[Feedback] Give RDM Magicked Swordplay unlimited duration

Hi. Not scrolling through any more pages of forums to potentially find a thread on this that already exists because if I see one more Wuk Lamat death threat I'm gonna explode.

So here's the thing: Magicked Swordplay on Red Mage, while it was just buffed to a duration of 30s in 7.05, still kinda sucks compared to the Manafication of pre-Dawntrail. The strategy of rushing Manafication during downtime got shot in the foot for downtime mechanics longer than 15 (now 30) seconds, of which there are many in savage and ultimate content. I don't see why it can't just have an unlimited duration like Pictomancer's Subtractive Palette. The damage buff from Manafication can fall off—that was always the tradeoff for rushing it—but a 30s free gaugeless melee combo is, in my opinion, worse than a permanent +50/50 to gauge.

Take High Concept in P8S, for example. The optimal strategy there was to rush Manafication during downtime to gain an extra usage in the fight. However, in the time it takes for the boss to become targetable again, Magicked Swordplay would fall off, making the strategy of rushing it useless, while in Endwalker the gauge you got had no duration, making rushing Manafication at the very least an option instead of forcing you to either 1) waste the whole action 2) do math to exactly pinpoint when the optimal time to press the button is so Magicked Swordplay doesn't fall off (and without a fight timer in game to consistently do this it would extra suck).

I've posted hot takes here before, stupidly, but this I feel has no drawbacks. Manafication feels kind of bad compared to how it felt in Endwalker and I just want her back.

I somewhat agree that all of the "free use" buffs introduced in DT definitely feel "off" compared to the EW use case of just increasing gauge. A gauge increase has no timer, so why do these new free use buffs? At the very least the timer should be half the time of the ability's cooldown.

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Originally Posted by snombinary

Hi. Not scrolling through any more pages of forums to potentially find a thread on this that already exists because if I see one more Wuk Lamat death threat I\\'m gonna explode.

So here\\'s the thing: Magicked Swordplay on Red Mage, while it was just buffed to a duration of 30s in 7.05, still kinda sucks compared to the Manafication of pre-Dawntrail. The strategy of rushing Manafication during downtime got shot in the foot for downtime mechanics longer than 15 (now 30) seconds, of which there are many in savage and ultimate content. I don\\'t see why it can\\'t just have an unlimited duration like Pictomancer\\'s Subtractive Palette. The damage buff from Manafication can fall off—that was always the tradeoff for rushing it—but a 30s free gaugeless melee combo is, in my opinion, worse than a permanent +50/50 to gauge.

Take High Concept in P8S, for example. The optimal strategy there was to rush Manafication during downtime to gain an extra usage in the fight. However, in the time it takes for the boss to become targetable again, Magicked Swordplay would fall off, making the strategy of rushing it useless, while in Endwalker the gauge you got had no duration, making rushing Manafication at the very least an option instead of forcing you to either 1) waste the whole action 2) do math to exactly pinpoint when the optimal time to press the button is so Magicked Swordplay doesn\\'t fall off (and without a fight timer in game to consistently do this it would extra suck).

I\\'ve posted hot takes here before, stupidly, but this I feel has no drawbacks. Manafication feels kind of bad compared to how it felt in Endwalker and I just want her back.

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Redmage is dead anyway. 2 casters doing melee damage means the others won’t be wanted even with them having resses

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

Redmage is dead anyway. 2 casters doing melee damage means the others won’t be wanted even with them having resses

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how is this productive? the balance of the game has always tried (successfully or not) to make all jobs viable. I absolutely have the right to enjoy red mage's play style and prefer it over other jobs.

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Originally Posted by snombinary

how is this productive? the balance of the game has always tried (successfully or not) to make all jobs viable. I absolutely have the right to enjoy red mage's play style and prefer it over other jobs.

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The playerbase especially in high end only care about damage.

Hard has been kept out of even joining PFs for an entire tier. All because danger was so much better. That was 1 job.

