So what is this about content becoming harder with the Savage cleared in 9 hours

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Edit: Am now halfway through M4S after 6 hours with my midcore static that's only aiming for a week 2 clear. Where is the difficulty lol?

Hi Titanman, going for the low effort bait again?

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Hi Titanman, going for the low effort bait again?

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Citizen, he trolls, but he isn't wrong. Something tells me Square neglected to perform sufficient playtesting for this set of savage raids. That is a very fast clear time.





Spirits be with you.

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Honestly, the game could make your PC breathe fire on your balls while you prog, people would still speedrun new content within the day. Pretty sure it happens in most modern games like this.

I'm more concerned about people clearing high level content without healers...

So, did you clear under 9 hours, or you're just concerntrolling? oh wait its a titanwoman thread, nvm

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Citizen, he trolls, but he isn't wrong. Something tells me Square neglected to perform sufficient playtesting for this set of savage raids. That is a very fast clear time.

Spirits be with you.

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Judging by the patch notes, they didn't play test this expansion. But let's be real, the game's been going in that direction for a while.

Just to put it in perspective for me, what's the normal cleartime for a savage on day 1?
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Well they didn't say it would be harder, just "more exciting" and faster-paced and have more original mechanics again.

First tier is usually easier because from their perspective, an expansion gets lots of new players who need to adjust to new rotations and battle changes. Over the course of the expansion they become content to make it gradually harder. This is just what I've seen them say repeatedly over the years.

Its the first Tier, so ofc its cleared fast + theres is not really a Puzzlemechanic or anything which takes time, the Tier is incredible fun and finally the hitboxes are smaller and there are plenty moments where you actually have to fight for your uptime.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Just to put it in perspective for me, what's the normal cleartime for a savage on day 1?
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So this is a hot take but I generally find that Savage is the difficulty level where the devs play it the most safe, and we're in expansion 3 of the almost every job playing the exact same, I'm not surpirsed by how fast it got cleared.

were people even getting close to enrages? they did do the buff jobs to reaper picto-ish levels thing again and i doubt they playtested for that kinda scuffed dps.

The fact that the raids were already completed after 9 hours is fast, I find it rather impressive.
Besides, that doesn't mean that you or I will clear it that quickly with other groups.
As long as the difficulty is appropriate for Savage and we all have fun with it, I'm fine with it.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

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That hasn't been the case for a first/second tier raid since, I dunno, Heavensward? I'm sure there may be an exception or two somewhere, but <20 hours has been the norm for most of the game's existence.

Just because the highly skilled and hardcore players who probably had a lot of time practicing and coordinating can do it in less than a day. Doesn't mean the that the average player can do too.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

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LOL THAT's a BLATANT b/s lie...~12 hours.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

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Some put out a graph somewhere. The first wing tends to be done in about 13 hours. 2nd and 3rd 30ish

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Originally Posted by Plumerian_Ariadust

Just because the highly skilled and hardcore players who probably had a lot of time practicing and coordinating can do it in less than a day. Doesn't mean the that the average player can do too.

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Also the fights aren't designed with grinding gear from the same savage in mind. Unlike a certain other game.

I'll complain about savage difficulty if my own clear times end up being considerably faster then usual.
Other people's clear times have no impact on my personal experience.

I'm taking my time, but I've been seeing friends already at M4S and it hasn't even been more than a day.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

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didn't the race start at 6 and finish at about 2? I mean assuming they got in ASAP and ran and wrapped up at 2:15 isn't that actually 8 hours? so like a single full day shift?

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Originally Posted by Volgia

I'm taking my time, but I've been seeing friends already at M4S and it hasn't even been more than a day.

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Dude on my JPN static we were talking about how laid back this tier was; and to be fair the Wicked Thunder p2 is fuuuun.

I feel like we go through this conversation every tier. Some experienced raiders go out of their way to bruteforce the new content, basically pissjugging for 14 hours straight and clear it in a small amount of time because they're trying for worldfirst, and then people on the forums who haven't even stepped inside yet complain that this means it's too easy.

With the slight spike in difficulty in normal content that caused such an uproar, I expected the first tier to be tuned slightly above Asphodelos, Eden's gate or Deltascape

I'm genuinely surprised

Because someone mentioned it
Here are some clear times for comparisons.
Abyssos (P8S) Was cleared in a single day.
Asphedelos (P4S) was cleared in 14 hours
Eden's Promise Eternity was cleared in a single day.
Eden's Verse was cleared in a single day.
Eden's Gate was cleared in 14 hours
Alphascape(12.0S) was cleared after a single day.
Sigmascape (8.0S) was 17 hours.
DeltaScape (4.0S) was 16 hours with a noteable 13 minute tier 1 clear.

Noteworthy mention - Epic Alexander was only 3 days. DSR was 6 days. TOP was 7 days (3rd party tool clear - so not officially recognized), UWU was 5 days.

Source - World Progression Final Fantasy Fandom

Also note that 6.4 QoL change of Cooldowns resetting on a wipe would reduce downtime between pulls.

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Originally Posted by NoOneofConsequence

Because someone mentioned it
Here are some clear times for comparisons.
Abyssos (P8S) Was cleared in a single day.
Asphedelos (P4S) was cleared in 14 hours
Eden's Promise Eternity was cleared in a single day.
Eden's Verse was cleared in a single day.
Eden's Gate was cleared in 14 hours
Alphascape(12.0S) was cleared after a single day.
Sigmascape (8.0S) was 17 hours.
DeltaScape (4.0S) was 16 hours with a noteable 13 minute tier 1 clear.

