Arcadion headgear on hrothgar

The icon shows a hat. Put it on. Surprise, it's glasses! Thanks, I hate it so much! ♥ Please never do this again.

I've said this before, but if unpaid fans can mod the hats on these cursed creatures over the weekend powered by instant ramen and Red Bull, what is stopping the actual devs from doing the same? Why even bother with an alternative as bad as this? It's been 5 years. I am on the brink of an aneurysm.

Small indie company, please understand. They need to put their money into more crap cash grabs instead of making the only game that makes them money better.

It probably comes down to one of two things:

1. Hrothgar are such a tiny, insignificant minority of players that they simply do not care/it's at the very bottom of the priority list. If every Hrothgar player left at once it'd be an insignificant hit to the game's health.
2. The game's underlying systems are so messed up and saddled with dysfunctional legacy code that adding a slight mesh alteration of a different headpeice is some herculean feat of a project for their developers.

Either is inexcusable after FIVE YEARS of Hrothgar being introduced honestly. The community babies the developers way too much.

Viera showing solidarity here, I hope they don't see this as a "you can wear headgear now :)" thing...

Especially with that hood that amputates a good 2ft of ears...

I was a Hrothgar up until that free Fantasia because I couldn't stand it anymore. It's so bad how halfass it all is

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Originally Posted by Lumadurin

It probably comes down to one of two things:

1. Hrothgar are such a tiny, insignificant minority of players that they simply do not care/it's at the very bottom of the priority list. If every Hrothgar player left at once it'd be an insignificant hit to the game's health.
2. The game's underlying systems are so messed up and saddled with dysfunctional legacy code that adding a slight mesh alteration of a different headpeice is some herculean feat of a project for their developers.

Either is inexcusable after FIVE YEARS of Hrothgar being introduced honestly. The community babies the developers way too much.

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On the one hand, viera and male hrothgar aren't clipping through floors during old MSQ cutscenes. On the other hand, headgear compatibility was something that was supposed to come in waves over the course of Shadowbringers, which turned 5 earlier this month. Half a decade and they can't even be bothered to put ear holes in new headgear.

You seem to be under the misconception that the developers would be aware of there being several races in the game other than just your typical humans.

I fail to see what makes it difficult for female hroth to wear most headgear. One things that should be problematic are things that relies on the nose bridge.

Same goes for hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by SigmarrIrenesch

I've said this before, but if unpaid fans can mod the hats on these cursed creatures over the weekend powered by instant ramen and Red Bull, what is stopping the actual devs from doing the same?

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Modders aren't held to any sort of quality controls. It's easy to look at a mod and say "look how easy this is!", but it's not that simple. If a mod breaks with the next patch, or doesn't work on all OSs, or causes lag on certain hardware, or has any of the million issues a mod can have, the modders can just waive it away with a simple "run this at your own risk" warning. An official game feature can't let that happen. It has to work perfectly all the time every time, or it can't exists at all.

Now why exactly it's so hard for lions and bunnies wear hats, I have no idea. But if a fix was really that simple the devs would have long since done it themselves.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

Modders aren't held to any sort of quality controls. It's easy to look at a mod and say "look how easy this is!", but it's not that simple. If a mod breaks with the next patch, or doesn't work on all OSs, or causes lag on certain hardware, or has any of the million issues a mod can have, the modders can just waive it away with a simple "run this at your own risk" warning. An official game feature can't let that happen. It has to work perfectly all the time every time, or it can't exists at all.

Now why exactly it's so hard for lions and bunnies wear hats, I have no idea. But if a fix was really that simple the devs would have long since done it themselves.

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Even the 1.0 races with inhuman ears have been getting less and less gear that accommodates them, so the issue isn't limited to backporting the limited races' features.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

You seem to be under the misconception that the developers would be aware of there being several races in the game other than just your typical humans.

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Now, now, let's be fair here. They remember lalafells too.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

I was a Hrothgar up until that free Fantasia because I couldn't stand it anymore. It's so bad how halfass it all is

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Let's be honest. They aren't even half-assing it. This is quarter-ass at best.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Now, now, let's be fair here. They remember lalafells too.

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I would have thought that, but amazingly - lalafells ears started disappearing too

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Originally Posted by Lumadurin

It probably comes down to one of two things:

1. Hrothgar are such a tiny, insignificant minority of players that they simply do not care/it's at the very bottom of the priority list. If every Hrothgar player left at once it'd be an insignificant hit to the game's health.
2. The game's underlying systems are so messed up and saddled with dysfunctional legacy code that adding a slight mesh alteration of a different headpeice is some herculean feat of a project for their developers.

Either is inexcusable after FIVE YEARS of Hrothgar being introduced honestly. The community babies the developers way too much.

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Considering that, modders, hm, I mean, tos violators, have managed to do that, I think we can say that the second option is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

Modders aren't held to any sort of quality controls. It's easy to look at a mod and say "look how easy this is!", but it's not that simple. If a mod breaks with the next patch, or doesn't work on all OSs, or causes lag on certain hardware, or has any of the million issues a mod can have, the modders can just waive it away with a simple "run this at your own risk" warning. An official game feature can't let that happen. It has to work perfectly all the time every time, or it can't exists at all.

Now why exactly it's so hard for lions and bunnies wear hats, I have no idea. But if a fix was really that simple the devs would have long since done it themselves.

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At the end of the day, that person has done a hell of a lot more work than the dev team ever will.

Also. Work perfectly every time? The devs didn't even bother getting most body pieces to properly work on female Hrothgar, and there's been zero acknowledgement in their known issues posts that it mght be something they'll fix anytime soon.

I would just be really happy if they turned off ears/horns/etc. when you put on headgear. I literally don't care if a helmet has ear holes or friggen pointy bits where the ears are meant to be. If I don't like how it looks I can glam it to something else. But give ME the option.

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Originally Posted by CamuiKushi

I would just be really happy if they turned off ears/horns/etc. when you put on headgear. I literally don't care if a helmet has ear holes or friggen pointy bits where the ears are meant to be. If I don't like how it looks I can glam it to something else. But give ME the option.

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I sure wouldn't. I'm tired of SE removing the features that are the whole reasons why I chose my race...
It's invalidating to my first choice I made as a player and just looks bad when 2 ft of my character's silhouette or half of my character's spine get chopped off when I put up a hood or wear a certain shirt... If I wanted to play a hyur I'd've rolled one...

Tailoring an article of clothing to accommodate racial features is ideal, but clipping is fine imo since you can just assume there is a hole at the site of the clipping. (Much like how the horn or glasses headwear clips with hair. You just assume the individual hairs are going around the obstacle)
They should just put new hairs on pause until they can add the compressed racial hairs to viera and hrothgar that are 5 years overdue now... OR just let those of us who aren't wearing racial hairs actually use our compressed hair model with hats...

you have to understand that they have the worst fucking coders in recorded history with the most basic shitty engine ever developed.

but ya know. small indie company can't afford a good engine.

imagine if we get this game ported to a game with an actual physics engine. that'd be something.

Bumping this up because I'm bitter and spiteful little creature.

They are taking away our ears too.

#justiceforhrothandbunbun