qol which are standards since 2012.

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That is not what I said at all. I did not say it couldn't be done. I said the amount of resources to make this happen would not be worth the investment. You speak of every serious company, yet I'm pretty sure the biggest MMO has a test environment and still completely housed their pre-patch event that has taken several days to fix.

Make your own PF, then you won't deal with blacklisted players. If you blacklisted such a high amount, either you blacklist for petty reasons or don't cycle people out every major patch.

If it were me, you already can't see their chat on any of the characters they play on, let alone their name in the PF. Deal with it to learn/clear and move on.

This would be mostly solved if people were allowed to write their grievances without getting banned. Why this is a thing when JP has a community blacklist that is very public is beyond me.

The only game I had a blacklist issue was League of Legends, and they did the same thing. You could block/report someone and then their matchmaking would put you on the same team again. Hated it.

I'm assuming it may create too many issues to deal with everyone's individual block lists for public matchmaking.

Either make your own pf -blacklisted people can’t join- or leave. When DT came out, I deleted my blacklist as people can change, have a bad day, get better and mature and I also had a bunch of venue advertisers for whom the mute list is more appropriate. I like that we can now put comments.

The blacklist system is really weird, they allow you to block and make people invisible but you're still able to queue in with them, but i get that they wouldn't be able to just make it so that person couldn't join pf's you're in though, because then that's basically alienating that person from 6 other people they could be good with, but i wouldn't know a solution for it either

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Originally Posted by Menriq

That is not what I said at all. I did not say it couldn't be done. I said the amount of resources to make this happen would not be worth the investment. You speak of every serious company, yet I'm pretty sure the biggest MMO has a test environment and still completely housed their pre-patch event that has taken several days to fix.

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sorry if i got something wrong, english is not my native. I dont rly see the point of the " biggest MMO " Please elaborate it. If you mean the WoW pre patch which launched this week, i had not a single issue with it. Like unkillable raids or various issues but this is not the topic here. All i was talking about is just a standard which i kinda dont see in 14 anymore. besides blacklist was always weird in this game.

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Originally Posted by Io210

i keep joining into parties with players that I have blacklisted.

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The solution to this is to setup your own PF. People cannot join your PF if you blacklisted them. Alternatively, you can leave the party.

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In the past I remember the system prevented me from joining parties with blacklisted players and vice versa.

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It prevented you joining a party if you had blacklisted the leader or they had blacklisted you. This should still be the case.

What you can also do is just avoid party descriptions that will attract impatient people (1 wipe and kick type language) or optimization parties that will clearly be upset if you make a mistake. If you avoid parties like this and just join ones with chill language it's generally fine.

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Originally Posted by Io210

In the past I remember the system prevented me from joining parties with blacklisted players and vice versa.

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Did it? I definitely do not remember this ever being a thing. Wasn't it always people you blacklisted could still join a party you're in? Otherwise people would be blacklisting everyone they think are unskilled for raids.

I agree. Having someone blacklisted should prevent being placed in a group with them via the queue. I'd wager that code to employ that could be written in less than a day.

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Originally Posted by Lazariah

Did it? I definitely do not remember this ever being a thing. Wasn't it always people you blacklisted could still join a party you're in? Otherwise people would be blacklisting everyone they think are unskilled for raids.

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i am pretty sure this is already happening but i actually cant see the problem in that aswell. I blacklisted many people who join Farm grps and then playing floor tank before something rly dangerous happens. Example someone die at Valigamanda or whatever this thing is spelled, and i dont know why its mostly picto but dies caus of not stacking at fire phase or even before fire phase. its okay if you need learning but not in a Farm grp same for savages. So yeah if you dont want this players have in your grps why shouldnt you be allowed to blacklist them or did i missunderstood your point ?

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Originally Posted by Dante131

i am pretty sure this is already happening but i actually cant see the problem in that aswell. I blacklisted many people who join Farm grps and then playing floor tank before something rly dangerous happens. Example someone die at Valigamanda or whatever this thing is spelled, and i dont know why its mostly picto but dies caus of not stacking at fire phase or even before fire phase. its okay if you need learning but not in a Farm grp same for savages. So yeah if you dont want this players have in your grps why shouldnt you be allowed to blacklist them or did i missunderstood your point ?

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You did miss my point. My point was if you were able to never have any blacklisted person in a party you were in (not leading) we would see a LOT more people in the forum's complaining they can't find a group because they've been blacklisted by a lot of people (becuase people would use blacklist to get rid of players they don't find up to their skill level). So it's never worked like that, as OP assumed.

My comment had nothing to do as to whether it should be like that or not.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I hate it too, believe me but they won't stop using it lmao
i'd give up 2 new jobs to have the engine completely overhauled so we can get a actual glamour collection tab and other qol features

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Except alot, probably even majority of the cry baby forums, are not willing to sacrifice anything for the time the dev team would need to overhaul the game entirely. This game needs more work than even 1 expansion timeframe can accomplish for the next one. Graphics update has already proven this concept.

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Originally Posted by Enjuden

If you blacklisted such a high amount, either you blacklist for petty reasons or don't cycle people out every major patch.

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This is usually the problem - a lot of MMO players actually do use the block list as a solution for relatively small slights e.g. folks that happen to chat loquaciously but otherwise benignly, advertise (even politely) their FC/guild in public locations, etc.

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Why this is a thing when JP has a community blacklist that is very public is beyond me.

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That blacklist is posted to a 4chan-esque website - i.e., it is anonymous, to the point that you'd need police forensics to track down the poster, and let's face it, it's not the kind of post that would concern police. We're not talking threats here, we're talking "Joe did something annoying in a video game so you may not want to group with Joe" (even if it is combined with a very unified culture that gives it a lot more power than it would in the West). And they're not even naming Joe, just his ingame character.

If that's harassment (although most online social venues would probably consider it so in 2024, which I assume is a reason why anonymous imageboards are used), then you probably couldn't say anything negative about a person anywhere without it counting as harassment (but that's another topic).

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I'm assuming it may create too many issues to deal with everyone's individual block lists for public matchmaking.

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This. The dilemma is whether you respect the personal comfort of two people enough to make the other n-2 people have to wait (without explanation) longer in queue, and it's even worse in an MMORPG (where instead of just "let's match players" like League, we have "let's match players, also they have to meet role criteria, gear criteria, instance unlocks etc").

I'm actually just about convinced at this point for instance that it's why LFR in WoW has such table flippingly long queue times (as WoW does elect to respect ignore lists when matching), and I don't even want to think about Alliance Raid or Frontline queues if it were done here.

SE's choice is likely the least evil.