Noteworthy mention - Epic Alexander was only 3 days. DSR was 6 days. TOP was 7 days (3rd party tool clear - so not officially recognized), UWU was 5 days.

Source - World Progression Final Fantasy Fandom

Also note that 6.4 QoL change of Cooldowns resetting on a wipe would reduce downtime between pulls.

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So basically, even faster than the average, after a promise that things would stop being so faceroll easy. I don't even have words for this joke of an expansion anymore.

I don't get how people complain about difficulty, I responded to a post about expert roulette dungeons saying they are easy as shit and that new crafter gear will help even more with making them unbearably easy. People laughed at me but even without crafted gear its a 13 minute run max lmao, the first savage tiers are all easy everytime but goddamn they didnt even try to make this one be any harder

Yeah let's make a nuanced and constructive conclusion on a whole game difficulty based on the 0.001% top-player speedrunners.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

Dude on my JPN static we were talking about how laid back this tier was; and to be fair the Wicked Thunder p2 is fuuuun.

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Yeah! I mean, it's prolly gonna take me a few weeks to get my clears, I'm fine with it.

On the other hand, people who are speed running / world first are probably optimized the hell out on how to get there, this game and the world race have become so popular. I wonder if Square will ramp it up on the second tier?

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Originally Posted by Volgia

Yeah! I mean, it's prolly gonna take me a few weeks to get my clears, I'm fine with it.

On the other hand, people who are speed running / world first are probably optimized the hell out on how to get there, this game and the world race have become so popular. I wonder if Square will ramp it up on the second tier?

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Yeah they usually do.

A few factors went into this being cleared so quickly:

1) Not a lot of hard 8 man body checks, I think m4s probably had the most
2) Less "gotcha" puzzle mechanics, most of them were straightforward solves
3) Viability of double caster. If you saw world race, a majority of them ran rdm/smn or picto/rdm to help zombie their way through pulls. This helps tie in with no 8 man body checks because you could just raise people over and over again.
4) and their biggest offender, undertuning HP values. PCT being absolutely busted forced them to buff other jobs before savage release and everyone just does way too much damage(except for phys range lmaooo)
5) Players(especially world racers) are just straight up better. DSR, abyssos and TOP made people play better.

SE should be faulted for undertuning HP values, even asphedelos 4th floor had dps checks(you could argue some jobs were just bad) but now it just feels like they didn't bother checking max output of everyone's damage and scaled it way down.

I'm still on the "wait and see" fence but I give them points for engaging floors, speed of mechanics and honestly, they're just fun, even if I'm progging at an alarming pace. And I'd take points away for HP undertuning and bad job balancing... and making me hurt my queen not once but twice.

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't care about these clear races. Do they have any impact on the game at all? Does clearing this savage tier in 9 hours actually mean anything?

Mainclass fisher....kinda sus

First-tier raids have been cleared the same day since Stormblood. Omega still holds the record for having its 1st fight cleared in under *15 minutes*.

Average players, hell, *good* players will still struggle to clear these fights, and they'll have access to guides.

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Originally Posted by Andryl

Yeah let's make a nuanced and constructive conclusion on a whole game difficulty based on the 0.001% top-player speedrunners.

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Fact 1. The Devs promised harder content.
Fact 2. The same skill level of player that cleared the previous content cleared this content in half or even a third of the time it took to clear previous raid tiers.

Conclusion: The game did not, in fact, get harder. And with equal skill level, got easier.

These are not stretches of logic, these are not assumptions. These are actual facts. It's not like these players suddenly got double or triple the skill level they already had.

Don't you have rmt to do? Or are you just here while your bots farm up mats? I saw a couple of yours this weekend. Clearly bitting away. What a sad existence.

How about we hear the opinions of those that actually cleared the content yesterday?

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Originally Posted by Isala

Fact 1. The Devs promised harder content.
Fact 2. The same skill level of player that cleared the previous content cleared this content in half or even a third of the time it took to clear previous raid tiers.

Conclusion: The game did not, in fact, get harder. And with equal skill level, got easier.

These are not stretches of logic, these are not assumptions. These are actual facts. It's not like these players suddenly got double or triple the skill level they already had.

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You're assuming that the players who cleared the last tier fast haven't improved since then.

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Originally Posted by Sacae

You're assuming that the players who cleared the last tier fast haven't improved since then.

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Are you telling me that they were literally double the skill level to do this fight in half the time? The classes in this game aren't complicated enough for that level of optimization, especially since they've barely changed since last expansion.

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Are you telling me that they were literally double the skill level to do this fight in half the time? The classes in this game aren't complicated enough for that level of optimization, especially since they've barely changed since last expansion.

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Where is the evidence it's taking half the time?

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Originally Posted by Skyclaw726

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't care about these clear races. Do they have any impact on the game at all? Does clearing this savage tier in 9 hours actually mean anything?

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Doubt it, because those people who clear all 4 fights on week is a tiny fraction of the people playing Savages. If the game tunes the encounters to cater directly to those people, it will suddenly become too much for the rest of that audience.