You now have half a role doing substantially less damage than the others. They will be kept out of prog parties for that reason alone.

No point moaning about a dead job. This balancing dps around res utility is a flawed system and dps resses just need to be removed at this point.

Pct and blm will be the only casters wanted soon enough. Especially with the bad players who will blame not clearing on not being a meta comp….

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

Redmage is dead anyway. 2 casters doing melee damage means the others won’t be wanted even with them having resses

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This only matters for week 1 clears (which if you care about, fair enough)
any comps viable past that

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

This only matters for week 1 clears (which if you care about, fair enough)
any comps viable past that

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Tell that to bard players who were locked out of parties for the whole of Eden 5-8 cause it was so much worse.

This is a repeat it’s happening to redmage and smn now. You can’t have a role disparity be this high with half a role majorly outperforming the other half

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

The playerbase especially in high end only care about damage.

Hard has been kept out of even joining PFs for an entire tier. All because danger was so much better. That was 1 job.

You now have half a role doing substantially less damage than the others. They will be kept out of prog parties for that reason alone.

No point moaning about a dead job. This balancing dps around res utility is a flawed system and dps resses just need to be removed at this point.

Pct and blm will be the only casters wanted soon enough. Especially with the bad players who will blame not clearing on not being a meta comp….

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I don't see what's productive about calling a job dead. God forbid I want to have fun playing the job I enjoy the most and want it to be better.

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Originally Posted by snombinary

I don't see what's productive about calling a job dead. God forbid I want to have fun playing the job I enjoy the most and want it to be better.

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You’re moaning about the wrong thing.

Here’s a productive thing for you then to make it clear.

The balancing needs fixing BEFORE moaning about tiny little QoL things.

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

You’re moaning about the wrong thing.

Here’s a productive thing for you then to make it clear.

The balancing needs fixing BEFORE moaning about tiny little QoL things.

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I don't want to hear anything about things being "tiny" from someone who clearly doesn't even play the job. While I agree RDM needs balancing (the res tax is stupid and at the very least should not be so severe) that doesn't mean I can't desire other things to be improved, too. Both can be improved simultaneously.

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Originally Posted by snombinary

I don't want to hear anything about things being "tiny" from someone who clearly doesn't even play the job. While I agree RDM needs balancing (the res tax is stupid and at the very least should not be so severe) that doesn't mean I can't desire other things to be improved, too. Both can be improved simultaneously.

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lol I play the job and it is a tiny qol thing

Manafication isn’t bad. That’s just a you problem. You don’t wanna have to plan its use in downtime.

It’s the balancing that’s the problem2 puts and 3 savage tiers on rdm btw. Nice try at discrediting my knowledge in the job though.

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

lol I play the job and it is a tiny qol thing

Manafication isn’t bad. That’s just a you problem. You don’t wanna have to plan its use in downtime.

It’s the balancing that’s the problem2 puts and 3 savage tiers on rdm btw. Nice try at discrediting my knowledge in the job though.

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2 ults. Fkin auto correct

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Originally Posted by Lucyfurr1988

lol I play the job and it is a tiny qol thing

Manafication isn’t bad. That’s just a you problem. You don’t wanna have to plan its use in downtime.

It’s the balancing that’s the problem2 puts and 3 savage tiers on rdm btw. Nice try at discrediting my knowledge in the job though.

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I don't understand how "get a permanent 50/50 gauge" is equivalent to "30s of a free melee combo and if it falls off too bad" to you. It's because I DO want to plan its use in downtime that I'm making this suggestion. Would it make it *easier*? Yeah, but I don't think that's a bad thing. I have one and a half ults and three savage tiers under my belt on RDM and I think this change would bring it more in line with how Manafication was in Endwalker, which imo was superior. Obviously it's an opinion, but if you truly are a RDM main, I don't understand why you're so against the idea of this change. Yes, RDM needs balancing. Yes, the res tax is stupid. They can do both at the same time.